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Wed, 01/30/2013 - 16:41
#51
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Damienfoxy
the cat rate needs to be

the cat rate needs to be upped. your math failed OOO fix this, or no one is gonna make any of this new gear

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 16:51
#52
Heimdallr's picture
Heimdallr

Me and a friend ran the mission earlier, and we saw 3 black kats. Now, the patch notes say in tier 3, they drop 3 ancient pages right?
The last two didn't drop any at all.

The scripted black kat spawns in that mission don't drop tokens, probably to prevent farming.

And I agree. I've done at least 10 runs involving candlestick keep, half of them being the Occurence at Owlite Keep mission, which has Cravat Hall III and Candlestick Keep (Quite a few kats), and I've only found 1.

At this rate, I'd be lucky to get a single 3* hat by the 13th.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 17:02
#53
Dmatter's picture
Dmatter
@heimdallr well, black kats

@heimdallr well, black kats ARE unlucky. :)

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 17:04
#54
Gkku's picture
Gkku
@Heimdallr:

While I see your point about scripted kat spawns likely made to not drop any tokens, I don't see how making them do so would allow farming.
Isn't that exactly why it's tagged "this mission can only be played once per day"?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 17:07
#55
Hazardfox's picture
Hazardfox
@Dmatter

the level you're talking about is Grim Gallery, the gates were changed as a result of the chance potentialy trapping players.
The update took place in the past months if i recall correctly, though the patch notes regarding it seem to be missing from the archive

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 17:19
#56
Halandin's picture
Halandin
Regarding the rag saying

Regarding the rag saying "this mission can only be played once per day," it still seems playable after doing it. How do you tell when it will give you pages again?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 17:19
#57
Sir-Alfred's picture
Sir-Alfred
This game trolls!

Guess what, I just did a t2 sapphire bishop gate run. No black kats, but a mewkat instead!!!! (my buddy killed it before i reached the pic button DX )

results so far:
black kat sightings : 0
mewkat sightings: 1

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 17:32
#58
Sykocaster's picture
Sykocaster
Hm...

I've gotten not one, but *two* Mewkats since the event started, but not a single Black Kat. (outside of the Prestige mission)

I'm not sure whether to be bummed out or not.

Also, @Halandin; You only get the reward once per day.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 17:41
#59
Chainguy's picture
Chainguy
I have so far found 3 Black

I have so far found 3 Black Kats, one in the first level of the Prestige mission and two in the Arcade, Candlestick Keep and Scarlet Fortress but both in the Arcade dropped one Ancient Page.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 17:53
#60
Pauling's picture
Pauling
The token vendor is located

An exciting event, and the new rewards look fun! But two minor nitpicks...

The token vendor is located in moorcroft manor, which means that players are charged a 200 crown fee just for the privilege of looking at the new items. And we're charged again and again with each subsequent visit.

Given the relevance to an ongoing event: could we please revisit the idea of removing elevator fees, which are an increasingly outdated and silly legacy of a pre-mission system of gameplay? Or at the very least, could we please only be charged the elevator fee when we actually go down the elevator?

Separately, I'm also hearing similar concerns in-game about the spawn rate of black kats. At the present rate (4 pages/day for the T3 mission), a player whose only source of pages was the one-a-day mission could expect to run 15 missions = 60 pages = 25% of the cost of a single 5* reward. I can understand the desire to limit mission rewards, but requiring someone to play the same event four years in a row for a single hat is pushing it.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 18:08
#61
Chainguy's picture
Chainguy
Just met my 4th Black Kat, it

Just met my 4th Black Kat, it spawned lots of Curse Zombies, dropped 3 pages.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 18:46
#62
Iapnez's picture
Iapnez
OOO, Increase the spawn rate

OOO, Increase the spawn rate of black Kats. This is absolutely ridiculous how I (and a couple of guildmates) have to spend hours just to find ONE. At least the Pumpkin King and Winterfest events were fair. You made the spawn rate like .01%. Heck, I've seen more Mewkats than Black Kats so far. -.-

Rock Jellies from Rock blocks: 5+
Mewkat sightings: 1
Black Kat sightings: 1

Ridiculous.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 18:51
#63
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

Well i got my black kat cowl :3 since the 3th black kat i killed give me the book the boss its awesome really :3 but its more awesome to get a black kat cowl and even comes unbound and 5 starss!!!

