when are you guys gonna make elevators cost no energy??

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Dinosaurvista's picture
Dinosaurvista

when are you going to make elevators free? its basically making the game P2P and if you dont have any intentions of making them free then i hope this game fails, bye

Ndognine-Forums's picture
Ndognine-Forums
They will make them free as

They will make them free as soon as you buy an elevator pass.

Tohru-Adachi's picture
Tohru-Adachi
Maybe you should be quiet.

F2P, playing for a year, better than P2P systems in some other games.

It limits your playstyle for factor the CE market, and inflation. Grind for crowns to trade CE.

It also helps you become better in a way. If you die several times on a single depth, it drags down your view point.

Considering it's been nearly two years since release, you technically failed.

No one really cares if you've left.

Little-Juances's picture
Little-Juances

Speaking of fails, Dinosaurs went extinct from a lame meteorite and Vista is the worst OS ever.

Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

Do you want to play more? Buy energy with your crowns
"I DONT WANT ITS MY CROWN"

then do you want to play without spent your crowns? Buy an elevator pass
"NAW! I DONT GOING TO WASTE MY MONEY IN THIS FAIL GAME"

then wait to your mist energy to refill so you can play.
"NAW I WANT TO PLAY NAOW DONT TALK! IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME DONT POST HERE!"

You see, your thread isnt different as other threads that other players did, everyone put the same thing you did and the game its dead? No its still around. there not a F2P MMo that let you play without restrictions (i dont count TF2 because thats different) You want to remove elevator cost which its part of the income money for OOO to keep developing this game (yeah sure... sure... i bet most of the money go directly to Dr Who World MMo development.. their new child). the game isnt that long enough and once a player get everything they want the only way to spent their energy its with elevator cost. so either they buy energy or an elevator pass.

Without the elevator cost, Ce prise will raise, less people will buy energy, and then the game will Fail. So no dont dream with "haaay guuuysss remove elevator cost ok?? thankssss byeee" that not going to happen yet.

now that the game will fail because we dont have new content and only new cosmetics.... then thats another story.

Canozo's picture
Canozo
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You should ban Dinosaurvista for being less than a 13 year old.

Dendios's picture
Dendios
How pathetic. Seriously ? You

How pathetic. Seriously ? You want to remove the factor that SK is clinching on ? And if OOO didn't make what you want, you hope for the destruction of this game ? How selfish and ignorant.
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If you have a healthy brain for arguments, let me tell you something. If the Energy went free, what would be the purpose of buying CE in real money ? Nothing. Ok, if that became pointless, who will lose ? Us or OOO ? Of course we won't lose, in fact we will win Hoaraaaayy!!!But wait....That means OOO will lose, and if OOO lose, what will happen in your opinion ? The game will get better and bigger. Wrong ! The game will be closed and you won't be able to play Spiral Knights again, thanks for your selfish cooperation.
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And if you wish the fail of this game, then you don't even deserve playing it. Go back to Call of Duty or Battlefield, and leave the game for its loyal players.

Case Closed apparently....

Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

"its basically making the game P2P and if you dont have any intentions of making them free then i hope this game fails, bye"

"You're not letting me have free stuff I don't like it so you and this game can all go to firestorm cuz you suck."

Fixed.

Thimol's picture
Thimol
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its basically making the game P2P

Shut up and never post again.

Eltia's picture
Eltia
Cooperstown, ND

Do you work?

  1. Yes. Is it full time work?
    1. Yes. Buy CE with real money and enjoy the game!
    2. No. Buy Elevator Pass. Trade CR for CE and enjoy the game!
  2. No. Are you a student?
    1. Yes. Play the game on Mist after school. Regenerate Mist while you are in school, then buy CE with CR.
    2. No. Are you retired?
      1. Yes. Buy Elevator Pass. Trade CR for CE and enjoy the game!
      2. No. Play SK on Mist and play another game when you are regenerating Mist.
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
@ Little-Juances

Speaking of fails, Dinosaurs went extinct from a lame meteorite and Vista is the worst OS ever.

