Spiral Knights - Thats IT! IVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!

Thats IT! IVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!

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Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:13

Angerday

OK its time once and for all. TO end every excuse and lame reason everyone yells inside of LD. This is the part where the Anger in Angerday comes out and speaks his mind in the forums for once.

Lets start with AA or Auto-Aim.

- It doesnt make you any worse or any better with or without auto-aim. I know plenty of players who use it and who don't. Both can get the same damage, both can play as well as each other. So enough of this "AA SPAMER" "AA BOMBER" "AA GUNNER" "AA SWORDSMAN"- i don't even know how one does AA with a bomb, but I've heard it before. It's an in game thing anyone can use, doesn't mean anything if you do or don't use it. And that's only the first thing people need to stop saying.

Next is the big topic. Spamming. There is no such thing as spamming. Lets review each class and what i've seen people complain about spamming

-Swordsman: i, how, why, how does one spam with a sword. Depending on the sword it can only swing twice or swing 3 times. If you are swinging a sword, you are using the sword. it only has 2 functions. a charge attack or swinging. Now there is something in some knights's mind that the only thing that should be happening in LD is swords and swords only, and when they die to a gun or a bomb they yell spam. When someone uses a GF and a players dies from it too much they yell Spam. When someone only uses a hammer because its working for them, i hear "hammer spammer", the hammer is made to boost forward, it doesn't make it the most OP sword in game. yes there are some certain swords you should use in LD.BUT! You cant spam a sword! Period!

-Gunner: Now the main thing is Polaris. If i was playing a drinking game and had to drink every time i heard "Polaris spammer" id be out by the first round. YOU CANT SPAM GUNS!!!! If someone is using the GUN! THEY ARE USING THE GUN! GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!! If a team is using it and they POlaris wall you, that isn't spamming its a collecting group of people who happen to have the same gun and just made it GG. its called strategy, its called using the game mechanics in game to their advantage.

-Bombers: How......when i hear like i'm gonna say the same thing i've been saying in both the other classes. The bomber is bombing. THATS ALL HE CAN DO!!!!!! THERE IS NO SPAM!!!!!!!!

THERE IS NO SPAM! No such thing as spam! There is just any and everyone using weapons in the game with advantages just like everyone else, anyone who complains that they died to a weapon and calls it spam is just making excuses on how they died. I am sick of everyone thinking they are better then people because they do or don't use AA, sick of people calling everything spam when it's just the game that keep losing, and while we are on the subject let me go into category 3.

Damage: Just because you have done more damage in a game. Just means you found and killed more people then anyone else in game. doesnt mean you are the best player in the entire game. What people forget is that its not dmg that wind games, it is CAPS!!! You have to cap the bases in order to win the game. <-----BIGEST THING IN thE WORLD THAT PEOPLE FORGOT!!! Im sick of everyone and their mother making themselves hop onto a high horse because they think that Damage is the only thing that matters and if you didnt hit their damage then you are a bad player. its a good way to show your strength don't get me wrong. but for the love of the great snipe god in the sky please PLEASE GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!!

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:20

Psychodestroyer

...

Oi, give me my arguments back.

I need them for my english exam coming up.

You can borrow them after, but ask next time.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:24

Angerday

sorry, sometimes a sheer

sorry, sometimes a sheer burst of anger just emits through my body and some things just need to be said about the ever loathing LD community who just complain 24/7

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:25

Psychodestroyer

....My arguments.

Back. Now.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:49

Zaderules

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(gaming)

"Spamming, in the context of video games, refers to the repeated use of the same item or action."

It has nothing to do with being skill less or skillful, spam just means using the same thing over and over again. Now the way you perform doing the same attack over and over again is not related to the word Spam.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:56

Darkbrady

The bomber is bombing. I

The bomber is bombing. THATS ALL HE CAN DO!!!!!!

I exercise tactical "running away and hiding" while I bomb, too. Works.

@Zade:

I feel "spam" is iffy here. Now, I don't oppose "spam", but to question its definition asks more questions. I.e, which is spamming:

Shooting your alch and shield-cancelling to shoot a bit faster. You are, by your definition, spamming that alch...slowly.
Alch-switching, whereupon you shoot different alchs, but at a greater speed, effectively spamming the target with far more alch bullets.

Similarly, teethpicks who spam the first attacka nd shield cancel over and over and over is, imo, more spammy than people who actually just "spam" click and combo.