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 18:52
#64
Ghost-Of-Manlet's picture
Ghost-Of-Manlet
/e is giving up on this gayness.

Been at it since the update started. Havent sighted a single Black Kat.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 18:52
#65
Canozo's picture
Canozo
--

@Malsvir-Branea
Its a 5* drop, what do you expect?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 18:59
#66
Iapnez's picture
Iapnez
@CanozoIt's not a 5* drop.

@Canozo
It's not a 5* drop. It's a token drop, of which you need 200 to get a 5 star item. If they want to keep the book drop rate low, they could increase the Black Kat spawn rate and lower the book drop rate.

I'm not saying make them as common as a normal monster, but at least make them more common than a persistent rare monster (that won't be gone after the event).

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 19:01
#67
Doom-Xx's picture
Doom-Xx
Wait, bad luck? Don't black

Wait, bad luck?

Don't black cats (Kats) bring bad luck?

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 19:05
#68
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

blackkats sometimes drop a book along with the tokens. you must take the book to moocraft manor and give it to the konjuring kat and it will summon a boss. once the boss its defeated it will give you the black kat cowl 5 stars (unbound) but i admit its quite rare to get blackkats. i got my book on my third blackkat. but there a warning. if you have someone dead on the party and the blackkat drops the book. the one who is down in the party dont get the book. So be pretty careful when picking up books if some of your partners are dead.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 19:09
#69
Chainguy's picture
Chainguy
Just met two Black Kats in an

Just met two Black Kats in an single Candlestick keep, felt happy after that. Not giving up hope for that book, i want to solo that boss.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 19:28
#70
Eltia's picture
Eltia
Cooperstown, ND

I don't like the Black Kat portion of this update. Too much chances involved. You need to pick a map with Kats and then pray the Black Kat will spawn. And then when it does spawn, you can only hope it drops that book.

The three new craftable Kat hats are not that interesting. The bomber hat seems to be even better than Mad Bomber Hat (and it comes with Shadow resistance). Why don't you guys just make Mad Bomber set to have Shadow resistance instead?

Overall, I rank PK > Winterfest > Black Kat. PK is pretty fun and there is a reason why it's fun but this BK isn't.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 19:31
#71
Dmatter's picture
Dmatter
@guys who are complaining:

@guys who are complaining: This ENTIRE thing is based off of luck. black kats are unlucky, It ends on feburary 13 (13 is unlucky), and there are 13 days in the event. You derive from this. also @chainguy if you want to solo to be sure to get the drop, don't worry, it's given to everyone.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 19:38
#72
Chainguy's picture
Chainguy
@Dmatter oh gee thanks! It

@Dmatter oh gee thanks! It wasn't that as well, i want to solo it to feel awesome. I may not soloed every boss in this game yet (Ice Queen, Red Roarmulus Twins and Rabid Snarbolaxs are the ones remaining) but i do it for a challenge.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 19:48
#73
Chainguy's picture
Chainguy
I noticed that the Prestige

I noticed that the Prestige Mission tomorrow is diffrent, it's got an diffrent name (Bad Luck and Brimstone), info at end is diffrent and the picture is 2 Black Kats instead of one.

From what i am guessing, the Black Kat spawn rate will increase over the days in the event till the point half of the kats will be Black Kats or more but i am just guessing because what i noticed.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 20:01
#74
Iapnez's picture
Iapnez
Chainguy: That actually

Chainguy: That actually sounds really plausible! If that's the case, then I'll probably retract my statement and wait to see how fun this gets. I hope that they do increase because the bad luck will increase on the way toward the 13th, right? I'll craft my chaos set and be patient for the kitties.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 20:24
#75
Dmatter's picture
Dmatter
@chainguy that sound VERY

@chainguy that sound VERY plausable, yet not plausable at the same time. Let's wait and see. Also, so far it seems that you will get 12 tokens everyday on average for me on t3. Maybe I am just lucky.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 20:33
#76
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

umm also could be the level Theme. for example the one of this day its about venom theme. probably the one of tomorrow would be fire. but its a thought. but the cat number its the one that make me wonder if it will give more tokens as rewards or more black kats to fight.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 20:42
#77
Iapnez's picture
Iapnez
Well people, we'll be able to

Well people, we'll be able to figure it out in about four hours!

