Spiral Knights - When are we going to get a real thing ?

When are we going to get a real thing ?

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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:28

Dendios

Aren't you tired of these new updates ? Seriously, 3 months " 3 months and 5 days " passed without a real new thing. All of the things we got were either Re-coloured stuff "Which takes no effort" plus the Guild Hall update which I think is 80% Cosmetic. No, this is not a rage thread or a rant, I and many other old players are bored from these updates, we want something new, either Missions "Which I don't think is completely satisfying" or new weapons, new boss, new story etc...

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Every month since the "Ghosts in the Machine" release is expected to bring new re-coloured stuff rather than something innovative or new. I do like to have costumes even if they were re-coloured, but it is overloading, enough with the costumes ! We want something new, stop making stuff only for new players as a lolipops for them to enjoy their game, it is really sad to see the game getting boring day after day.

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Don't say I am unthankful, I will be fair and thank OOO for only 2 things : The Honor Gear + For their effort on the GH. Although I didn't like the GH update much, but it really shows that they worked on it. Anyways, I am just advising OOO to make a New thing for the older and end-game players, before they lose them.

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Best Regards

From a loyal player of Spiral Knights to Three Rings

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:33

Immortous

Aaand....

On December 21, 2012...

Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...

THE CORE

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:57

Thimol

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 13:19

Lupxel

O.ooooooo

the...................... LAB :O

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:39

Zeddy

Tortodrones and sleep were already implemented but nobody saw since they're only in found in fiend-themed arcade levels.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:09

Chawkthree

What^

I heard nothing of this, that's great! Or are you just trolling?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:29

Irokwe

Wow, all the people that keep owning me in LD are posting here

Zeddy, I am 99.99999999999999% sure you are trolling. Still would be awesome though.

I am amazed at how exactly you summed up my thoughts, OP. All they made that I want is a frosty fur coat :/

OOO, make some specialized defence bombing armor (or make bombastic piercing, and merc demo shadow, or something like that), fix irontech bomb, and give us back the old RSS.
Give us an elemental DPS bomb.
Nerf Polaris.
Nerf all those uber swordie striker clone powers.
Stop preferring swords over other weapons.
Give bombers a chance at LD.
Also finish the lab.

Just some of these will net you more supporters, which will increase the profits you gain from this game.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:30

Grittle

Slightly Nerf PolarisBuff

Slightly Nerf Polaris
Buff Ridagoon/ Flameburge
Buff Iron Slug
Buff Shard Bombs
Buff IronTech
Buff Hvy Deconstructor
Buff Pepperbox
Buff Callahan
Buff Winmillion
Buff Catalyzer
Buff BaB
Buff Jelly line
Buff Chroma line
Add Front accessory availability to magic and gunslinger lines
Buff Cobalt line
Buff The Troika lines
Nerf Wolver lines abit
Balance LD to the point that more than 3 sets are usefull
Buff EoS
Nerf GH Upkeep by 15%
Buff Levi
Buff Valiance
Buff All of Brink's Trinkets
Re add and fix Sleep
Nerf Brandish's Lines Charge attack abit while buffing its normal attack abit
Add 3 + 4 + 5* lines for Wrench wand and Cautry Sword
Make Normal Damage Weapons/ Shield Useful
Make Wolvers Trojans Lumbers Chromas Jellies and Gremlins Abit More Challenging
Can you do all of this before Christmas 2013 OOO :3

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:50

Traevelliath

Why nerf the Brandish lines?

Everything else I can agree with.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:21

Clwnbaby

I agree with post

I'm tired of the cosmetic updates as well. almost 2 years and no core. come on. enough is enough. Since its part of the game and has been a direction they have been planning to go since the begginning it would be nice to finally get THE CORE. All these cosmetic updates, and yes I think the GH is purely cosmetic, mean that the DEVS are wasting their time with this useless stuff and not spending their time on what we want, the core. Please please please give us some end game content.

p.s. make it tough!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:28

#10

Grittle

@ Traeve It gets annoying if

@ Traeve It gets annoying if there is a sword thats only useful because of its charge, I want the charge nerfed and the normal attack buffed a bit

Also OOO, Look at all those Buffs you need to work with :3

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:56

#11

Traevelliath

@Clwnbaby: People have been

@Clwnbaby:
People have been demanding end game content for a while now... that's why the Danger Missions came into existence...

