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Music Selection in Guild Halls

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Thu, 01/17/2013 - 22:32
Bowlda's picture
Bowlda

This is just a simple but cool idea to further differentiate and improve Guild Hall customisation. Players could purchase various music tracks for their Guild Hall. These could either be tracks from the game's various levels and areas, or could be brand new songs specially made for the Guild Hall. Three Rings could even do an online poll to decide which songs to use. As to the price of these tracks, I'm not sure what would be fair (maybe something around 25-50k crowns).

This would greatly improve customisation in Guild Hall's and would be, come on admit it, extremely cool.

Anyways, let me know what you think!

Bowlda.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 22:55
#1
Kingparat's picture
Kingparat
+1

Great idea!!

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 23:00
#2
Bowlda's picture
Bowlda
Do I know you from somewhere?

Do I know you from somewhere? Wait-

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 23:11
#3
Mohandar's picture
Mohandar
Guild jukebox

Multiple tiers of jukeboxes; higher tier jukeboxes are more expensive but play more tunes. Or some mechanism to upgrade jukeboxes as your guild grows and gets more capable.
50cr to queue a track; 200cr to clear the queue and immediately play your track; 100cr to queue up five random tracks. Just spare change, but that's the spirit of a jukebox; anyone who can reach the jukebox (including public) can throw some coins in to queue a tune. The crowns can either vanish or go into guild treasury.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 23:41
#4
Bowlda's picture
Bowlda
@Mohandar

Nice idea. My idea was more along the lines of the music being decided by the GM(s) and Officers, rather than a public thing, however both would be cool. If the jukebox idea was open to the public, there's also opportunities for spamming so there may have to be some measures taken to ensure that people don't spend thousands of crowns selecting the same song or hogging the queue.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 03:05
#5
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

How about navigating yourself to the sound folder. but I find the sound quality there is pretty much bad, probably to prevent copyright infringement? Meh.

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:04
#6
Skold-The-Drac's picture
Skold-The-Drac
Jukeboxhero.avi
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:08
#7
Canine-Vladmir's picture
Canine-Vladmir
+1

my fav is the wolver song. with them drums.
would love to hear that in my GH.
+1

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 12:39
#8
Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya grins

I'm gonna play some scary music and freak out my guild mates >:)

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 18:03
#9
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

Please stop making new threads over this :/

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 18:29
#10
Bowlda's picture
Bowlda
@Hexzyle

I just thought of this yesterday... and this is the first thread I've made about it. :/

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 19:47
#11
Rabeet-Ahsan's picture
Rabeet-Ahsan
You do know Hexzyle people

You do know Hexzyle people can have orginal ideas even though they already exist.

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 02:20
#12
Kingparat's picture
Kingparat
Yeah Hexzyle, stop

Yeah Hexzyle, stop overreacting!

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 10:03
#13
Paratroopa's picture
Paratroopa
Me likey

It could be like smash bros. brawl where a monster might randomly drop a CD with music that reflects the level it's on. It would be very rare though. Also the slot machine at the end of a depth could give out tracks that don't at all relate to any other level. Of course they'd be really rare and very pricey to sell in the AH. I give a +1.

There could be preview button to listen to the music like you would when you want to preview armor and weps!

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 11:32
#14
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
@Rabeet-Ahsan

You do know Hexzyle people can have orginal ideas even though they already exist.

This doesn't excuse ignorance or laziness though. We have a search bar, and i'm fairly sure everyone knows what google is and does.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/69090
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/64138
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/64364
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/53463
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/68395

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 12:02
#15
Canine-Vladmir's picture
Canine-Vladmir

Hex. search bar sucks butt.

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 17:31
#16
Skold-The-Drac's picture
Skold-The-Drac
lmgtfy.com

Do I need to start providing links with the above address? I will...

Drupal's search engine sucks, GOOGLE is plenty good at what it does...

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 21:17
#17
Skyguarder's picture
Skyguarder
Add "Music" to the guild console

Music, and the guild can go buy music

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 21:26
#18
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
@Canine-Vladmir

"Hex. search bar sucks butt."

You couldn't be bothered reading my post past the 12th word, so I'm not going to bother giving you a full reply explaining your sillyness, I'm just going to show you the latter half of my post:

"i'm fairly sure everyone knows what google is and does."

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 21:34
#19
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

Haha, too bad some people don't know.

Here is a complete "Google Search for Dummies" guide on how to use google

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 22:13
#20
Kingparat's picture
Kingparat
@hexzyle

Hexzyle, the point of this thread is music selection in guildhalls, not arguing over search engines! XD

Sat, 01/19/2013 - 22:29
#21
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

and the fact that this suggestion can be found easily through google search, meant that this thread is unoriginal, and we should therefore teach you how to use google search.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 00:18
#22
Kingparat's picture
Kingparat
@Zaffy-Laffy

The fact is no one cares if its original or not! (excluding you and hexzyle of course)
And by the way, I'm pretty sure most people on the forums used google to get here in the first place, so im quite certain they would know how to use it!

