The main problem is, that if my guild wants points, theres no one to play with, but then the guild you are talking about, just "Practices", and if they win or lose, they will get points.
And lets be honest here, their main goal is not practicing at all.
Avoiding questions it looks like ^^
- Sweet-Chili-Sauce to spice up your nuggets!
but also they do help the community. True thing. The 16-bit SK, some other fun activities.
they are a powerful and helpful part of the SK community
Since when cloggin number one spot and boosting themselves is a helpful part of the community?
Since when does making a 3rd party program that is a mod is a helpful part for the community?
It is not, it's your own delusion. (the mod is a nice touch but not really "helping", it's a nice gift from you, the community, however)
A "helping community" means more than just mods and ego boosting
At this point in time, playing Lockdown in guildies is useless unless you have an ego to boost
I do not dislike Jempire, they are not sitting on their a** doing nothing, they work hard for it, but maybe not the right way.
Whenever I played Halo Reach Objective match I always wish for noobs rather than "pros" because the "pros" would lose the game to boost for ranking. I know a lot of LD guild, they do 24/24 Guild Lockdown and they never get close to jemps because you boost themselves. And they are truly good, maybe even better than you? But you'll have to stop boosting to claim your number one spot.
When LD first came out, I can still remember Impervious number 1... Having 1 elitist LD guild makes it boring, why not split jempires into 2 faction and see who's the best? EU vs US player?
Edit: Can someone from Jemps tell me how they help the community??? (other than being a big guild that helps newcomers, basic stuff most people do... We ain't a big guild where I am but we help newcomer do vana when they are 3-4*, lend some cr, make someone skip the weekly fee because he's broke because he just made his first 5* item?)
Or are you just claiming you are a helping community? Because you hang out on the forum and fill up wikipedia?
Edit 2: I'm just curious, I see jemps member say they are powerful and helping on the forum but for someone who's in french haven that rarely sees a jempire member, I don't see how they are a "helping community". Simply because I never saw what you do/did (other than the 16 bit SK)
Since it's an edited post... not sure if people cannot see it or simply ignore it because of my wall of text so I'ma put it in a new post
Can someone from Jemps tell me how they help the community??? (other than being a big guild that helps newcomers, basic stuff most people do... We ain't a big guild where I am but we help newcomer do vana when they are 3-4*, lend some cr, make someone skip the weekly fee because he's broke because he just made his first 5* item?)
Or are you just claiming you are a helping community? Because you hang out on the forum and fill up wikipedia?
I'm just curious, I see jemps member say they are powerful and helping on the forum but for someone who's in french haven that rarely sees a jempire member, I don't see how they are a "helping community". Simply because I never saw what you do/did (other than the 16 bit SK)
I'd like to know more about jemps other than gossips from raging people
^You already put your 2 cents in, you now have to put 4 in.
@ Generic-Bush it has become my signature over time. I felt like giving a post title to each one was worthless so I decided to put "my 2 cents" on any post I give
I probably gave 1$ to OOO with all my 2 cents now...
Edit: Pretty sure you can put a Futurama "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY" joke in there somewhere or *Throws money at the screen*
"> If you don't believe me look at all the sonic games they make
Looks at Sonic 1, 2, 3, Colors, Generations, CD, & Knuckles, Unleashed, Adventure... I don't see your point."
Wait wait wait. Adventure 1 but not 2? And was Unleashed really worth putting on that list? I liked the theme featuring vocals by the lead singer of Sum 41 rather than Crush 40 but other than that I haven't heard a single good thing about Unleashed.
But then again if it were my list Sonic R and Shuffle would be on there...
Jem is a multi game community that (This is based of my personal experience with them btw) are the nicest people ive met, i joined them as a 3 star over a year ago because one of them was giving out stranger hats in haven and i got one so i made friends with her and soon joined the guild, turns out they play a lot of other games (dota terraria L4D2 ect.) and we help the community with trivia events, flash mobs(always funny), give always, The guild we made to help new players reach haven, and we train new guilds how to play gvg when they ask us to. There is a bunch of stuff jem does, Pm/mail me in game if you really wanna know everything. I kinda don't wanna spam the forums :3
Well sooth I didn't want a full detailed version of what jemps does, just a rough estimate by a member rather than a hater.
