Spiral Knights - "Spirit of the Game"

"Spirit of the Game"

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Mon, 02/04/2013 - 14:50

Sweet-Chili-Sauce

ToS:
14. engage in any behavior that is contrary to the 'spirit of the game'
as defined by Three Rings in its sole discretion. This includes the
manipulation of the game environment.

Do you guys think, boosting points in GLD violates the spirit of the game? Not giving other guilds the chance to legitimately show their worth in the leader boards? Watching guilds try to beat team after team, wasting crs and ce to overcome a certain guild. JUST to lose it because they boost rank points on their alt. guild. It's depressing to see how they manipulate the boards, after a guild's hard earned work goes to waste. Just knowing minutes later, not only as one guild surpassed you, but their alt guild is right behind.

Common excuses from a guild that "shall not be named" (cough cough ahem ahem.. rhymes with empire).
"There's no one to play."
- Well when you play at 2-4 AM, of course majority of Guilds won't have a 6 man team. So, you take advantage of this aspect and start playing their alt. guild. So, yes this excuse is just perfect. If you want to play each other so badly, why don't you take advantage of RLD and Q together like what a lot of other guilds do to have fun in this game.

It's funny to observe what they would go though when this empire guild sees the leader boards being taken over. They automatically go to their Minion guild. It's like clock work. Someone is in the lead. Minions to the rescue! Let's get a big 20k rank point lead.

What's the difference from someone Looping on their alt.? OOO clearly got rid of looping a long time ago. They're not particularly gaining crs or ce, but they're gaining rank points. There's no point trying to convince this empire team that these tactics are just discrediting their so called accomplishments.

Just once, I'd like to see this empire team, actually prove they're so called fake gloating that they're the #1 Guild in GLD history, and not stack points. In my opinion they have killed GLD. It's funny to see when the Empire guild Q up, and then all the other guilds just UnQ. Not because they're scared. Because this guild's tactics are nothing but... Unsportsmanlike. The spam, the ce revs, and the ce revs. Another reason why there's no one to play. You killed the spirit of the game play.

There's not much left that can be completely entertaining with SK. So once you've done vana and depths a 100 times over it's nice to go and play a little LD or GLD, but when you have an entire guild trying to manipulate the game for their "accomplishments" well, it just gets boring. People stop playing. Retiring. Quitting. Etc...

Do I take this game too seriously? Probably. But at least I don't spend hours on end to stack points. You can say all you want about this post, but I know there are a ton of people that have been wanting to say this. Am I an Alt.? Probably. It's good to be anonymous sometimes, because I can openly express my thoughts, the thoughts that A LOT of people agree with. I probably won't come back on the forums to read your responses, but it's nice to spread the word. :)

I'm in no means part of those big LD guilds like Rig, Aequi, EoS, and or Imperv nor do I represent any of them. Just an old school player that doesn't like to see where this game is heading. I do respect those guilds though. For having the patience to deal with such blatant use of unsportsmanlike conduct.

From the best thing to dunk your nuggets in,
Sweet-Chili-Sauce

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 14:51

Iron-Volvametal

You lost me at Guild Lockdown.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 15:01

Krakob

You do make a point.

But you lost me when I realised I wasn't wearing my glasses. Anywho, "the spirit of the game" could use better definition.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 15:49

Reqy

They really need to revamp

They really need to revamp the scoring system especially with all the tactics being displayed especially these past few weeks. Not just with 'the guild' you have in mind, but other tactics some other guilds have been using to 'compete' for the 'top' spot. It's definitely not good for the sk community(or at least those who care).

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 15:54

Generic-Bush

The "spirit of the game" Died when Sega took over, If you don't believe me look at all the sonic games they make, and now look at all the recolored stuff we get.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 18:04

Byas

> If you don't believe me look at all the sonic games they make

Looks at Sonic 1, 2, 3, Colors, Generations, CD, & Knuckles, Unleashed, Adventure... I don't see your point.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 18:11

Iron-Volvametal

Quote: Byas

"Looks at Sonic 1, 2, 3, Colors, Generations, CD, & Knuckles, Unleashed, Adventure..."