@Grittle:
Brandish only useful for the charge? I disagree with that 100%. I love the Brandish, especially with good ASI, for it's quick strikes over the DA's slow combos. I can pull out a lot more single target DPS with a Brandish, in addition to the beastly charge... Although I wouldn't mind a damage increase for the normal attacks and I use a Glacius so the charge's damage doesn't matter to me.

@Thread:
I thought the cosmetic things and the guildhall prices were more reactions to the CE price. The Guildhalls and their Upkeep were meant to be a massive crown sink, so people would have more of an incentive to sell large amounts of CE to pay for upgrades. The cosmetic promos encourage people to pay money in order to get CE, which they then usually sell (which in turn lowers the CE price).

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:14

#12

Vesperaldus

We we we all the way home...

Excuse me. I keep seeing the word "we" as if you are speaking in behalf of... everyone? Majority? End game players?

I'm a long time player of SK (since 4/4/11) and maybe not as "old timer" like as some to the game, but these cosmetic things... well it's what makes me P2P. I don't really care about the danger missions. Jeez, I don't actually care about runs period. I don't grind for anything but heat... to tweak my new costume most often times. If I'm in the clockworks for other reasons, it's cause I'm having fun... not worried about advancing. Danger missions are new content you sillies, just as Shadow Lairs were. Just... more accessable. Simple fact is that you don't care about cosmetics, but we as a communtiy pay for them.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:01

#13

Hollafamer

been saying it for months.

At least add more shadow lairs or something. Sure guildhall update was great not going to hate on it at all, but I am still seriously against running vanaduke. I'm just sick of him either change up the run or add new t3 bosses. Endgame content is the most important content to add into a game. It gives people a goal to reach. It keeps people who reached the endgame happy. I always said 000 are amazing when it comes to making bosses, stick to what you guys do best.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:22

#14

Fehzor

@Grittle

Slightly Nerf Polaris
-Polaris is already underpowered and only used by newish players. Why should OOO do this?

Buff Ridagoon/ Flameburge
-These are perfectly usable, although could use a touching up/redefining to make them more so. But aside from that, they work.

Buff Iron Slug
-The developers are trying to do this, but they can't because the engineers are being slow (Read the interviews, I asked)

Buff Shard Bombs
-The shard bombs need time to "settle" into the community; for players to come to accept them as weapons rather than as crappy replacements for the glory that was the original RSS. It would be a bad call for the devs to change it before then.

Buff IronTech
-Irontech is the best blast bomb. Why buff it? Go read Zeddy's post in the arsenal...

Buff Hvy Deconstructor
-It needs it, but OOO may need to finish tools like the iron slug. Aside from that it works fine.

Buff Pepperbox
-Pepperbox is one of the best items in the game. Why should it get buffed? Because its normal damage and the blitz needle is more popular?

Buff Callahan
-See Iron Slug.

Buff Winmillion
-The devs tried fixing it, and it may see a release of a 5* version in the future, but until then it will be incredibly hard to balance as an item.

Buff Catalyzer
-Catalyzer is one of the best weapons, provided collusion.

Buff BaB
-Bab works fine. Again, see Zeddy in the Arsenal.

Buff Jelly line
-This entails the re-introduction of sleep.

Buff Chroma line
-I cannot comment; I have not crafted chroma yet.

Add Front accessory availability to magic and gunslinger lines
-They were there and then they were removed. The devs have spoken.

Buff Cobalt line
-Cobalt is balanced due to how cheap and crappy it is.

Buff The Troika lines
-Troika lines are also balanced, they are perfectly fine normal damage weapons that work. Don't complain because they are normal.

Nerf Wolver lines abit
-Wolver lines are rather lackluster as it is, compared to other specialized sets like chaos. Only if you're a swordy are they good.

Balance LD to the point that more than 3 sets are usefull
-LD is a side game, and more time should be spent developing "real content" for the players.

Buff EoS
-Yeah, might as well let them put dog collars on players and have them give favors of a certain kind to a certain player over skype <69

Nerf GH Upkeep by 15%
-GH upkeep is currently a nice crown sink for everyone... why would we lower it?

Buff Levi
-Levi is also balanced.

Buff Valiance
-Valiance is one of my most used weapons... why...

