But they're not so weak that you'll be hurting the team by using them.

I totally agree that they don't perfectly match the game's philosophy, but sometimes their lack of power or lack of use is exaggerated.

i love every inch of steel of my very high attack speed UV cold iron vanquisher. Good damage and defense (more attack speed = faster shielding after a swing) vs any kind of monster, and a little bonus vs the annoying undeads.

I fracking love it <3

Awesomest, you should be a PR guy! Being underpowered comparatively (which is generally speaking how power is measured; against a baseline) is still being underpowered, the role is fulfilled by something else better in everyway (for the same price), there is no trade off, reasonable pros for the cons, simply decreased functionality.

CIV does around 50% extra dmg to undead ( dun have exact figure ), and does no reduced dmg on the rest.

How's it not balanced? CIV's more allrounded compared to elemental swords, which does pathetic dmg on beasts and gremlins. It's still a great weapon for people who wants to use their weapon slots for guns and bombs instead of 4 sword of different attack types and UV.

Leviathan is well known for its raw dmg, but is still weaker than a CIV with the same level and UV.

Variety is necessary for this type of games, if only looks matter then all 5* sword should have the same dmg type / damage / charge and only look different.

If it sucks so bad that u feel like using a proto sword over it, go make / buy another one.

But I thought the philosophy of the game was that a player could use any weapons and not be punished for their personal taste?

Have you considered stand up comedy?
Because that is the funniest thing I have ever heard.

Leviathan is weaker than CIV in the long run. Though their about equal in power if you get a UV on CIV as well as its undead bonus its by far better.

As for the iron Slug, my choice of gun, your just not using it to its advantages. I like the fact it can interrupt gun pups attacks & knock over wolvers, gremlins, mechs & zombies therefor trapping them in place, though I agree it could use a little power boost.

If you don't like the weapon your using doesn't mean its underpowered, rather its just not cut out for your play style.

The thing is, with the same bonus, the CIV can be more effective than the Leviathan blade because it can have a second bonus applied to it. You could be lucky and get a UV bonus High against undead on what eventually becomes a CIV, and thus get a Maximum! boost which would crush the Leviathan blade in your above comparison (or basically just do the extra 20-30 damage per swing, if that is crushing). The minor loss of power versus the possibility of dual UVs makes the CIV a good sword for its role (banishing undead).

As for the Iron Slug, I haven't tested it at all yet. I'm told it has a nice AoE effect to it and reports above suggest it can interrupt attacks well (which most guns don't do), so that puts it above most other guns alone. UV damage bonuses would apply to all enemies in the AoE though.

All the bonuses are added up and you get a bonus in general. The values are:

1. Low
2. Medium
3. High
4. Very High
5. Ultra
6. Maximum!

So two Highs, or a High plus Medium and Low (in your case) both add up to a Maximum! bonus. So a Skolver coat + something else would still grant you a Maximum! bonus versus Undead, but a complete Skolver set would waste several bonus levels.

Doesn't CIC/CIV have a better special attack?

@Awesomest

Three flaws with that son, firstly; terms in the English language as misappropriated and transformed into a colloquial term on a regular basis (look at slang, popular catch phrases...rappers, etc.), often the term evolves passed its original meaning whilst maintaining some resemblance of it's original use. The gaming community is not above this and hijacks terms all the time, underpowered is one of these terms that carries a specific meaning within the gaming community.

Second; the definition there details "SUFFICIENT" power, they kill enemies yes, but slowly, thus is lacks sufficient STOPPING power, therefore underpowered. A car with a speed regulator in it stills moves, but is limited on how fast it may travel and accelerate, arguably underpowered.

And finally; dictionaries offer different explanations, which people seem to forget, from my good friends and dictionary.com I bring you;

underpowered (ˌʌndəˈpaʊəd)

— adj
lacking or low in power: two-litre cars are underpowered

What's that? 'Lacking'? or 'Low'? in power, low in power compared to others fulfilling the same role? Seems to dictate underpowered to me. Also, check Merriam-Websters description of the term underpowered if you want a more 'credible' source.

Also quoting a dictionary didn't help your point, your point was they are underpowered comparatively, your 'misplaced' dictionary reference merely detailed that being underpowered was a state of not having enough power. I would like to reiterate being comparatively underpowered and being underpowered when compared to everything that does the same job but better, makes it underpowered it what it does, as such underpowered in general.

You're clearly quite low on the totem troll pole son, quit arguing your point and start presenting me with some actual deliberate logical fallacies in an attempt to make me maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Consider this my first free lesson.

http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/307706/what+trolls+want+you+to+t...

Though you may have seen it, it's still relevant to your interests.

"They may be weaker than other weapons but that doesn't mean they're underpowered.

They're only underpowered comparatively." -Awesomest

"My point wasn't that they were underpowered, nor underpowered comparatively. Since you're an English major, you should be able to figure out what I was trying to communicate on your own." -Awesomest

If only I were a mind-reader.

Your point between those two above quotes were irrelevant to your original point (the point I was rebutting), it was there to contradict my point.

Additionally, you're not being trolled at all (mildly at some point, possibly, maybe, not sure where it begins and it stops), I am contending your understanding of a dictionary. Singular in the fact had you been motivated enough to check other dictionaries, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself with that post. Luckily for me however, you did not and provided me with this brief, yet ever so entertaining skirmish.

Alas, I am sad you surrender Awesomest (or should I say, Awesomer?)

Regards,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7En0z2A38c

you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself with that post.

What. :|

You're the one shoving words (see:comparatively) into meanings where it doesn't exist.

Underpowered doesn't mean weaker than something else. It only means it doesn't have enough power to fulfil its purpose.
Those weapons aren't underpowered; they fulfil their purpose of being able to kill monsters. They have enough power to do that. How can they be underpowered?
They cant be, unless you're talking about them being underpowered COMPARED TO another weapon.

Just because idiots on the internet skew meanings of words, doesn't mean they are right. That's exactly why they're idiots.

EDIT: And my point was that their damage isn't low enough to warrant a complaint. Learn to UNDERSTAND posts, not just read them.

And how much damage should it do? :|

-edit-

Read the whole post.

Things can't be underpowered compared to nothing.
You need an arbitrary point where higher is over, and lower is under.

Saying that a weapon is ok in power because it can kill monsters is silly. You can kill any monster with any weapon in the game, even Vanaduke with a Proto Gun if you have enough free time.

This may be superfluous at this point, however PuPu sparked an idea, that may end your thought that being underpowered and being comparatiely underpowered are mutually exclusive, and it involves using your fabled dictionary.

un·der   
[uhn-der] Show IPA
–preposition
1.
beneath and covered by: under a table; under a tree.
2.
below the surface of: under water; under the skin.
3.
at a point or position lower or further down than: He was hit just under his eye.

It's a preposition to powered, obviously being underpowered. Three is the best explanation for my point "at a point or POSITION lower of further down than" as such under by its intrinsic nature is a comparative term, as it is UNDER something else which is clearly on top of it. Therefore to be UNDERpowered it must be underpowered COMPARED to something else because it is over it. While it is true something can be underpowered without comparative context, it would be incorrect usage of the term, as it would become powerless (which wasn't the complaint). Hope this shows you the error of your point.

Ugh. Whatever.

While that was quite the educational debate it is however off-topic.

While I don't really have a say on the initial debate I would like to mention that the Cold Iron Vanquisher does not retain its massive knockback feature upon upgrading from Tempered Calibur to Cold Iron Carver. Another shy-away feature for the neat-looking albeit less powerful sword.