Didn't knew you would do all this, kudos!
Like I said, I'm in french haven and only goes to Haven 1 to WTS/WTB rare stuff and I'm an avid BN player. I have not seen one jemp member so I couldn't know other than what people say on the forum. Glad to know they were just haters ^ ^
Shamanala, are you jealous from The Jempire ? It's not healthy, really...
How they are helpful ?
Well, for me, there is one thing that they and is enough for me : Most of the $$$ income is coming from them, without their cash, and many other players, this game would've came to an end. Why ? Well OOO needs to pay the Server Upkeep, if they don't get enough money, servers will be closed, and you will be happy for not seeing Jempire again.
"Because you hang out on the forum and fill up wikipedia?"
I laughed so hard on this part, because it is false. I rarely see Jemps posting on forums, other than Bacon in GD and Kyoshiro in Bazaar, that's all. While in wikipedia, pfft... they don't even have a normal page. Just search for The Jempire in the wiki and see their page, it is just some lines and even in bad spelling and grammar. If you are going to name a guild that fills the wikipedia, then Lancer Knightz would be the winner.
In the end, I'd call what Jemps are doing boosting, if they were winning all the time. But in fact, they don't, they probably just want to play together without outsiders and that's all. Grinding rank point is useless, getting them is useless, and the one who whines about who gets them is more useless.
Edit 1 : Ignore the post, or read it on your own responsibility. I've wrote the comment before Shamanala replied on Soothsayer, apologies.
I kinda don't wanna spam the forums :3
I'd be a real prick and highlight all of your posts in general, but I feel like everyone would kind of already draw that conclusion anyway. A majority of your posts in just this thread alone have been deflections, half-witted arguments of how people are "wrong", and the occasional reach-around with the seldom few people who've tried saying "no guise jempire is gud".
Fact of the matter is, there's multiple parts that make a guild what it is - one of those being organization. No one's saying you guys aren't organized, either. I mean, someone put enough forethought into sending the chihuahua here to bark a bit, so I guess that's a plus in the organization column. But the fact that almost everyone seems to think that Jempire's doing more than just "training" with your inter-guild matches doesn't lend much to either your credibility or your presentation as a whole to the community, which is apparently the real argument here. Sure, you might not care about at the end of the day because of the idea that you all do enough good in the community to warrant a few... discrepancies, I guess? But if you guys don't have a handle on PR, which is essentially what this thread is, you can't really call yourselves a successful guild either; just an infamous one.
If you're such saints in the community then why is it such a hassle to rid of the "Minions" that only serves to tarnish your reputation and trolls on the rest of the SK community for your lack of consideration, fair game play and competition. You're trying to "cheaply" accomplish a goal in the purpose of claiming you're #1? If I recall the moment you egotistically spammed trade chat announcing being on the #1 spot for a year. Boasting about being #1. While minions for the most part was also in the top 10 for almost every week your guild was in first. When does the Minion guild get credit? Where's their shining tribute to open their GH for everyone to see. Oh, wait they're an alt. guild. Pardon me, while I dip my nuggets and enjoy the sweet satisfaction that your answers have no merit behind them.
If you're able to boast about being #1 then give us answers to why you need to use your alt guild, besides the already used up excuse, "there's no one to play." Yet again another proven fact that you guys have killed gld. Hooray! You're #1 at that. You should open up your GH for that accomplishment.
Avoidance. Just poorly justifies your attempts at proving what the majority of the community thinks about your shameful tactics. Would you like to dip your fries into my sauce? It might cure the pain inside you that you've accidentally ordered a hamburger happy meal, instead of the nuggets :)
Your not making sense buddy :P
So im just gunna go now, PM me in game :D
Grinding rank point is useless, getting them is useless, and the one who whines about who gets them is more useless.
I know right? But I can get why it's frustating... I hope you do too! (maybe you never experienced it?)
"Because you hang out on the forum and fill up wikipedia?"
