I have been reading this for awhile and as a bomber here are my ideas to make it so chaos is more glass cannon like without messing up mad bomber.

1. As some have said making it normal only would make it more glass like, but I feel it would still be strong even then. Maybe instead of having only normal defence giving it only elemental defence(it makes sense as its a magic set). This way the Chaos set can keep the VH bonuses but will make people more careful as they will die a lot faster.

2. Give the set only a universal high bonus fro CTR and DMG. This would be done by giving one piece a low CTR and a med DMG while the other piece has the opposite. This will make the mad bomber more useful for bombers again and chaos useful for everyone(mainly hybrid players).

Both of these changes will make the set unique but still usable by all three types of weapons. Now I know my ideas will upset people but with a hybrid set like this you have to think of other more specialized sets. Specialized sets should always be more powerful, it is the same way normal and split damage weapons compare.

...why doesn't it just get a massive status debuff? Double all the buffs/debuffs why not.
Setting the status resistances to negative Max would mean carrying even one piece would be powerful, but require a calculated trade-off unless you don't mind immolating to death at the first whiff of brimstone.

Regardless, the current consensus seems to be "revert it and give it universal ASI low", which I disagree with. ASI is too useful defensively, and they explicitly stated it was for a glass-cannon setup.
If you're going to revert bonuses, it would probably be wiser to revert one bonus on each piece (e.g.: CTR med DMG low on helm and CTR low DMG med on armor) so the full set is knocked down a peg but still has the same shtick.

Well if everyone is just going to use the chaos set what is the use of the other armor? Ever since the chaos set has been buffed With Ctr and Dmg bonus med the Wolver line and Mad bomber line will be useless now...
(other than being a costume) Whats next 000 Piercing defense on chaos set?

Yes shadow, we SHOULD have imbalanced gear so everyone ends up running around in the 1 same OP gear set. We all want zero diversity in this game, don't we? WHY DIDN'T THEY THINK OF THIS BEFORE? IT'S GENIUS!

That Black Kat Cowl. Kat Cowl with Merc Mail. Speed Boost of a Full Merc Set while negating it's negative shock Resist in Lockdown. Then there's Damage Bonus Ultra on Swords and High on Guns....Seems Chaos isn't the only thing that appears to be broken on paper.

Wut if we added an Attack Speed Decrease: low, per Chaos piece?

ASD VH would be too much Attack Speed Decrease, so Medium ASD total is good. Chaotic Boom, Death, Destructionnnnn, but a little slower. Who says chaos has to be fast/normal pace?

No need to remove hp, reduce resistances, change the CTR or Damage Bonuses, none of that stuff. I believe that this debuff is perfect to balance the buffs of the Chaos set. CTR and Damage Bonus are both debuffed slightly due to the ASD. While still being a glass cannon, this armor now takes more skill to use with the Attack Speed Decrease.

(I'd like to put ASD medium per piece, but I realize that not everybody has access to a Swiftstrike buckler, or ASI increase variants, and Magic set doesn't look that heavy to warrant such a speed decrease)

Bam! Original Content FTW!

My humble suggestion is that for people who use chaos equipment to have their Last stand/sonic mode removed. Or, alternatively, remove their invincibility frames. Im sure think this will make them "glass" enough.

The problem with swapping out asi with ctr is the poeple who used chaos to mix in bombs into their arsenal would feel the change hard (myself included).

My ideas would be:
1. Have one piece with low dmg and med ctr, with the reverse for the other piece. This way, it could be mixed in with "purer" class sets to customise it.
2. Revert the ctr to what it was. It would still be a cannon, it would just take longer to reload.
3. Remove the health bonus. Though that would mean lag spike = dead.
4. Make it a true jack-of-all-stats. Low dmg, asi, ctr and possibly msi per piece.

Since we're (almost) all agreeing on chaos being nerfed, should I start a new topic in the arsenal on how to nerf it? It's getting a bit messy here.

~The crazy guy with the bad connection who still runs around in chaos and hipster gear.

A few different ways to go with this:

1: Chaos set gives a negative health bonus like the striker sheild.

2:Make defense more important. Maxed defense bars should provide 80+% damage reduction instead of 50%, trim all of the offensive based sets to compensate. Normal damage could perhaps provide damage reduction to all damage types but only at half effectiveness.

3: Give Mad bomber and both merc sets one additional level of MSI for each piece.

4: Fuse time reduction as a buff for bomber sets would be nice

5: Chaos set could give a total of high dmg/ctr vs VH.

Chaos set looks great for void runs. Working on some magic gear with medium posin UV's so that it isn't weak to those slimes, otherwise all the other status weaknesses are completely overlooked. Might get an AoA since I don't have to worry about breaking ally freeze on those zombies.

Oh, just noticed something;
"...said to grant the wearer protection within the nameless realm where all elements are said to converge into one and divide into all. "
The void?