Buff All of Brink's Trinkets
-So that they can be exactly like the sword damage trinkets and give the same as armor? Trinkets of that kind are already plenty useful.

Re add and fix Sleep
-This would be fine, but the implementation would be tricky. Better saved for a larger future update.

Nerf Brandish's Lines Charge attack abit while buffing its normal attack abit
-Brandish line's charge is decent, but is not the end of everything. The normal attack is strong enough that people use it.

Add 3 + 4 + 5* lines for Wrench wand and Cautry Sword
-This would take a lot of work, and a lot of design. Other issues need fixing before this, and new content too.

Make Normal Damage Weapons/ Shield Useful
-They are. You're probably just using them wrong.

Make Wolvers Trojans Lumbers Chromas Jellies and Gremlins Abit More Challenging
-There are players that find these challenging. Why do that when we can get harder and more enemies?

@Hollafamer

Erm... danger missions? Aren't those new enough for you? I would agree that more levels etc. would be awesome, but even so. They just fixed the economy guys, cut them some slack.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:54

#15

Shidara

If I could afford it and had

If I could afford it and had a big enough monthly paycheck to dip $300 into the game per month I'd be running Shadow Lairs exclusively every day with my friends, free of charge of course because I am a generous gentleman and don't believe in charging my comrades to have fun. Like inviting them over to my house to play Mario Kart but they have to pay me ten bucks because I bought the game.

Moving on to more sensible things, I can't say I agree with the trend of ignoring updates because they don't cater to a specific group of players. It's like complaining about a new bomb when you're a swordsman; you want something as well but the bombers will be crying tears of joy but you don't care because you're not one of them you egotistic bastard. So maybe there are just a lot of cosmetic stuff, but a lot of players actually do like to play dress-up, and while it doesn't take as much effort to do Three Rings have stated several times, over and over again, that they are working on bigger things in the background. Just because they release content that takes less work to create in the meantime doesn't mean they've closed all their programs and emptied buckets of paint on the floor to try and figure out what kind of recolour they should make for your new cosmetic wolver armour. I believe it is better to release what you can, when it's complete of course, rather than locking it up in a closet until you've finished your grand masterpiece so you can flood the masses with your shining new content, assuming the playerbase didn't ditch the game already because it took eight months to release it with no updates inbetween to confirm that you didn't completely sod the game.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:53

#16

Xconvoy

Granted, some updates are

Granted, some updates are taking a while to happen, but at least they are making some. But still i would like to see complete updates instead of just simple repaints for teasers.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:01

#17

Malware-Exe

New UI………oh wait wrong game

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:21

#18

Severage

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Listen, buddy.

Don't diss the Guild Hall update.

~Sev

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:17

#19

Malware-Exe

Im not making fun of the Guild Hall update.

UI=User Interface

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:21

#20

Severage

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lol I know what UI is, I was referring to the OP, not the poster above me.

Suppose I should've said "@OP" or something.

~Sev

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:51

#21

Dendios

Dragneel replies

@Hollows :

First of all, I am talking about the majority of the end-game players. Secondly, I've always said it for many people before, "Not because you aren't having a problem with means that most of the others aren't." You said you don't care about Danger Missions or even doing runs in Clockworks, if you don't, many others do. I don't care if you run for a specific purpose, but saying that you are having fun, maybe because it is clockworks, but after a while, you will get bored from just doing levels over levels without a True Purpose.You probably won't feel that, because from what I see, you care for costumes or let's say Fashion more than the runs. There is nothing wrong in that, but don't generalize that please.

And about that quote "Simple fact is that you don't care about cosmetics, but we as a communtiy pay for them." I agree that many people are p2p because of costumes, but seems that you didn't read well. I said "Re-coloured stuff" which means the ( Hunter - Surge - Hallow - Frosty ) stuff. Hunter were awful, Surge was kinda acceptable, Hallow is just stupid as Hunter, Frosty is somewhat good in accessories but fails in costumes, anyways that's my opinion, but the things you paid for and are worth might be the Dragon or Valkyrie events, Chapeaus, Summer and Winter etc..

But to clarify something for you, Cosmetics can't keep a game alive, it just delays the death of a game. I am not saying SK is going to die, but it really turned boring lately, as me and many others like Cosmetic but they can't keep us clinched to the game, they are like lolipops that will end after a while and we will cry for a new one. But a new thing ( From the things I listed up, excluding DM ) will refresh the game and put a new target for endgame players.