Wait, you forgot Sonic '0-

Oh...

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 18:36

Flowchart

Anyone who might care about this already knows what they do, and you don't get anything for being ranked first anyway. If they want to delude themselves let them.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 19:32

Byas

> Wait, you forgot Sonic '0-

Please, don't make me remember that abomination. `A`
But all I'm saying is that they had their bad moments (looks at 06, black knight, and other bad sonic games), but by the looks of it SEGA is back on the right track with the new ones (Unleashed was good, werehog aside; Colors was good; Generations was awesome). And that is without mentioning some other good games they made this generation (Valkyria Chronicles, Project Diva, All Stars Racing).

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 19:37

Iron-Volvametal

@Byas

The adventure series will always have a place in my heart.

...

Except Big.

[Woopwoopwoopwoopwoop] you & your fishing, Big.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:51

#10

Sweet-Chili-Sauce

This guild reminds me of

This guild reminds me of Chris. "I'm the best!" "#1!!!" For...? Playing themselves... They're not even classy winners. I'm not prejudice against all from this guild. I know some are cool. But to be honest, how can you join a guild that continues to play like this? Just baffles me.

@Reqy. It's not the point system. It's your lack of legitimacy. Also, what other tactics are you talking about that these other guilds are doing? Maybe I'm being biased, but please educate me on your perspective.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 20:40

#11

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Do you guys think, boosting points in GLD violates the spirit of the game?

It does in fact violates the spirit of the game, boosting can result in bans on multiple serious games...

Does it really affect you in Spiral Knights? Not really... Yes something should be done to prevent rank point boosting but it isn't such a big deal...

It would be against the ToS if being number 1 granted you a mask or something but the way things are now... It's just pitiful on both end. Boosting themselves and whining because they boost themself

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 21:20

#12

Traevelliath

Something you may not realize... there is this option to "Spectate" games. While waiting for mist, I've watched a few Jempire vs Jempire Waiting List matches. Believe it or not, it isn't one team going afk, while the other sips tea and smacks a few heads. They are legitimate fights, just arranged within the guild.

Also, I remember several guilds outdoing Jempire on the LD leaderboards at their prime. It isn't an impossible feat. Off the top of my head, I believe Grundel Warriors, Dark Guardians, Wolf Pack Party...

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 21:23

#13

Oatmonster

Lick Number 58425

Silly OOO, isn't the whole point of the arcade and gate creation manipulation of the game environment?

So that's why they killed the arcade; and if it's not dead, then mortally wounded with multiple puncture wounds in the ankle.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 22:06

#14

Mzculet

Inb4 jempirates

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 22:13

#15

Bacon-Strip

"oh it's this thread

"oh it's this thread again"

Isn't naming and shaming other players/guilds clearly against TOS?

Dip your nuggets in that.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:13

#16

Sweet-Chili-Sauce

Shaming? Naming? Didn't Name

Shaming? Naming? Didn't Name the guild nor did I shame them. They do that to themselves on a regular basis. Nor do I see the word, shaming on the ToS. Clearly you're mistaken, sir.

Dips my nuggets in with great happiness.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:16

#17

Bacon-Strip

I'll gladly dip my nuggets in

I'll gladly dip my nuggets in your tears. Keep these threads coming.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:20

#18

Whats-His-Face

Boosting? No.

Jempire does not boost for points. The score is never 500/900 to 0. We have legitimate fights for not only training purposes, but for fun. And the Minions of Jempire usually win the fights anyway! And if you don't believe us about Minions being strong, come fight us yourself. ;)

hXc

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:20

#19

Soothsayerboomer

Actuuaallyyyy...

you said jemps in one of your comments before this one so you did name us and this IS shaming, if anything though if you wanna stop minions hop in, they have taken down guilds before. But i wont name them ( hint its rig)

Also i think im in love with you <3

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:22

#20

Soothsayerboomer

woops

well :3

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:21

#21

Soothsayerboomer

Actuuaallyyyy...