Actually, ME was the worst (Millennium Edition)

Edit: It's a F2P game that cost 6$ CAN a month to have no elevator fee. Considering for 6$ a month is nothing, given my cellphone cost 49 a month, not to mention my car or food or anything else... It's cheap if you actually want an edge... Unlike most P2P games out there

Deltikon's picture
Deltikon
OPINIONS.

OP complains about a serious flaw of the game.

Yet everyone defends it.

Hilarious, really.

Oh, about OP's question? The answer is never. Never until people stop defending this pathetic system.

Canozo's picture
Canozo
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Frozenballz's picture
Frozenballz
can i have your stu- ohwait,

can i have your stu- ohwait, nvm. prolly doesnt have anything good anyway. :/

Tohru-Adachi's picture
Tohru-Adachi
Really, the only people that care are the people who only

Played for 3 days max.

Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

The moment when you realized you ran out of energy on the first day, when you want to storm all the way to at least a 3 star.

Meh, check me and psy and sev and some other peeps out, f2p all the way!~

Deltikon's picture
Deltikon
OPINIO- OH NO WAIT, FACTS

For everyone saying they reached endgame without paying a cent, guess what? You're not f2p.

Try to reach tier 3 with only your mist tank. That's right, you can't.

Spaznig's picture
Spaznig
What. If you have some

What.

If you have some friends that can get you through some daily vana runs you can easily gather 3k ce or more in a week.

Little-Juances's picture
Little-Juances

"Try to reach tier 3 with only your mist tank. That's right, you can't."
1-equipment drops from boxes
2-get invites to vana and trade token rewards
3-begging
4-winning a contest (birdsong lottery)
5-steal from guild treasury

Unpractical but not immpossible

Thimol's picture
Thimol
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Try to reach tier 3 with only your mist tank. That's right, you can't.

Hi OP.

Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

Erm... I got to Tier 3 without paying a cent. Between then and now, I have spent money, but getting to Tier 3 without paying isn't that hard.

(Albeit I was doing this before missions via charging through 2-3 Arenas, and the RJP/IMF)

Tohru-Adachi's picture
Tohru-Adachi
I'm F2p.

Considering the reliance of CE through trading, meh....

But then, it's an incentive, and neither side is losing.

Comparing this to others where the content is mostly locked out, it seems better.

Deltikon's picture
Deltikon
OPINIONS.

Little-Juances
1- Odds of obtaining an item on a box are WAY far lower than getting an unusual hat from a crate in TF2.
2- You can only get a rubbish elemental sword, and an even worse armor.
3- gib gun pls, i repot u. huehuehue
4- Odds are really low. Plus, such items also needed more than just mist energy to be crafted.
5- no-one on his right mind would place a high level gear on the treasury. Same plus above.
So yeah, impractical indeed.

Thimol
Learn to check for same-person, moth. Not everyone who shares the same opinion is the person himself.

Traevelliath & The-Trial
You're both forgetting you had to use cash currency in order to reach tier 3. It's only from the 3* barrier that the game stops being any f2p at all.

Thimol's picture
Thimol
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It's only from the 3* barrier that the game stops being any f2p at all.

But
you're
WRONG

No one but the OP could be this stupid. You can stop with the sock-puppeteering, it's obvious that you're the same person.

Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath

...

Let me try to understand your logic for a second...

If I walk into a library, pull a book off the shelf, plop down on the ground right there and start reading the book, (Despite not paying a cent to enter or peruse the library) I'm not actually reading the book for free because someone ELSE paid to make it?

Tohru-Adachi's picture
Tohru-Adachi
Your view of F2P is different from mine.

Considering that it isn't yours and you use a ingame one to trade, I fail to see how I've missed it

Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

I'm pretty sure you can buy ce using in game currency... it's still not paying a cent to OOO... no offense OOO team and GMs.

F2P :3

Deltikon's picture
Deltikon
OPINIONS.

Thimol
Tell me how exactly can you get a full 3* load out, without you or anyone else beforehand resorting to CE.