I feel this to be especially true as both actions were unintended by OOO and are technically exploits being used to spam attacks at a greater pace, where, in contrast, Polaris "spam" is firing the gun exactly as OOO intended and should have far less right for anyone to complain.

Mind you, this is out of pure interest, I could care less either way in LD.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:55

Lightyourfire

"AA BOMBER"

http://cdn.overclock.net/f/f5/f5ecab30_epic-jackie-chan-template.png

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 13:57

Darkbrady

I'm an AA bomber. I never

I'm an AA bomber.

I never miss.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:18

Zaderules

@ Darkbrady
According to the definition, spamming is using the same action. so using alchemers with shield or whatever is still doing the same action. So, it is spam. Same with shield canceling. You are doing the same action over and over again, so technically it is spam too.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:21

Bloodxorange

+1 to this entire post, i

+1 to this entire post, i love when people tell me i spam GF. Its a god damn sword, its what I use, using just 1 sword is really no different that people who use btb/ff + gf. Its preference.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 14:26

#10

Darkbrady

@Zade: Oh, my point wasnae

@Zade:

Oh, my point wasnae against you as much as the people who go "combo noob, stop spamming polaris" then proceed to alch-switch or shield-cancel the first attacks.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:27

#11

Sexios

@Anger

If you ever get angry just mail me with all the angry stuff you need to say to cool yourself down.

+1 to this thread

I will no longer say spammer or you're aa is just so sexy i will die! D:

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 15:53

#12

Vesperaldus

@Any LD player who blames

@Any LD player who blames their death on spam: Don't worry, Vanaduke blames it on the same thing.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:09

#13

Zaderules

@ Darkbrady

Oh no, I'm not being offended. I'm just trying to take the perspective into the dictionary's point of view. (Or in this case, Wikipedia) But, I'd say switching between polaris "spam" and shield-cancel attack "spam" isn't spam. Since those two things aren't the same action. But, those actions themselves is spam. So.... I'd say overall, they still spam even if they change methods of "spam".

Oh and also... I say Almirian Crusader use AA. 100% of the damn time >:l

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:27

#14

Ark-The-Monsta

All I see when people

All I see when people complain about "spam" is "OMG QUIT SPAMMING (insert name of weapon they got killed with here)" It saddens me that these people are too lazy and/or stupid to change their strategy.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:29

#15

Vescrit

Angerday is Angry

sorry, sometimes a sheer burst of anger just emits through my body and some things just need to be said about the ever loathing LD community who just complain 24/7.

*snerk*

Not making fun of you or anything, that just make me chuckle. Though LD is no longer the PvP I enjoy. :C

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:45

#16

Deltikon

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AA casualizes aiming on the game, specially with swords, leaving no real effort on trying to hit somebody. And sometimes, it even allows you to easily hit cloaked recons in seconds. Also >AA Bombing.

Constantly shooting Polaris and toothpick+shield canceling are clearly not spam. One thing is to give a weapon its use. The other is to repeatedly using it at the point of being obnoxious or even nearly impossible to counter.

Only thing I agree on is about the damage.

/thread.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:47

#17

Tuhui

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the fact is ld is not balanced. polaris is on a whole different level of unbalanced. aa, i feel, should not be anywhere near a pvp, it leads to people killing when they should not because they are using a far reaching weapon. i just don't really care anymore though, the chance of something changing is...

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:49

#18

Darkbrady

Constantly shooting Polaris

Allow me to pick apart that statement and show you what Zade and I were discussing:

"the other is to use it at the point of being obnoxious or impossible to counter".
Alch-switching, teethpick shield-cancelling, sword-switching...
All of these are "spammed" at speeds far greater than the intention of the developers. Polaris spam may be spam, but it's at least within the constraints of the game. Shield-cancelling and weapon-switching is doing it EVEN FASTER than intended. That'd be like polaris-switching; imagine the rage!

Yet, people are cool w/ strikers who teethpick-cancel fifty squillion times until you die.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:56

#19

Spold

+9000

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 16:58

#20

Deltikon

Darkbrady

Polaris almost equals to demoman's stickies on TF2. It takes no real skill to use, and are incredibly annoying. Sure they can be countered, but the point is that it's far too powerful for such low skill ceiling.