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 00:40
#23
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

You're missing the point King. Point being, that instead of making more threads asking for the same thing, they should find the most relevant existing thread and comment on that instead.

Because frankly, it gets plain annoying after the twentieth time.

Don't believe me, look at Pets, Dual Wielding, Houses and the like.

"The fact is no one cares if its original or not!"

Incorrect.

Back to the subject at hand, there are a few problems I spot with this:
When you buy a new track to play, who decides which are played, when, how, and what measures will there be to prevent someone constantly overriding the Music choice?

I propose that the Music be editable only in Design mode, with a Preview option so you can see what the Track sounds like. Upon publishing the Hall with the selected Track, said track will then be played upon Entry to the Hall until changed.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 00:45
#24
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

So? You might as well bump the old one, which has the exact same contents as this thread has, rather than making loads of reposts that hog up a lot of space.

"And by the way, I'm pretty sure most people on the forums used google to get here in the first place, so im quite certain they would know how to use it!"

No generalization. Provide evidence that most people actually knows how to google search for it.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 01:32
#25
Bowlda's picture
Bowlda
Alright let's deal with this.

Firstly Zaffy-Laffy and Hexztyle - Don't you guys have anything better to do then comment on this thread? This is the suggestions section. Why don't you go use Google to search up a forum for hhe socially-ignorant. I'm positive it exists, but in the meantime; stop talking about Google, you are clogging this thread with the ramblings of an idiot. That is all.

Secondly Psychodestroyer - The flaw you discovered was flawed. If you actually read the entire thread you would have seen that I posted a comment with precisely what you just said. Ignorance = Foolishness my friend.

Now that all the trash has been taken out, please only comment if you are going to bring something useful to the discussion.

Basically you can go discuss search engines at the Aforementioned Website for the socially...uneducated.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 02:27
#26
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

Read this

Section Forum Rules and Help; Sub-section DOs

"Use the Search option (located in the upper right corner of the forums) to check for existing posts/threads on your topic."

Though the drupal search bar is not very effective, it is recommended to use google search function. And apparently, this thread has been debated and posted for at least 5 times, out of which are quite recent too. Especially Sev's post, which is of most likely to be fully read by the OOO team itself. Though it is not OOO to disclose that they agree and start work on a specific suggestion, they might have already known about this.

So basically it has been suggested, should not be suggested again.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 03:02
#27
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

...

Normally here's where I'd launch into a heated counter-rant, but I really can't be bothered this time. Too tired, too melancholy, and just plain sick of this.

Your little quip at Hex and Zaffy does nothing to deter the point that you are posting an idea that has been suggested before. As such, protocol dictates to find the most recent and relevant thread and support it. If none are satisfactorily detailed enough, you suggest in your on thread, noting that you have in fact looked at the other threads.

"Ignorance = Foolishness my friend."
"Now that all the trash has been taken out,"

I find it funny how you decide to label me as trash after witnessing just one of my posts, which neither attacked you nor insulted your idea. Pointing out an error =/= insulting, however stoic.

"you would have seen that I posted a comment with precisely what you just said"

I re-read the whole thread and found no such 'precise repeat' of what I had suggested. If anything, it was scattered in little bits across the thread; unorganized, and incomplete.

Not to mention that Hypocrisy screams a chorus at your statement about Ignorance; you were ignorant of the fact that previous threads with the same idea existed, you were ignorant of the fact that you were supposed to find such previous threads, even if only to cite them as being referred to, you are also ignorant of the fact that creating threads with the same idea as previously created thread also clutters the forum with 'duplicates' and annoys some of the other posters because more often than not, nobody bothers to look, and fifty threads come up all mentioning the same thing, as I related to earlier about Pets and Dual wielding etc.

Which relates to the use of Google because the SK Forum Search bar is shot to Firestorm, and a simple thirty second search is all that is required to show that you put in the effort to see if the idea had been mentioned before, which in itself at least shows considerative thought.

TL;DR: If you're not going to consider outside criticism, be it on your idea or on your conduct considering your relative 'newness' to an unknown area, I fail to see why you would ask for such outside opinions.

Side note, the Original thread Hex linked belongs to Severage; the guy who's thread compiled all of the other Guild Hall suggestions and who's pretty much the SK authority on GHs. His Original thread was at least party responsible for the recent GH update, and as such, had decided to continue his work compiling and refining GH suggestions in another 'Mega Thread'.

The mentioned being more organized and comfortable to discuss ideas in, considering that people interested in improving Guild Halls focus on his thread for critiques and suggestions, because he knows what he's doing.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 03:45
#28
Bowlda's picture
Bowlda
Umm, that was a rant?