You can't, but you'll still call me an idiot and think that I am OP. So yeah, whatever makes you feel better pal.

Traevelliath
Since you're comparing libraries with vidya, let's see:
You can only read books for a certain period of time until the staff kicks tells you to stop reading or even kick you out, unless you pay money to. What kind of rubbish library does that? Oh yeah, you can't touch the really good books unless there's money for it, from you or somebody else.

The-Trial
You can only get CE because somebody else payed cash for it and wants to trade it for crowns. If they didn't do so, only in your dreams you would ever get there. Therefore the game is not really f2p at all. Somebody has to pay real money and willing to trade it in order for somebody else being able to progress further. That's the point.

Thimol's picture
Thimol
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Tell me how exactly can you get a full 3* load out, without you or anyone else beforehand resorting to CE.

/rolleyes

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

You can only get CE because somebody else payed cash for it and wants to trade it for crowns. If they didn't do so, only in your dreams you would ever get there. Therefore the game is not really f2p at all. Somebody has to pay real money and willing to trade it in order for somebody else being able to progress further.

Just because you don't have a mist gauge that can't let you craft 3* on its own doesn't mean the system is "broken", And they charge money for CE because you can't run this kind of a game for free. OOO has to deal with things like server fees and maintenance, but in any case, your idiotic analysis here is flawed because "F2P" status depends wholly on one's paying to purchase CE with money. If you buy it with crowns, guess what? YOU DIDN'T USE MONEY!

I--I don't even know what it is you're trying to get at here. Do you want OOO to stop trying to make money? Do you want everything for free?

Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

Why are you still here?

With all your whining over something not as restrictive as you imagine it to be I thought you would have quit months ago.

Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

Have I mentioned how pathetic the 'nothing is free' extended logic is?

Totally have. Many times before.

The whole point of something being 'Free' is the receiver doesn't have to give anything material in return. You wanna argue about how nothing is free, go ahead, because that argument will get to the point where you wonder why the word 'free' exists at all, in all contexts.

Bush-person uses heavily broken logic.

Proceeds to defend it.

Tohru-Adachi's picture
Tohru-Adachi
I think Delt is better necoring his older thread....

I mean, least it was more inteligent, than the Op's one.

Deltikon's picture
Deltikon
OPINIONS.

Thimol

It's not broken, but it's certainly abusive. Just ten levels doesn't satisfy anyone, like OP. The game's surprisingly fun just like a good sandwich is tasty, but the greed behind it just spoils all of it, specially for newbies who are the ones who get a 1st bite of it.

Ironically, they make something non-gameplay wise like the guild hall stuff be charged with in-game currency while far more important stuff is still charged with CE. You all look on the CE prices too much to even realize that. Care to explain to me why couldn't they make it the other way around instead? Plus, they could make more CE sinks if that ever happened in order to try to keep the CE worthy to buy with real cash without shoving it on everyone's faces.

I'm not complaining about the cash currency itself, I'm complaining about how much the game depends on it, more than just servers' upkeep. It's bad, and it seriously deteriorates the quality of the mmo. Shame really.

I'm aware about the costs of sustaining an mmo, but I have yet to see one that doesn't rely on cheap, dirty schemes to make people pay. If it wasn't for the simple yet fun combat, SK wouldn't be more than that. I can live with it though, and it could be worse I admit, but it really is annoying.

Personally I'd pay a 1-time fee just to play it without the restrictions caused by the demand of CE.

You get it now, or you still think I'm an idiot?

Canozo's picture
Canozo
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@Juances
"birdsong lottery"
They havent done one in like 10 Months, I would like to see them come back.

Thimol's picture
Thimol
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OPINIONS.

Why do you keep spamming that word in your subject line? Do you know what that word even means?

but it's certainly abusive.

No, a husband beating his wife is abusive. Snorting a mile-long line of cocaine is abusive. This is business.

The game's surprisingly fun just like a good sandwich is tasty, but the greed behind it just spoils all of it, specially for newbies who are the ones who get a 1st bite of it.