The game pushes for specialization. Now this one general use set is on par with the Mad Bomber and arguably the wolver lines, and the black cat cowl has the potential to be better (cannon-wise) than the gunslinger sets. Either the specialties need a buff, or chaos cowl a debuff besides status. Keeping this to Mad bomber and Chaos:

Mad Bomber buff possibilities
*High damage bonus per piece>> no +med shield, dev's hate giving msi, ctr high would be useless, defense bonus takes away "mad" aspect, asi useless

Chaos debuff possibilities
*Change ctr to low>> gives bombers incentive to use MB over chaos
*Add movement speed decrease low >> gives incentive to NOT use bombs with this set, thus propping Mad up indirectly
*Make bonuses apply to only swords or guns and NOT bombs >> separates Chaos from Mad completely. This would be my recommendation.
*Partially or completely remove normal defense >> the set is defined as an elemental set (read description text), turns Chaos into complete glass cannon

suggestion preference (in order listed): 2, 4, 1, 3

No idea why Chaos of all things would get MSD. Seriously out of place.

As for the idea of Chaos having its bonuses in the Void, which I presume is the Unknown Passage...have you ever thought of how useless it would make it? Nevermind Chaos being unpopular when all it had was universal damage bonus low per piece, I would question why I even made it in the first place other than for the looks. Why would you make equipment fit only for an area that's going to cost you $4 worth in energy to visit once? Even if it was intended to tack onto the previous bonuses without removing it otherwise it just seems like an unnecessary addition for a far-too specific scenario.

I just want whatever's going to happen to do so quickly.

+1. This is a balancing problem, one which the Devs made it clear that they took it very seriously.

I (and many others) just want you guys to put money at where your mouth is, that's all.

No idea why Chaos of all things would get MSD. Seriously out of place.

Because the point of my suggestions were to make Mad Bomber preferable to Chaos set. Movement speed decrease would be a hindrance to bombing, thus making Mad bomber more viable again.

Having high bonuses on equipment by default makes those useless.

Normally you would have a point, except that for sword users a DB trinket is already wasted if you have Skolver/Snarby set and DBS. Gun and bombers have no such shield that would max damage without a trinket, so giving them a way to is both fair and has precedents. Unlikely, yes. But still.

Besides we would also have to add bonuses to the forgotten "defensive" armors (jelly, dread skelly)

Not necessarily. Those are not in direct competition with the Chaos set. Only sets that grant a bonus for a specific weapon type towards all creature types would need to be changed. However, yes, simply debuffing Chaos would be much simpler and in my opinion better

However, yes, simply debuffing Chaos would be much simpler and in my opinion better

English. Do you read it? And besides the fact just giving a proper gun/bomb shield to us has been something the dev's have refused to do for almost two years, the thread is about making the Mad Bomber set worthwhile again in and of itself, and not by adding new gear.

Anywho, since people are getting fixated on one part and not taking things in context, edit time.

I am not sure if someone mention that yet, I don't want to read all the pages.

Did anyone notice that Chaos didn't only render the Mad Bomber useless, it rendered Shadowsun too ! Now, there is no need for Shadowsun, especially when you can get Max CTR and DMG VH on guns, which is the best 2 things for guns. So... how many sets are the victims now ?

1. Mad Bomber

2. Shadowsun

3. Bombastic

4. Volcanic Demo

5. What else...

@Shidara
You make it sound like something named Chaos is supposed to follow the established order and rules. Or you've never played BL2 and used the Bane. And you can still avoid things pretty well even with MSD. Now would I say this is something that should be done, not really. I simply listed possibilities that prop up Mad Bomber over chaos. I even say which would be my preference. You, however, have consistently done nothing but fixate on one part of someones post that you hate and completely miss the context even when you agree with my first Chaos possibility listed

@Dragneel
I mentioned it, but people become uptight about how we'd supposedly have to buff EVERYTHING in response. And it is quite simpler to simply debuff Chaos. They also do have the differences Aurate mentioned

@Aurate
Good points. Especially how any change needs to be done quick

@everyone
it would appear that CTR drop to low is a generally agreeable consensus. Does anyone actually disagree with that, or have new suggestions (besides new gear, even though bomber could use a few)?

That could work, but I feel like ctr low would hurt bombing more and damage med help the other weapons with Chaos, separating the two glass cannons better.

It's a fair point. The armor has been unbalanced for years. Of course, we're saying things we've said many times already. Cheers.

Just an extra bomb damage low per piece can change everything, please consider.

Oh! Never thought of that, I like it. So with just CTR med UV's on all your bombs you're able to max out everything about bombs except ASI which is irrelevant anyway. And you won't need to fully heat all your utility bombs earlier on which makes it VERY noob-friendly but I still think it's a bit too much and unreasonable to ask for. I'd still just settle for CTR med + DMG high per piece as it's all you need anyway, this would encourage people to buy CTR UV'd bombs for PvP use if they like going striker that much which will mean the game gets some profit out of it, otherwise bombers would ONLY use mad bomber, we don't want it the absolute best and only bombing set, we want it to be the best all rounder option where you don't need any trinkets to max bombs so you could focus on other stuff.

Mad bomber deserves a buff anyways, even if chaos is nerfed, too; bombs are underpowered a lot of the time when compared to guns and swords, and going full bomber with negative risk deserves a preeety big reward. Nevertheless, chaos (and Black Kat) still need a nerf; generalist gear should not be the top choice even when only using 1 weapon type.