I know so little about jemps that I just took a wild shot. And it was for the lolz because it's an extreme example :D
But back on topic
Don't you think Guild vs Guild LD should only be vs others guild? And not against your own teamates? Or that whenever you fight vs your own guild that the teams are scrambled?
let's make an example:
Player 1 to 6 are on Side A
Player 7 to 12 are on Side B
Krogmo King sees they are from the same team.
Krogmo King scramble the teams because he wants to be entertained
After all Krogmo King is not pleased when you do not play. When you play against your teamates shouldn't he try to be entertained by scrambling the teams?
Also, I hope a few GM's have been reading these posts. I believe we'd all like a better definition of "Spirit of the game". Does being on your alt account "looping" gld to gain rank points, krogmos, and a little crs considered a breach in ToS? As for someone that has to accept the ToS whenever we sign in, believe that having a more clear definition may serve the community a better understanding of what to do/not to do.
If you really want to practice, why not just do an infinite game?....
"Don't you think Guild vs Guild LD should only be vs others guild? And not against your own teamates? Or that whenever you fight vs your own guild that the teams are scrambled?"
Nope. Because when a guild wants to play LD together and only themselves, they will choose internal-guild match. Scrambling would be useless, didn't get what you mean. And how would the game understand that Minions of Jempire is The Jempire themselves, and how would they understand they aren't ? Many flaws and would cause a lot of problems, and kill the fun factor between guildies.
@Sweet-Chili-Sauce :
There is no profit or income from being the 1st on the leaderboards, which means there is nothing to loop for. If you meant crowns or krogmos, then I might accept it, but seriously, 80 cr won't ruin the community....
And don't avoid questions I asked in my first post, silly.
I believe my spelling, grammar and syntax of the English language is properly being used to be able to understand. Or do you not understand the definition of avoidance. A common PR attribute, that Retequizzle mentioned. If your guild is fine with accepting these accusations, then you should be fine with people mocking you guys as you boast to be #1.
Boosting is in itself frustrating for a guild that I see as trying their hardest to get that #1 spot. Have I been in one of these big guilds. Of course. I know by personal experience that you conduct yourself in respectable ways to earn a title. Just to be shunned by a guild that boost their points. It's like winning any other type of competition just to be underhanded by cheap tactics. What if people did this during the beta pvp era when you did get a crown, if any of you remember. We'd be singing a different tune and everyone would probably be complaining. Whether they receive anything or not, I see these other guilds put a lot of effort in getting on the leader boards, just to be slapped in their face for their hard work by a practice that I hope OOO will see as breaking the concept of "spirit of the game". (To my understanding).
Please stop complaining about something insignificant and time wasting such as this. You're making yourself look like a jackarse.
Sincererly, Most of the Forumers.
People loop tokens all the time with certain promos and events and OOO seems to fix it, or patch it up when the exploit has been addressed. Krogmo tokens can be easily looped this way. I can buy mod cals and other such type materials and sell them. If you want to get to the technicalities besides rank points. There are other ways I've seen guilds take advantage of alt guilds. But according to past forum threads, posting such exploits is a breach in the ToS. Also, for those that like to really analyze every single word. That last comment was in by no means accusing that guild of such exploits. Just serving the example that there are far more usages to alt guilds than boosting points.
I believe we'd all like a better definition of "Spirit of the game".
No, you do. We all came to the conclusion that it does not matter. And if being number one on the leader board granted you something, then yes it would matter.
Yes it shouldn't be encouraged. Yes it is a legitimate strategy used in many other games.
Whether you accept it or not is another story...
@ Xxdragneel It wouldn't be so hard in term of coding. Maybe in term of understanding the code... But doing so wouldn't be impossible or too much time consuming.
Because when a guild wants to play LD together and only themselves, they will choose internal-guild match.
Why would you want to play against yourself only? Wait for none to be in list and put 12 jemps into random teams? It is possible in other ways but you have developed a habit to do so in GLD and you feel comfortable that way. You would feel comfortable in random teams if you had been doing this from the get-go (and it's a better training to be with anybody against anybody, not chosing)
And how would the game understand that Minions of Jempire is The Jempire themselves, and how would they understand they aren't ?
Database links? It's quite easy to do... Could be done before the game starts when matching people together or after matching them together and "scanning" their guild...
Many flaws and would cause a lot of problems, and kill the fun factor between guildies.