Then if they like it, they will either wait for their mist to replenish or buy some goddamn CE. And like I said, it's business. If you expect these people to work some other job to make money for themselves, you'll find that they won't have much time left in their day.

Care to explain to me why couldn't they make it the other way around instead?

Because very few people have 80K crowns just to use to craft a 5* weapon. Also because if you make crafting too cheap, then the market will be flooded with 5*s. Goodbye, game.

I'm not complaining about the cash currency itself, I'm complaining about how much the game depends on it,

Maybe if most MMO players weren't so bent on exploiting every glitch or loophole to sheets, that wouldn't be necessary. Unfortunately, we don't live in that kind of a world.

and it seriously deteriorates the quality of the mmo

How? oh that's right because you're a middle-school marxist

but I have yet to see one that doesn't rely on cheap, dirty schemes to make people pay

No one's being made to pay and there are no schemes. Otherwise, either you're really easily fooled or you're still a middle-school Marxist.

Personally I'd pay a 1-time fee just to play it without the restrictions caused by the demand of CE.

lol I hope you're not planning on marketing something

You get it now, or you still think I'm an idiot?

No, yes.

Deltikon's picture
Deltikon
OPINIONS.

Okay a few more replies before I go to bed.

Luguiru
What you call "whining" is called arguing. Not everyone needs to make a 50-line wall of text to state a point, you know?

To be honest, I would. If I could find some other game that had a combat just as good or better than this, without making people pay money to play it so harshly, I'd jump on it in an instant. I mean, I've tried Vindictus, but it was a bit too repetitive for me... I should give it another try though.

Psychodestroyer
I agree about the "nothing is free" thing being stupid. But to be fair, the 100ME a day are entirely free (limiting playtime with it is stupid though), but it only goes like that until a player gets on tier 2. That's where the "real free" ends.

I'm also offended for saying that I use "broken logic". Is it because of the library thing?

The-Trial
I don't even remember how long ago I've made a thread like that, much least when I created it... Speaking of which, OP must have left after all that hostility against him.

Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

"I'm also offended for saying that I use "broken logic". Is it because of the library thing?"

Your broken logic being that having to buy CE with ingame currency means that it's not 'Free to Play'. Someone had to buy it, yes. But you, the buyer, are buying it with something decidedly NOT cash-currency. It's free to YOU, which is the whole point. The Extended logic, the logic that something's not free because someone had to pay for it, should NOT factor in at any point.

Because it's silly and ridiculous and related to my previous point where you could debate to the extent where the word Free shouldn't exist in all contexts etc.

Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya giggles

I find it funny how people make rage threads, but don't respond to any of the messages ^^ I'm not even going to waste my time anymore here, tut tut.

Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

Your "arguing" is the same as whining.

I write more when I have more to say. Some people have this squishy thing between their ears where thoughts are formed but I can see yours has been retired for a while. I met it at a bar but the keeper kicked it out after twenty shots.

I have an idea. How about you come up with a completely original game and how to make enough money to keep it afloat? Clearly you have room to criticize so you must know of something better. To be a little fair assume you only need to pay to keep the game up without starting from scratch and building up. You need something that involves your company making money to fund the game. Since you hate the energy system so sincerely you are not allowed to use it in your imaginary game.

Deltikon's picture
Deltikon
Last one.

Thimol

- Why do you keep spamming that word in your subject line? Do you know what that word even means?
OPINION: A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

- No, a husband beating his wife is abusive. Snorting a mile-long line of cocaine is abusive. This is business.
And clearly there's no such thing as abusive businesses. EA can kill as many developers and crap on all the players because it's BUSINESS.

- Then if they like it, they will either wait for their mist to replenish or buy some goddamn CE. And like I said, it's business. If you expect these people to work some other job to make money for themselves, you'll find that they won't have much time left in their day.
No, I'm asking them to not be so aggressive about it. And it's not worth to waste progress just to grind a few more hours, much least spending real cash to do so. And even the elevator passes aren't really worth 5 bucks, considering the lack of content the game has.