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 20:46
#78
Chainguy's picture
Chainguy
Sucks through i have to go to

Sucks through i have to go to school at 8:10 AM but hoping to be back at least 11:40AM.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 22:46
#79
Gesanna's picture
Gesanna
As nice as the added 3D

As nice as the added 3D models in tool tips are, could we get option to disable them? I find them very distracting and space waste. I'd love to have them on by default but be able to disable them if I wish to do so.

Also the icons in minimap, ability to switch some or all of them off would be nice along with some kind of legend what every icon means. If I'm looking for Brinks, removing all but him from icons would help me find him faster.

Wed, 01/30/2013 - 23:30
#80
Tenkii's picture
Tenkii
@Pauling and the cr entry fee

I will share the ancient knowledge of the Arcade with you:

- If you complete the previous tier in an arcade gate (aka reach Moorcraft from the last floor in t1), the entry fee for that tier goes away.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:17
#81
Evilnut's picture
Evilnut
The black kat rate is indeed

The black kat rate is indeed ridiculous. And you need 600 tokens to get the three five star helms. Or if you like how the 4* version looks, even more.

I wonder how some people get one so fast. An army of alts (all with elevator pass) to help get more tokens for the fetish mats, and an army of players to play those accounts 24*7?

It almost seem OOO doesn't want us to have the kat helm, a helm so revered by the community since its removal. Huge amount of tokens, 13 days only, super low black kat spawn rate, extreme luck dependent boss spawn.

Why even bother release it to the players, if you are doing it like this? Just save it for the Game masters to use?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:22
#82
Canine-Vladmir's picture
Canine-Vladmir
D: I killed a mewkat.

Cant find a Dark Kat anywhere!
And yet again a mewkat spawns, startles me and i kill it. D:

I dont like how little we get. about 7 each day.
But barvo to OOO for making it anti-alts. Notice how you get ur reward at end and its only for players in T2 up

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 06:33
#83
Leafblader's picture
Leafblader
moo

Yesterday I found 2 black kats in tier 3 ruby bishop gate and was in a gremlin danger room for over an hour (stupid mender).
So i find 2 after doing stratum 5 ruby bishop gate twice.
Then my friend yahmon finds 9 black kats in a single stratum 4 prestige mission.
Also I love everything about the black kat.
I like fighting carnavons.
The big boss kat needs to be buffed.
I saw the video of it and I know its a tier 2 boss but it still is too easy.
It should get a health buff and be able to spawn carnavons.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 08:07
#84
Drestroy's picture
Drestroy
ok

ok good thanks now to get that book.....

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 10:20
#85
Eltia's picture
Eltia
Cooperstown, ND

Kat rates seem to have been increased.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:16
#86
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

i have a doubt: if i use the Dark ritual book with a party:

Everyone will get the black kat cowl?
will be a random person choosen to be the owner of the kat cowl?
or only the owner of the book get the cowl and everyone in the party need a book to get a cowl?

Also: it always give a 5 stars black kat cowl? or give the helm according to the Knight Rank?. Thanks!

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:22
#87
Pauling's picture
Pauling
Seiran, I'm aware that you

Seiran, I'm aware that you can avoid a 200 crown fee by playing the previous tier- but spending half a day's mist allocation being forced to play Tier 1 is neither fun nor cost-effective. There's no good reason for the fee to exist in the first place.

To share even more ancient lore of the clockworks:
The fee was instituted in earlier days when the ringers wanted to encourage experienced players to mix with new folks, to ensure that T1 players always had someone to play with. Eventually other ways of getting players to mingle were added, and missions were introduced- which provided really nice ways to play high-level stuff directly without a fee.