Also i think im in love with you <3

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:21

#22

Breaker-Xd

Stahp.

I actually respect Jempire quite a lot; although they are elitist (guys, don't deny it :P), they are a powerful and helpful part of the SK community. Take for instance Jempire Story, the Christmas 16-bit RPG version of SK that their programmers worked their butts off to make. Now it that's not "the spirit of the game", then I'll be a haze bomber.

While playing against a minion guild may seem like a "shameful" tactic, I too have watched matches between MoJ and Jemps, and it seems like they're legit matches (albeit the Jemps have more skilled players, and almost always pull of clean wins) However, there was no lack of enthusiasm in either side, and while there was a lot of CE reving and "spamming" (actually, time out, who the heck even cares about spamming anymore? EVERYONE spams, and the widely accepted definition of spam is basically "attacking!", which is completely ridiculous.), the game was definitely exciting to watch.

I've also seen guilds surpass the Jemps on leaderboard, so they're also by no means THE ONLY #1.

(Guys if you would, play more T2 with us! It's really fun and different from T3)

TL;DR:

Jemps are friends, not food.
They play LD srsly, even if they play Minions

-T2 Lockdown Fiend

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:30

#23

Whats-His-Face

Oh noes!

[COMMENT REMOVED BY THE COMMUNIST JEMPIRE]

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:25

#24

Soothsayerboomer

Damn,

Now im in love with breaker.
Anyway i dont think we are "elitist" because we dont have any gear or skill tests like some other guilds (i wont name them this time <3)
And if you have been on our forums you'll know we only look for personality and activity.

check it out if you havent :P

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:28

#25

Breaker-Xd

eeh...

Well, I bring up "elitist" mostly because of the "Jempire Waiting List" that exists (or maybe ceased to exist?).

I understand the popularity, and the need for the list, but it makes the guild feel exclusive and elusive.

Don't get me wrong, y'alls are great people (at least, the ones I've talked to are), you're just too popular XD

And yes, I've read your forums :P

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:30

#26

Troupe-Forums

This made my day

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:35

#27

Shoutentenshu

hugsss

actualy we have been the only #1 for quite a bit now (score resets after a week) and thats prob why this topic was made

i would also like to clear some things out not defending our guild (i think?) but this so called 'spirit of the game'... you see there are alot of things that dont match this 'spirit of the game' like not having players to fight, inviting players from other guilds because you cant win with your own members, spawn camping, paying players to lose not paying them to play but to lose, switching regions to avoid a guild, switching tiers to avoid a guild, having a player named huntr in their guild, having a player named ruby in thier guild and sooo many more.

now come gimmie a big fat hug =D

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:37

#28

Soothsayerboomer

But but but

Well the reason we have a waiting list isnt to turn people away, i can tell you that much right now. But any waiting list member is able to do anything a main guild member can do basically.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:39

#29

Sweet-Chili-Sauce

I am sad at how depressing

I am sad at how depressing you guys handle your business. Like I said in my previous post there's no point in trying to convince you guys that you're obviously boosting. When you're down in the leader boards you go straight for Minions. Also, correct me but I don't see any of my posts actually writing your guild name. Empire? Hmmm... Also Like I said, I'm not in any part of any big guild. No one wants to play you guys because there's no point to go for the leader boards when you guys will boost points early in the morning hours when no one will obviously be on. So, please keep using that excuse, you're just justifying my post. Whether Minions win or lose, you guys still get rank points. Another poor excuse to justify your means of boosting. If you didn't want this, do what every other guild does and join RLD together. Why don't you guys boost up the low numbers of people playing RLD these days. If you want to help the SK community out rather than killing it with your boring tactics.

Also, before even spectating mode everyone knows you guys have been doing this for a long time. People have seen you guys idle. Not to mention the various Screen Shots that have been posted on this "ohh this thread again" topic.