- Because very few people have 80K crowns just to use to craft a 5* weapon. Also because if you make crafting too cheap, then the market will be flooded with 5*s. Goodbye, game.
80K is too expensive, that was the price back in the over9000cr/100CE price days.... And there still would be unbinding fees to do. Good price would be the equivalent of around 5000-6000cr/CE pack, don't you agree? Another thing, I didn't imply that people couldn't use the alchemy machine with Ce anymore. I just said to keep important gameplay stuff accessible with crowns at least.

- Maybe if most MMO players weren't so bent on exploiting every glitch or loophole to sheets, that wouldn't be necessary. Unfortunately, we don't live in that kind of a world.
Wat.

- How? oh that's right because you're a middle-school marxist
Add Eminem.

- No one's being made to pay and there are no schemes. Otherwise, either you're really easily fooled or you're still a middle-school Marxist.
Clearly forcing people to buy CE in order to keep playing/progressing is not any sort of filthy BS scheme. Maybe you're right... Nope, totally not a scheme. :V

-lol I hope you're not planning on marketing something
What, you prefer to having to spend a million dollars just to play a couple of minutes, or just pay a couple of bucks to play as long and much as you want, excluding the DLC?

Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya frowns

Too much negative energy in this thread >.> Everybody just calm down for a second...............take a deeeeep breath............let the force flow through you (:P)
Fine, in all seerusness, let's just watch our language and what we are saying ^^ I don't want this thread to burst into flames................

Deltikon's picture
Deltikon
Actually no, one more.

Luguiru
- If you don't like the game why don't you make your own.
And I thought you were more clever than that. Pathetic. But I'll try that as soon as I learn to program at the university.

Psychodestroyer
Maybe not for the buyer by crowns, but somebody had to put the CE in the game, right? And without that CE, as I mentioned, there's no way on progressing the game without the more or less ridiculous methods Little-Juances mentioned. Therefore the false f2p thing. Just for being easier to trade cash currency with in-game one doesn't make it f2p at all.

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And now I'm off to bed. Night.

Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

"Maybe not for the buyer by crowns, but somebody had to put the CE in the game, right? And without that CE, as I mentioned, there's no way on progressing the game without the more or less ridiculous methods Little-Juances mentioned. Therefore the false f2p thing. Just for being easier to trade cash currency with in-game one doesn't make it f2p at all."

You miss the point entirely. The whole point of the 'F2P' model is that SomeONE, singular, can pick up this game, play it from start to finish and get through all of the main-game content without paying for the game themselves.

Just because they call it F2P doesn't mean that they planned to fund everything in the game so everyone doesn't have to pay anything for anything. It means that someone can play it without having to pay money.

Just because someone bought something that someone else paid real money for with ingame currency does NOT mean that both are now P2P. One of them paid for it with money, the other didn't. Said other person got it 'free'.

Like I said, I can go on all day about how such extended logic is broken etc.

"And I thought you were more clever than that. Pathetic."

He is 'more clever', but I'm pretty sure the pathetic thing goes the other way considering you still persist with thinking a free game means that everyone need not incur any cost whatsoever.

This extended logic is horribly, horribly broken. Do NOT make me spell it out another five different ways with examples, because I'm fairly sure I did that before and I'm just sick of having to discuss said topic to people who plainly don't get it.

Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

I will take it from here guys...

"If you don't like the game why don't you make your own.
And I thought you were more clever than that. Pathetic. But I'll try that as soon as I learn to program at the university."

Why don't you make a variation of Spiral Knights, PAY for a server to host it and let everyone play with free energy? You have to PAY, work with no form of rewards. Will you like it?

"Maybe not for the buyer by crowns, but somebody had to put the CE in the game, right? And without that CE, as I mentioned, there's no way on progressing the game without the more or less ridiculous methods Little-Juances mentioned. Therefore the false f2p thing. Just for being easier to trade cash currency with in-game one doesn't make it f2p at all."