And yes, that's what pisses me off the most. A bloody max speed toothpick can beat a STRIKER SWORD in SPEED. I nearly broke the keyboard after realizing that even the fastest normal sword in the game couldn't counter a bloody p2w toothpick.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:13

#21

Trapzter

AA in LD

... isn´t a big deal imo. ever tried to kill sb with FF just going straight forward with AA??? :D
it works perfectly fine when you got max asi max dmg with 2 heart trinkets, but not against decent skilled players and not against better gear. even against kinda new players you´ll take lots of dmg because your movement is too predictable.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:25

#22

Darkbrady

p2w toothpick. How's it p2w?

p2w toothpick.

How's it p2w?

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:31

#23

Deltikon

Darkbrady

By p2w, I meant as spending mad loads of money to get an advantage over less wealthy players.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 17:35

#24

Darkbrady

You can get max asi on a

You can get max asi on a teethpick w/o UVs o.o

Also, just to point out that polaris isn't that dangerous or hard to dodge, it's just like a mist bomb that moves. I mean, it's not that they're so madass ad scary, it's that you just run into it. It's an area denial weapon; you can't expect to hold your group against a weapon designed to take your ground.

Use it in actual combat and expect happy results and you'll see how feeble the polaris really is in LD.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 18:15

#25

Vesperaldus

Makes me wonder how people

Makes me wonder how people would handle it if all slags came with a polaris in hand... I'm sure players could find some sort of strategy around and about it if it was PvE.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 18:50

#26

Trapzter

#24

ye, but not asi AND dmg max on tOOthpicks without UVs when using heart trinkets.

polaris isn´t really easy to dodge if used correctly imo. if anybody shoots the same spot all the time it´s not a big deal to that pass pol-shots ofc. in close combat pol sucks, i agree with you at that point.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 18:59

#27

Doctorspacebar

Node 58425 - Guile's theme goes with it.

People probably complain less about Strikers being spammy because it doesn't Shock them. Shock is annoying. Which is why I use it, heh heh heh.

Anyway, spamming is a legit tactic. Don't diss it. I've killed people with VT (no, really, they walked into the Shock without resistance and kept trying to kill me up close, it was hilarious) and I've definitely kept folks off points.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 19:14

#28

Darkbrady

ye, but not asi AND dmg max

ye, but not asi AND dmg max on tOOthpicks without UVs when using heart trinkets.

Ultimately it's the extra hp that's even remotely close to "p2w", since max:max can be easily achieved by any striker.

Just sayin'~

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 05:27

#29

Latisan-Sklay

Y u no flip tables?

There is a distinct lack of table flip in this argument.

Otherwise, +1 thread. I am completely agree. Also, for the doubters on the whole 'spam' argument, never forget what game you're playing. It's called a 'hack and slash' for a reason. By that Wikipedia definition, even the genre of game is spam.

I know of very few SK players (none, actually) who, if I were to watch their hands instead of the screen, do not click repeatedly or click/shield/click/shield or click/switch weapons/click/switch weapons when attacking. It's the way you fight in an MMO - you 'spam' the buttons. Pay attention to yourself next time you're swinging a Divine Avenger. It swings twice, but how many times did you just click? Eight? Nine? Fourteen? You 'spammer'.

And if everybody's spamming, then... no one is. It's not spam. You can't spam in this game.

PS - Otherwise, are we going to start accusing every mob in the game of spamming as well since they only do one or two attacks apiece as well?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 05:41

#30

Dismanteler

Come on! Of course there's

Come on! Of course there's such thing as spamming! Martcraft and Froggieperson hammer spam all the time... Even I GF spam!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 06:38

#31

Angerday

^.....did you read anything?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 06:42

#32

Thunderbog

no i don't want to angerday

its complicated and bad for my health

and we all know it

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 06:50

#33

Spold

There are plenty of

There are plenty of hypocrites in Lockdown because when someone uses Polaris on the opposing team, they're like "omg noob quit spaming polariss" yet when someone on their team uses Polaris they don't whine about it and sometimes they may even use Polaris.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 07:49

#34

Darkbrady

@Latisan: I spam my cloak.

@Latisan:
I spam my cloak. Srsly. Click it fifty times while I'm running. I also spam my single attacks in a flurried panic to get people. I suck with swords.

@Inci:
It's sad because it's true. Yesterday (as I believe Thunder and I talked about on your thread) I used polaris, as a bomber, briefly under duress while being chased. I got called a noob, hunted down, then that player proceeded to do nothing but spam polaris for the next four matches "because I want polaris spam".