Please, I'll tear when you guys actually have something better to say then

Can I get an order of small fries with my nuggets please. Thanks.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:42

#30

Soothsayerboomer

teehee

" Playing themselves... They're not even classy winners. I'm not prejudice against all jemps. "

You're wrong <3

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:49

#31

Sweet-Chili-Sauce

@ shou

Well from what I know, majority of those other "older" LD guilds are inactive. So where else do you expect them to go? I haven't seen too many Merc Allstar players that have gone to a guild for just a week. I also doubt there are people that will pay a person CE these days to play for them. They need it for ce revs, remember?

Spawn camping? LOL Please sir. Spam polaris on the spawn is all you guys do for the most part. I've seen your bombers spawn bomb. Where's the fun in that? If you guys want people to actually recognize you guys as a legit guild. Drop minions for a month and see what happens.

I believe the only guilds that play EU are EoS and Imperv. If I recall both teams have a good deal amount of EU players, but I could be wrong. I don't know them personally. But from the matches I've seen, most of their team consist of EU players on either side.

Also, it's not like your guild hasn't recruited some top tier players. I can name a few, but rather not "shame" those players for joining.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 23:50

#32

Sweet-Chili-Sauce

Ahh Yes, I was mistaken,

Ahh Yes, I was mistaken, pardon me while I edit my post so I'm not directly naming this guild.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 00:02

#33

Feline-Grenadier

Erm...

"Also, before even spectating mode everyone knows you guys have been doing this for a long time. People have seen you guys idle. Not to mention the various Screen Shots that have been posted on this "ohh this thread again" topic." From you.

But before that I saw...

"Something you may not realize... there is this option to "Spectate" games. While waiting for mist, I've watched a few Jempire vs Jempire Waiting List matches. Believe it or not, it isn't one team going afk, while the other sips tea and smacks a few heads. They are legitimate fights, just arranged within the guild." From trae.

So...

I'm not sure everyone thinks that the Jemps even boost like that. Also, wouldn't it take a hell of a long time to do GvG boost with minion guilds? I don't think even most Jemps would be on around the odd hours. There is something called "time zone" ya know >.>

Anyhow, I've always thought rule #14 as a swear and sore-loser repellent. On top of that, "the spirit of the game" has to be defined, so...
I'm sure it's up to 000 to decide if Jempire is in the wrong or not.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 00:06

#34

Soothsayerboomer

The point

Well no point in trying to knock down a wall with my forehead and give myself a headache, Think what you want about us, say what you want about us, but its not going to change us, now if you excuse me we have flash mobs to do :3

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 00:20

#35

Sweet-Chili-Sauce

Forgive me for my poor

Forgive me for my poor diction. "Most people" already know they've boosted in the past. Also, it doesn't take that long to gain a 20K rank point lead. As was an example of Sunday Morning around 2-4AM PST. So yes it is possible for one of the biggest guilds in SK to accomplish this.

Also, I remember a post back in the day where a GM stated that looping with alts. was against the ToS. Hence, why some coding went into taking it away. Krogmo tokens, crs, and rank points are being given to the players. Using alts to gain these, is in sense the same concept?

It's sad that you won't change. Hence why a lot of people don't recognize your guild as a legit team. I would figure if you wanted to truly prove this post wrong. Drop minions for a month, and see what happens. I bet it will boost gld play, rld play and get some people to actually want to play.

If you guys are getting bored playing with yourself, then stop doing what most guilds absolutely detest about you guys. It's an easy fix, isn't it?

I do tear for the good LD players that actually stopped playing these days because of you guys. Spectating LD was fun watching them play skillfully. I'll dip my nuggets in those tears. Thanks for ruining GLD.

- Sweet-Chili-Sauce

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 00:35

#36

Mega-Happy-Funtime

"a guild that "shall not be named" (cough cough ahem ahem.. rhymes with empire)"

Yeah, you're not being clever.

"Well when you play at 2-4 AM, of course majority of Guilds won't have a 6 man team."

No, the problem is that the Jempire is so big and active that they ALWAYS have a team ready. They can get a group of 6 nearly any time of the day. They just have enough players to field 2 teams in the evenings.