Yes someone has to buy it, but they buy it for some other incentive, say crowns. Hey! Basically it has been balanced. OOO gives energy for money. P2P gives energy for crowns. F2P gives crowns for energy. If you don't like to pay, then don't pay. People pay on their own free will.

Thimol's picture
Thimol
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And clearly there's no such thing as abusive businesses. EA can kill as many developers and crap on all the players because it's BUSINESS.

Clearly forcing people to buy CE in order to keep playing/progressing is not any sort of filthy BS scheme. Maybe you're right... Nope, totally not a scheme. :V

What, you prefer to having to spend a million dollars just to play a couple of minutes, or just pay a couple of bucks to play as long and much as you want, excluding the DLC?

Are you eleven years old? Wait, no. Don't answer that. You seem to be under the impression that charging money for in-game currency is some kind of irredeemable evil and that you're being gouged out the ass or something. If you don't want to pay for CE, then you can grind for the crowns and buy the CE from someone else. It takes time, so you need to exercise patience, but it's completely free and you get to keep your money. 100 mist is plenty to gather several thousand crowns daily, assuming you don't die often, and you can have others tab you if you ask nicely.

If patience is not your thing, just buy an elevator pass or some CE. It's chump change, unlike food these days, but if somehow you're unable to any of that, then don't [wimp] out and blame it on OOO and start saying that they're forcing you or tricking you (they're not). Either get a job or exercise some patience.

Oh and by the way, what's being discussed here has nothing to do with "OPINIONS".

Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

"No, you and everyone besides me is wrong because I said so."

I know the whole program all the things part was implied by making a game, but all I expect are content ideas. What people play as, enemies, equipment, areas to play in; those kinds of things. Do you want me to list basic features of a game you need or can you do it yourself? You should be able to do it yourself. Clearly you can come up with the most perfect MMO to ever exist. By your own requirements the game needs:

  • No pay-only content (exclusively available to those who pay)
  • No energy system
  • Nothing premium involved in gameplay
  • Playable for an indefinite time without requiring anything that involves paying money
  • No subscription system
  • If a premium obtained item is tradable it must be sellable to non-paying players very cheaply no matter how high inflation makes its actual price rise

Are you going to do this or whine more?

Batabii's picture
Batabii
if elevators were free,

if elevators were free, people would have literally no reason to spend real money on the game unless they are REALLY lazy.

Also, elevator costs keep people from playing 18 hours a day.

Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
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when are you going to remove mist energy? its basically making the game F2P and if you dont have any intentions of getting rid of it then i hope this game fails, bye

Batabii's picture
Batabii
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nevermind

Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

@OP

The elevator costs seriously help to eliminate inflation. Have you seen what happens to the economy when the devs do "energy weekends" and the likes? Yeah, it would help the beginner players to advance a bit, but even so, it helps the players who don't have enough time to play the game 24/7.

@Deltikon

Explain to me why using crystal energy attained via trading crowns to other players makes me pay to play? I did not pay, yet I still played the game. Can there be any clearer a distinction between F2P and P2P? Saying that the crystal energy was originally payed for is not good enough, as I myself did not pay for it.

Deltikon's picture
Deltikon
Jesus christ.

ITT morons implying that I want everything in the game to be free.

People want important stuff like crafting and slot unlockers to be available with cr payment, but I did NOT imply that the CE payment should be replaced. Having both is fine, but cr payment method SHOULD be there.

If above is done, elevator fees can be safely removed because it wouldn't matter that the CE price would skyrocket. People could still progress without worrying about endless grinding.

Cosmetic gibberish, like accessories and guild hall junk (minus the upkeep and expansions) should be paid EXCLUSIVELY with CE, which is perfectly fine because they do NOT affect the gameplay.

If that's not enough to balance things out, make more CE sinks, in a way to incentive people to spend money on the game but without making f2pers feel left out. No p2w crap, no matter what.

Doesn't this sound a lot better than the current bs energy system or are you going to keep choking on it because of MUH DEV'S PROFITS?