This was the comment I made which I was talking about:

"My idea was more along the lines of the music being decided by the GM(s) and Officers, rather than a public thing, however both would be cool. If the jukebox idea was open to the public, there's also opportunities for spamming so there may have to be some measures taken to ensure that people don't spend thousands of crowns selecting the same song or hogging the queue."

You may have been slightly more specific, but the "flaw" (that the public could edit and change tracks on the jukebox) in fact never existed based on my original suggestion. The entire concept if the post was based on the idea that Guild Masters and Officers are the only people who can edit and change the track selection. Whether that is through design mode is irrelevant and unnecessary.

You are correct that this is not an original idea. I just thought of it and posted it on a whim. I in no way intended to copy previous threads and I will be sure to use the search function next time I post a suggestion, HOWEVER, you in no way are responsible nor have the right to enforce the forum rules; you are simply another player. So with that, I understand what you are saying but am respectfully asking you to stop pretending to be an expert on forum law encorcement. If there are multiple threads on the same topic and its annoying you (this goes for you too hexztyles and zaffy-laffy) maybe you should question how much time you are spending on these forums and maybe go for a walk or something? You know: outside? That place that you go through by walking out a... door I think they call it. It requires you to leave your computer though. Anyway, the point is leave the policing to the real police; the admins.

Summary of this post for Psycho: I Understand what you are saying Psyho but it is neither your responsibility nor your right so I would appreciate it if you would stop your useless typing.

Summary of this post for Hex and Zaffy: You want me to use Google. Sweet. Now. Shut. Up.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 03:40
#29
Kingparat's picture
Kingparat
@Zaffy-Laffy and Psychodestroyer

I can't express how funny it is that you guys are almost incapeable of dropping an issue! I mean, bowlda steps in and stops an argument and you two just ignore it go back to your rant about search engines! Also, I was wondering psycho, how come you always say your not going to launch into an angry rant and then you rant anyway? Please, all your getting upset over is the fact that the original post didn't mention if the idea had been posted before. Really, just get over it already!!

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 04:06
#30
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

I am not dropping an issue, I am raising an awareness of self-responsibility to ensure that Bowlda here should learn to look back on other peoples' suggestions. Forums rules are the basics, and if you decide to dilly-dally skip that and go on to post your unoriginal suggestion here, then you are gonna get a hell out of a beating from us. We don't want ideas that have been raised before to come back and smack us on the face.

I rather'd you find a way to improve existing ideas, before posting the EXACT same content here. What is the point? I am very sure OOO has read the other ideas, why the same suggestion?

Don't you dare tell us to get a life, Bowlda, we had plenty.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 04:08
#31
Kingparat's picture
Kingparat
@Zaffy-Laffy

If you dont like the same idea getting repeated, why don't you just not read it? Seriously, aren't you capeable of doing that? XD

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 04:30
#32
Bowlda's picture
Bowlda
@Psycho - Please Clarify... And your grammar is rather poor.

Oh yeah, could you clarify what you meant by:

"TL;DR: If you're not going to consider outside criticism, be it on your idea or on your conduct considering your relative 'newness' to an unknown area, I fail to see why you would ask for such outside opinions."

I'm sorry but the grammar in that statement was atrocious. Also, you may want to consider reducing the amount of unnecessary words you use. It makes you look as though you are trying to sound smart... albeit failing. Let me give you an example or two:

1) "Not to mention that Hypocrisy screams a chorus at your statement about Ignorance" (taken from your previous post)
Firstly the word 'hypocrisy' and 'ignorance' should not have a capital letter in front of them. Secondly "screams a chorus". xD Just go ahead and read that whole statement again and see if you don't laugh as much as I did. If you fail to see what is so hilarious about it... well; your language makes you look like a try hard. Sorry but it's true.

2) "As such, protocol dictates to find the most recent and relevant thread and support it." (Taken from your previous post)
Protocol? Let me spell it out for you. This isn't a court of law so you dont have to speak like you're a cyber cop interviewing someone who's just broken into your intergalactic base. Also; 'dictates' seems like the wrong term to use here.

Basically what you were trying to say in that statement was:

The forum rules say that you should search for your suggestion before posting to make sure it's original.

Now. Wasn't that a little easier to digest?

Sorry about that; your grammar has been bugging me for a while...

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 05:03
#33
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

"I understand what you are saying but am respectfully asking you to stop pretending to be an expert on forum law encorcement."

I don't pretend to do anything. If anything, I say what I know, and say it how I know it. I dislike being referred to as an 'expert' in any field whatsoever, considering I don't think I'm capable of such levels of intelligence, despite what people may say about me

As for going outside: I don't like discussing my lack of a social life, but I don't deny it. Yeah, I don't have many friends. As such, I have pretty much nothing else to do. What I do with my excess time however, is not your concern. Just because I frequent on a forum instead of socializing is no reason to judge my posts any different.