"Because this guild's tactics are nothing but... Unsportsmanlike. The spam, the ce revs, and the ce revs."

Every big LD spams polaris while capturing a point. Why not? It's better than sitting on the point doing nothing. Every big LD guild ce revs. We're all at endgame, so we don't have anything else to do with our mist. If anything, blame the elevator passes. That single-handedly increased the ce revs in LD 10x.

"I'm in no means part of those big LD guilds like Rig, Aequi, EoS, and or Imperv nor do I represent any of them."

Oh, I get it. You're bad at LD so you rage at the Jemps because they're better than you. I'm not a Jemp, but I am in one of those "big LD guilds" you mentioned. I won't say which one so I don't "represent" them. We enjoy playing the Jemps often. They're quite the handful. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. And the Minions are usually serious matches. We've made good teams to "intercept" them while they're playing, and we've lost to their "boosting" guild. A couple of their members definitely need their attitudes taken down a notch, but in general, they smack talk less than most other guilds.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 00:35

#37

Euclidean-Space

You say you want to fight for training purposes right?
There's RLD for you, you can not only deal with your own guildies randomly placed in different teams but as well as cooperating with other random people for a common goal of 'winning'. However, you guys chose to boost both guild's points and use that 'wer tRaiNIngggg' as an excuse.

I do admit they're one of the elitist guilds in this game, not only all that double/triple max on those ugly skolvers and asi VH on almost everything they use but also they do help the community. True thing. The 16-bit SK, some other fun activities.

However having played several GLD matches with this guild makes me dislike them, try to avoid them. Why? It's simply pathetic, 4 people shooting that gun on one capture point, surely I won't entitle that to 'spamming' but it's simply disgraceful and annoying. Lagging my FPS, and having one bar makes me unable to express my real power, getting hit and shocked before seeing the bullets, accusing me as whiner when what is too obvious to say AT, that hammer. Stupid Polaris, my favourite gun ruined by those LD players, you can use that gun in style but can also shoot it around brainlessly like a headless fly. Why not style? (And also someone in this guild please waste more CR rolling on that gun and beat my asi vh+undead high, I'm looking forward to your ASI+Undead+Construct VH, you can do you, Mr elite player.)

Another thing is CE revives, pumping 200 ce into one game of LD, seriously?

I've never hated playing agaist stronger guilds like Aequitas or strong players like tmdals and Thrill. But SpAAmpire? You deserve this nickname.

Get the hate on me, this isn't an alt. account btw, I'm in no fear and would like to portray my true thoughts.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 00:40

#38

Euclidean-Space

Double post.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 00:42

#39

Troupe-Forums

pshhh I wish I had triple

pshhh I wish I had triple maxes and asi vh's on everything

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 01:04

#40

Opod

So, I'd like to mention that

So, I'd like to mention that Thug bought me. For maybe a few mats. I'm pretty cheap trick. It's ok, because as the time went on I grew to <69 him and MOST of the people in EoS. This guy did get one thing right, we have some hotties from EU on eos. Dat Hadn! He so sexy, makes me knees weak.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 01:08

#41

Xenonguard

You know what they say...

If you want to play a minigame dictated by skill, play Blast Network.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 01:13

#42

Njthug

You can pay for skool but you can't buy class =0

LockDown GvG Leaderboards:
Just my point of view:

Most players that view those boards dont even take it seriously at all. Yes, certain guilds have been ranked #1 for a long time, and all it really shows is that they are good at playing with themselves. I honestly wish I was really that good at playing with myself, but sadly I always have more fun playing with others instead of my right or left hand. Anyways, some players or guilds want to be known to be the best at playing with themselves, so that leader board really shows who can play with themselves the most since they cant find anyone else to play with.

In-term of Ce Revs:

The ce option is a great option which Three Rings added to Lockdown it is mainly for those players who are not the best at lockdown at all, and due to that Three Rings forces them to pay ce to help them with their inadequacy. It does not matter on your uv's boys and girls at the end of the day all she cares about his how you perform, so for those who dont have the right skills in lockdown have to Ce Rev constantly just to keep up with the more skilled.