That's all I have to say for you.

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@Shidara :

Can't we get a small glimpse to give us some hope :( ? I mean, we just want something to aim, look and wait for these days :/

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@Severage :

Sorry if I offended you, looking that you worked really hard to achieve this GH update. Although I do dislike the GH update, but that doesn't mean that I hate it. In fact, I liked it for a while, but as you know, a cosmetic will retain its taste for a while and then it will get dry like a gum.

Sorry again if you were offended by that :/

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:29

#22

Lanieu

Things on their must-do

Things on their must-do list:

!!!!!!!!!!!The Core!!!!!!!!!!!!
5* Winmillion
Buff Certain monsters (because I don't want to lose my Combuster charge)
Jelly Palace Danger Room
Tortodrones
Sleep
(Lab can go here depending on its function)
!!!!!!New T3 Boss with Tokens and new weapon/armor boss-specific line!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe:

Shield costume slot or accessory slot?
Poison Brandish, lol?

Things to never do again:

Reskinned-reskinned-reskinned accessories/gear (Feel free to reskin other armors such as Dread Skelly or shadowsun stetson)

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:56

#23

Vesperaldus

Maybe it's too early in the

Maybe it's too early in the morning... but I'm not sure if I understand "not because you aren't having a problem with means that most of the others aren't."
Do you mean: "Just because you aren't having a problem with something doesn't mean others aren't either"? If so, then duh. I'm usually trying to look at things from a different stand point, or take up the opposite view point to help give a different perspective.
I realize people want "new content" other than cosmetics, I was just speaking on behalf of myself. But I'm also saying that some poeple don't realize it when they do get this new content. Also, there should be a balance between what sort of updates we get. But we... yes we are not the ones who should determine what that balance should be. Let's leave that to OOO, the ones who have an overall picture of what's going on. Of course, and quite clearly, not everyone can be satisfied in a single whack.
Ehem, not sure I got your point... but.. recolored items aren't cosmetics? They have been cosmetically recolored haven't they?

You think a lack of "productive" content will drive the game into the ground... and I think a contagious complaining attitude would do that job nicely as well. Take your pick on which one you want to fight... but know that one is caused by individuals other than OOO.

Btw... you realize the word "you" can be plural, right? I'm generally speaking to poeple and not just one specific person. The word "we" hasn't just been used by you, Dragneel.

Thank you for voicing you opinion that Hunter and Hallow items are stupid, etc. Your point please? since obviously I have found good use of Hallow and Winter (see me in game for that one) items (missed the other two).

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:11

#24

Shidara

@Xxdragneel

Your glimpse of hope would come in the form of "Coming Soon!" advertisement being uploaded on their Twitter, Facebook, your designated e-mail address if you signed up for their newsletter because you wanted a shiny, green proto badge, or the occassional forum sneak-peek post which reminds me very much of Jagex's monthly "Behind The Scenes" for their eleven years running mumorpuger success; RuneScape.

As it has been mentioned a million times by now, and I foresee in my crystal ball of clairvoyance that it will be repeated again for millions of times to come, that Three Rings Studios doesn't have quite as big a crew as other mumorpuger publishers like Blizzard that can pop updates and "rebalancing" out of their hinds whenever they please, and as such the ETA for larger-scale projects, like maybe the fabled Core would be significantly longer. For this reason, the hardcore players are going to reach a point in which they have seen everything, solved everything, and smacked/pummeled/sliced/diced/hacked/slashed/shot/sniped/bombed/blasted or just-freaking-die'd everything and can do little else but faff about in Town's Square hosting fashion shows to amuse themselves. I hate to be the one pulling the "do something else"-card here, but as it stands Spiral Knights is simply not the kind of game meant for hardcore players that invest several hours a day to become the very best and cleared every nook, cranny and bush for monsters and crowns but rather the more casual player that takes their time to run the Clockworks or clear out some of those missions after having been a productive member of society.

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Also, is it just me who finds it odd that this has been moved to the Suggestions board? Last I checked, the OP was a cry for content, a plea not so much a suggestion. The suggestion part would come from the proceeding comments but I don't see how that constitutes the thread itself becoming a suggestions topic unless the OP is in on it too. D'oh well.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:49

#25

Dendios

@Shidara : I guess it is my

@Shidara :

I guess it is my fate then, that I fell in love with a casual game. I damn love Spiral Knights, but it is Free-to-Play in the end T_T

Oh god....