So nowadays, the fee is just a tax on people who play something other than missions. Since this patch means that the fee now affects people who are just trying to look at a crafting machine, this is a good time to revisit the issue.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 12:49
#88
Iron-Dragon-Guild's picture
Iron-Dragon-Guild
'inventory full' icon

the new 'inventory full' icon which pops up all over the playing field on vials and caps seems kind of pointless and adds a bit too much clutter on the screen in my opinion. i would rather be able to see more of the battle field and the monsters, than icons which are easily replaced by just looking up at the vial slots at the top of my screen for .1 nanoseconds.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:10
#89
Aphrodite's picture
Aphrodite
Community Manager
The Ancient Page tokens will

The Ancient Page tokens will not expire at the end of the event. In addition, Montague, the token trader, and the Moorcroft Alchemy Station will remain in Moorcroft Manor. If you don't get enough tokens this time, you will be able to save up and find more when the event runs again in the (near) future.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 14:12
#90
Dragonuity's picture
Dragonuity
How rare are ancient tomes?

How rare are ancient tomes? Can you give me a percentage?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:00
#91
Chainguy's picture
Chainguy
It's possible to get the 600

It's possible to get the 600 tokens needed to get all the helms or if you are lucky, get the Dark Ritual Book.

I mathed that if you collect at least 50 pages a day from the start of the event, you will have enough on the 12th day. Because of the low spawn rate of the Black Kats, this will be hard to reach as you need luck most of the time.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:29
#92
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

i do like 62 per day :3 its only matter to have friends hunting down blackkats like pumking nest. help friends and they will help you.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 15:50
#93
Likal's picture
Likal
Another question

Oh, quick question. Even if I agree with people that the numbers need tweaking, the idea of a repeating game-lore event appeals to me. Any plans to do something similar for Emberlight (or even Haven)?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:18
#94
Chainguy's picture
Chainguy
I feel like the Black Kat

I feel like the Black Kat spawn rate needs to be upped a little. As of now, i have not found any for the past 2-6 hours i been hunting.

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 16:55
#95
Ndcoten's picture
Ndcoten
Event frequency

So is there any word on how often we might expect to see this event come around again, and for how long at a time?

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 18:41
#96
Doom-Xx's picture
Doom-Xx
Saw a black kat today. Gave me 1 token

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 20:00
#97
Chainguy's picture
Chainguy
I just noticed, the Black Kat

I just noticed, the Black Kat Crowl is more of a upgrade for the Snarbolax cap when using it for freeze themed levels like Heart of Ice. Now you will get Ultra Damage Bonus unless of course you use BTS instead. But still, it's a great upgrade.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 00:07
#98
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

Honestly I think this event is badly thought out.

I am basing my judgement on the moral : One should be rewarded for how hard he worked. Basically meritocracy.

It can't be placed on the aspect of luck, by trying to find a black kat. This is similar to winterfest, where the humbug hat is dropped by luck. This means some guy can get the hat on their first try, and some others take 50 confirmed kills to get 1. It is not such a fair event.

Yes, elevator passes come in, and everyone can farm. Technically you paid to get an incentive, this incentive is going for more runs, thus increasing chances of getting a hat. But what if some free to play player gets their hat on the first try, and those who paid for elevator passes get their hats after 6 hours of non-stop hunting?

So generally, I think a better aspect, which is gathering tokens, is worth better than hoping black kats spawn here and there.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 02:17
#99
Byas's picture
Byas
> and those who paid for

> and those who paid for elevator passes get their hats after 6 hours of non-stop hunting?

I wish I was that lucky, I've been grinding it since the update only pausing to sleep/eat/bathroom/little break so I don't smash my pc to pieces and haven't found a single freaking book. This rate is simply ridiculous, and if it wasn't enough they make it go to only one party member so I can't even go with some friends to relieve the stress. I'm starting to sell the token materials instead of getting hats for me and I already got 500k cr in a day, at this pace I can buy a gazillion books before it even drops (now that is what I call a great drop rate, huh it was even better after this wonderful patch that made this easy to get item have a more "balanced" rate that while destroying the meaning of parties also makes people have their individuality so that they don't need no coop in a coop game, nice job OOO).

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 03:30
#100
Yikkscastle's picture
Yikkscastle
luck and black kats

Hmm, from what i see, im a really lucky guy! almost everytime i run candlestick keep, i get a black kat, i once got 5 kats inna row, one mission after the other and i always share my finds so my friends when im hunting are always keeping their eyes on me :) I literally got the 4* mask in 2 nights, plus i found a few love pups, but no book...

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