@Opod --- Baby who knew 10 Gel Drops can make you join Echo of Silence. In terms of EU LD Hooodn ftw <69 I pay him in materials as well and he follows me around <69.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 03:15

#43

Vicarious

Lol

@Thread topic: Playing with yourself can be fun for a while, but at the end of the day you're still a lonely soul with no one to show you some real loving. Though in my personal opinion, CE revives should be removed. I hate seeing my damage go 10k+ every game cause someone who has more money than they do skills wants to revive, then come back for some more.

@Njthug: I generally dislike you. However, you keep making posts like that and I might have to show you some love. ;)

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 05:15

#44

Dragneel-Wiki

Don't spread the hate.

A very nice proverb that most people don't follow. Anyways...

While I find it cheap to boost using branch guilds, but I think there is no problem if they are doing it for fun or to only to play against each other. But even for boosting, why are you so mad on that ? It is not like that if you are in top of the leaderboards you will get an awesome crown or something... they are just boards to increase the ego of people. I am not defending Jempire, and I am neutral with them, but that doesn't mean I should go shame here and there, otherwise the world will be like a forest, where the strong preys on weak.

Want to fix this loop ? Make OOO decide to enable customized servers with the number you want of players and who are they, but without getting crowns or Krogmos to avoid abusing.

And what about Polaris spamming ? Why is it illegal for most people ? I do find it annoying, but that doesn't make it invalid strategy. All of the whiners should be wiped from Cradle and not allow them to produce more hate and poisonous matches, seriously ! They just ruin any game with their stupid egos that makes them think they are DA BEST AND SHOULDN'T DIE FROM ANYTHING !!! In fact, I applaud for Jempire for using that tactic, they perform it perfectly, and makes them a formidable opponent. Do you want people to not cover them selves while capping, and wait for you to come and pwnz them in the face ? Guess not...

By the way, I like your name....

@Vicarious :

No, CE revives shouldn't be removed. If you don't have CE or mist to revive, then don't get whiney about that, don't expect people to buy you CE so you can revive in LD. Plus, I see that you care for you precious damage more than the game itself, how silly...

And how dare you dislike the Mighty Njthug >:O ?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 05:42

#45

Little-Juances

meh, I would care if they gave "winners" something. Else there's nothing to worry about. Let the boosting guild be first in a pointless rank with lots of imaginary useless points.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 06:09

#46

Narfle

@OP: In the end, PvP, even

@OP: In the end, PvP, even relatively innocuous PvP like LD, winds up involving a lot of egos, bad blood, etc. It just happens. Don't worry about the leaderboard, just play to have fun--this is a game, after all. If you spend time worrying about what other people are doing, how other people play, you'll just get frustrated. As Reqy mentioned, if you're really so concerned with the leaderboard, maybe propose a change to the scoring system. I'm not a LoL player myself, but I noticed they just implemented a tiered scoring system that might be a good model. Anyway, relax, breathe.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 06:15

#47

Fleet-Miss-Gun

Seriously who give a shiz

Seriously who give a shiz about the ToS? Based on my research, 99% of forumers in gremlin chatter should've been banned for swearing in the forums.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 06:45

#48

Lanieu

Yep, lost me at GLD. The

Yep, lost me at GLD.

The Spirit of the Game is adventure and make friends doing so, helping and being helped along the way.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:24

#49

Soothsayerboomer

This is getting out of hand

Alright well everyone its time to stop this madness, this much hate for a game in a game?
Lets talk about something more important, because when it comes down to it if i can spend 30kce on an asi vh gf why cant i spend 16 to rev?
Or if you do see minions (ive lost to minions more than any other guild ever) and you don't like that, hop in and give us a "real" match.
Either way, let that be the end of this.

Hoping to fight some of you soon!
~Sooth

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:10

#50

Retequizzle

TIL that EoS is really EUoS,

TIL that EoS is really EUoS, that Leaderboards should have an asterisk next to it anytime Jempire's above Top 3, and that CE rezzing's the new Viagra.

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