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 07:58

#35

Thunderbog

at least i didn't call brady a nub

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 08:37

#36

Bleyken

AA is for noobs but spam is a strategy, i usually spam GF when it's necessary and some other good players do it.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 08:37

#37

Michaelb

Node 58425

Angerday -- So let me reiterate what you just said: "You can't spam guns because if all you do is shoot a Polaris for the whole game, you're using the weapon and that's the only way to use it. Same for swords, and same for Bombs." You don't really seem to understand the definition of "spam". Well, here it is: An endless repetition of [the use of a weapon]. So that means that if you only use a Final Flourish or Barbarous Thorn Blade thought an entire LD game, you are spamming it.

It's ridiculous to think that Auto Target doesn't have any effect on gameplay. It makes it easier to spam, it makes it easier to use three-hit combos, and it makes it much easier to use both in conjunction. I have no idea what makes you think that it doesn't.

If anyone should be mad right now, it's bombers. OOO took away our best bomb, despite unsupportive feedback. Go to forum node 58425 for more details!

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 08:38

#38

Darkbrady

I use AA when I spam my

I use AA when I spam my bombs.

I never miss.

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 08:47

#39

Spold

@Michaelb

That means everyone spams. If using one weapon throughout the whole game means spamming then the majority of us are spammers. I use two weapons but I use my Divine Avenger most and sometimes use my Argent Peacemaker to shoot so I spam two weapons. :D

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 08:51

#40

Michaelb

Node 58425

Incization -- Actually, I thought about that too, but the way I say it there, it means "consecutively".

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 09:01

#41

Everblunt

AA Bomber

"AA bomber" was funnier and way more common back when RSS was "not very bomb-like".

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 09:20

#42

Darkbrady

AA bombing with hazes takes

AA bombing with hazes takes more skill, y'see. Nothin' quite like gettin' a kill with VV~

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 09:24

#43

Thunderbog

@to AA bomber logic

Mind.

Forked.

Blown.

As well.

------

brady wat r u doing

brady stahp

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 09:29

#44

Angerday

ok several things. One AA

ok several things.

One AA bombing was clearly a joke....

@Michaelb

The point is that if someone is using the weapon repeatedly, its just them using the weapon that you or anyone else can use multiple times in a game.
The point i was making about AA is that it isnt for noobs, i don't know where this alpha-player meathead logic came from. because i know some of the best players who use it, and some of the best who dont use it. Also no need to promote other threads in here.

@Contri
YOU CANT SPAM SWORDS!!!! You swing it! Its the only thing you can do with it.

Let me put it in a different way. If you cant kill people with one weapon multiple times without it being called spam. Are we to believe that the rule is that you have to kill everyone with a different weapon every time for this spam nonsense to go away?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 09:36

#45

Darkbrady

Are we to believe that the

Are we to believe that the rule is that you have to kill everyone with a different weapon every time for this spam nonsense to go away?

Well, look at strikers who weapon switch and who will attack by hitting you with a cycle of all their swords one after the other.

Although, refer back to the discussion between Zade and myself about my opinion on that.

Fact is that the only people who don't do anything remotely close to "spam" by one definition or another are people who don't contribute much, if anything, to the match. And people who use Blitz. Honestly, every one of them I see them whip it out, unleash, then run away. Maybe it's because they realised that only three bullets registered and they were about to die....

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 09:58

#46

Burntsouls

The reason why people call it

The reason why people call it spamming is "Rage".

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 16:14

#47

Michaelb

Forum Node 58425

Angerday, what exactly is your definition of "spam"?

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:01

#48

Theirillusion

What a funny, tiny little man

Quote:
"Lets start with AA or Auto-Aim.

- It doesnt make you any worse or any better with or without auto-aim. I know plenty of players who use it and who don't. Both can get the same damage, both can play as well as each other."

You are wrong

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:16

#49

Canozo

Someday people will understand:
Auto-Target is in the game. Nothing will stop people from using Auto-Target. NOTHING.
Deal with it

Sat, 11/10/2012 - 17:28

#50

Canine-Vladmir

O.O u no invite me?

We should have the old RSS back...
and then we can have this mindless discussion.

im really confused. so by definition, spammers are saying there not spamming? i know theres nothing wrong about it but making a rage thread to emphasis there not "spamming"? talk about 9yr old fanboys. yeesh. anyway, lemme get out of here before you start propaganding on how skolver clones are not really clones.

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Thats IT! IVE HAD ENOUGH!!!!