And yeah, I don't know why is this moved to suggestions section, I can't see any idea I suggested up there.... Logic Please.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:05

#26

Melisan

This game has more updates

This game has more updates more frequently than many others, it has more developer interaction than many others,you get a lot more free stuff here than in many other games, esthetic items do and will keep games like these alive; they help the economy and help pay the staff.
Rather than complain please put some REAL thought into your weapon/item ideas taking the pressure of devs speeding up the process (a base idea is better to work from than no idea).

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:29

#27

Dendios

@Melisan : Unfortunately,

@Melisan :

Unfortunately, there are alot of ideas out there, which most of them weren't even considered. Take Luguiru's thread and see how many things were buffed or how many things were nerfed, they would be very low I guess. Another category is about LD, many people including myself suggested things for LD, here are some examples :

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1. Custom Lobbies, contains : [ Suggested by Thrillhaus and was improved by many other players ]

[a] Toggling UVs
[b] Toggling Auto Target
[c] Toggling Server
[d] Toggling Weapon Types
[e] Toggling Trinkets
[f] Toggling Armor and Helms
[g] Toggling Spectating { on/off }

2. Tournaments and toggling number of players [ 1v1 - 2v2 - 3v3 ]

3. New game types [ Suggested by Thunderbog ]

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I also remember seeing a thread about a new gametype, involving Guilds. I don't remember the link but it was something like a fortress and some traps in it etc... The idea is actually good from many sides. I think it was ignored then and got necroed from not too long time.

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T4 and other new bosses which you can find at Luguiru's thread, one of them is underwater and is actually very good, T4 is suggested by Lug himself. Another thing is beginning in searching on the surface itself rather than just going deeper and deeper in the ground, you don't know what would you encounter at the surface.

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I don't think any of these ideas will be implemented by OOO, not because they are bad, it is because they don't have a big team, which I wish they had and hope they will..

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:53

#28

Luguiru

Did someone call my name?

It was nothing, go home.

Oh okay.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:53

#29

Lanieu

You got yo thread moved to

You got yo thread moved to suggestions, when in reality, wanting pure new (non-cosmetic) content is a demand/necessity that will keep this game alive.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:28

#30

Moonlight-Flower

We need more pvp activities, and not brawl or new LD map. Some new end game entertainment for us who already finished the game

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:11

#31

Forum-Brady

As much as you may not care

As much as you may not care about the GH update, you absolutely cannot dismiss it as a huge update. People have been asking for improved GHs since Beta, there were dozens of threads requesting it constantly, and Sevs thread became massive over time. It got implemented because a lot of people wanted it, for a long time. No one ever asked for it to be 80% practical or game-changing, so that's why we have it as 80% cosmetic. But the fact remains that people still wanted this, so we got it as an update. There's no right to just dismiss it and say we've had nothin' for three months, just becasue you may not have been one of the vast majority of players who did want it, and saw it as a worthwhile and legitimate update.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 14:34

#32

Traevelliath

@Moonlight-Flower
You do realize that is a recipe for "ZOMG P2P = INSTA-WIN" complaining?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 01:02

#33

Shadowracer-Forum

Just at the OP

You liked the GHs and the Honor stuff. Quite frankly, we got about 3/5 of that. The GHs (which are awesome, nice work OOO!) and a fifth of the honor gear. I didn't even get the best stuff, but I think I'm over that now... waitnope.

EDIT: edited out some ragederail.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:27

#34

Severage

@Dragneel:

#Forum-Brady's post.

Anyway, if you haven't noticed, 80% of this game is cosmetic. The GH update Also serves as one of the largest crownsinks since um...LD. Even if you're not a fan of it, it does turn out to be healthy for the economy.

My work on it wasn't pioneer work, tons of people suggested it (albeit in a much less fleshed-out manner) before me, which is one of the main reasons I did anything in the first place. Anyway - despite it being cosmetic, it's good for the economy and plenty of people liked it...otherwise it wouldn't have been added to the game.

Little off-topic: Bunches of kudos to OOO on thinking up the Upkeep.

~Sev

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