Being more specific, I have considered it, and I don't care for it, on the account of 'nowhere to go and nothing to do'.

"it is neither your responsibility nor your right so I would appreciate it if you would stop your useless typing."

You were informed of protocol just now. Just because no-one's stopping you from doing something wrong doesn't mean you should go ahead and do it anyway. Your inability to take a correction just shows arrogance on your part.

The Admins only moderate the Suggestions forum when there are cases of personal attack or the like. They treat the Suggestions section more like an idea pool. They likely can't be bothered to read every single thread and pick at whatever's wrong, because that'd take too long and would be even more boring than the tedious fixes they have to do elsewhere as other parts of their jobs.

Relating to my earlier point that repeat threads just clutter the place and would be less likely to be read, considering the 'Ugh, this again' thought that comes by after reading a number of threads saying exactly the same thing.

'Useless typing'? Now you're really just being arrogant. I'm refraining from being an angry-poster right now, because I'm in no mood for it. So I'll just skip that part of my 'rant'.

As for the idea: "Whether that is through design mode is irrelevant and unnecessary."

Not true. Even if only a GM or Officer could change t, it stands that someone(s) could just spam different music selections and there'd be disorder. Also, I'm not entirely sure if changes to the Game's layout of an area can be changed so easily, hence the 'reboot' publishing the GH gives to reset the Music scheme.

In which case only Officers and GMs can confirm the selection anyway. Vets can make changes, but they are unable to publish.

@Kingprat:
"Also, I was wondering psycho, how come you always say your not going to launch into an angry rant and then you rant anyway?"

1) "Always"? I said it once. Singular.
2) Operative word is 'Angry'. In case you haven't noticed, the anger element of my posts is absent for the moment. Rant I still will, but the emotional aspect of the rant plays a fairly important part as well.

As for the bulk of your messages telling us to 'get over it already', you yourself seem incapable of accepting the fact that the standard method of 'Search before posting' had been breached. We're not asking for him or anyone to suddenly break down and apologize, before graveyarding the thread. The least a situation like this calls for is an acknowledgement of the breach and an understanding of what went wrong where; neither of you seem capable of managing that either.

"If you dont like the same idea getting repeated, why don't you just not read it?"

Despite the saying, Ignorance=/=Bliss. I could explain that point into oblivion, but there'd be no point to that either.

TL;DR:
Just because your superior isn't telling you off for doing something wrong doesn't mean it's right. At the very least, acknowledge what you're doing wrong and either work around it or discard it entirely. If you can't manage that, you have no right to tell people to stop telling you that you're wrong; you don't even acknowledge the mistake yourself.

As another side note, I'm prone to rants. Whether or not I make it an angry one is a different matter entirely.

As a repeated point, you're much more likely to be productive discussing things over with Severage. He actually knows what he's talking about. And I'm not saying that just because of his old Mega thread; I've known him longer than that, and he really does know what he talks about. Probably due to him thinking over GH suggestions longer than anyone else, when he was more active.

EDIT:
"your grammar is rather poor."

Don't even get started on my English. You want to insult me, insult my points. My Grammar is hardly 'atrocious', so calling it such is a gross exaggeration at best.

I could go into another rant entirely defending my use of terms and syntax, but the way I type is the way I speak (Speak being a relative term, considering I don't have many people to talk to. I'm better expressed in text anyway). Just because I don't follow your book doesn't make it wrong.

"Sorry about that; your grammar has been bugging me for a while..."

...Seriously? Insult me with hardly-valid points and then apologize? Yea-no.

"Sorry but it's true."

I could go on about what else is 'true' regarding this debate but I think I'll stop here.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 05:12
#34
Kingparat's picture
Kingparat
lets end this

Hey guys, I think this argument has gotten a bit out of hand. I'm sorry if I have offended anyone , but I think we should stop the issue now.

@psychodestroyer you've made some very valid points, and I respect that, I'm sorry for over criticiing your comments

I think now would be a sensible time to drop this issue, so I'm going to stop commenting now.

Anyways, thanks for the conversation guys! (I actually enjoyed it ) :)

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 05:36
#35
Bowlda's picture
Bowlda
Let's just drop it now.

I understand now that it is important to post original ideas on the forums so I'll be sure to use the search function next time.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 07:25
#36
Xenonguard's picture
Xenonguard
R.I.P Music Selection in Guild Halls

It may be a good idea to graveyard this too, for good measure.

Sun, 01/20/2013 - 11:32
#37
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

Not necessary, as long as he knows what's going on.

Also if he doesn't mind a large rantfest sitting on the first page.

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