No real flaws other than taking you out of your comfort zone and putting you in randoms team.
That's all I want... Scrambling people that are playing against their guildies, you can't have fun playing with your guildies on scrambled team but you can when you decide your team? How is that "training"
(FYI when I train in SSBM I put myself vs 3 lvl 9 ice climbers, not 3 lvl 9 Pichu... I train myself for realsies)
Edit: Super Smash Bros Melee on Gamecube, Ice Climbers are 2 AI together, so 3X 2 ice climbers = 6 lvl 9 AI vs you. And Pichu can dmg itself while attacking, hence why he's not a big problem...
Insignificant for a practice that has been done for almost a year. 52 weeks. It's killing GLD and RLD. For someone that's an avid LD player, since I hardly do any runs anymore due to the level of difficulty being nerfed. PVP is where I fall back to. If that's dying then yes, I have the right to complain at the sole purpose to its demise from a guild that claims so much, but proves so little.
@ Sweet-Chili-Sauce
I have avid LD friends who plays LD while you are complaining at this very moment. They are in LD guilds and doesn't mind jemps are numbers 1, yes they would like to be number one but they have a brain and use it and can understand some basic concept that you fail to understand
It.... Does..... Not.... MATTER!
Farming Krogmo in LD? Are you seerius? BN is for farming Krogmos... LD is for the sake of PvP who wanted something all along
If you want to farm krogmo coins just buy yourself 6 krogmo coin booster and use them all in one day and do BN, I got myself 150 krogmo in 2 hours and stopped because I don't need them anymore...
There are some good reason to whine and they are some bad reason to whine. You are using the bad reasons
"I want to be number 1 but I can't so I will post my hate on the forum rather than forge a guild and work for it. I want everything NAO!"
/sigh
And to think I'm in the same generation as these kids... -_-
To put it on perspective, if a guild has many players and want to challange themselves, they need to use an alt guild.
It's not their fault if OOO doesnt give them another way to do this and boosting is a side effect.
When they brag about it they are probably joking and laughing by themselves.
And you get mad, so they continue doing it. Thats the circle of trolling.
You are indeed taking this too seriously.
The deepest objective of any game is to have fun. Fun isnt determined by a rank. You can still enjoy it without being number 1.
actually, i was spectating a guild match. very unusual. (dont worry, it wasnt the Revmpire)
This Spanish T3 Guild was loitering around while the opposite Guild was idlin/afk/doozing
100% exploit. Didnt report it cuz im not that type of guy but GvG boosting is possible.
Personally im not a fan or approve of these "Lockdown" guilds for most of time they take the cheapest way to win. (just cuz there on the leader board doesnt mean they played fair to get there)
/sigh kinda wish Lockdown never existed like it does now
Yes, there's more to it than just krogmos and crs. You wanted technicalities, so I gave possible examples. Not making it the topic of this thread. You're missing the concept of more than just that guild. Yes every guild wants to be number 1, but do you see the effort it takes to get there? It isn't easy. BUT guilds will spend CE and TIME to claim the leader boards.
Spend 16-32 me/ce on a guild match over and over again. It accumulates. When you put that time, effort and ce for a title to be underhanded by boosting, it gets frustrating. It's that concept you don't seem to understand. It does matter to a few people. Maybe not to you, maybe not to your other friend. But there is a majority out there that actually do care for such aspects of this game because they are also spending their hard earned/or bought ce to revive. Also, you're forgetting that this guild is creating this lack of interest in RLD/GLD. Which is a blow to OOO since it's quite the ce sinkhole. They can get guilds/players to spend a lot of ce per match.
Jempire has given spiralsnipes.tumblr.com , a fanart blog, thousands of CE in the past to help it run multiple contests for the community. Jempire also supports the game by purchasing CE, running tournaments, and creating cool stuff like Jempire Story.
Minions of Jempire *is* a guild filled with Jempire alt accounts. However, all matches between Jempire and Minions of Jempire are legit - anyone's welcome to spectate during a game. Jempire actually loses a lot of the time (Minions of Jempire beat Rigorous in GLD.)
I'm going to cite http://jemgaming.net/forums/content.php?267-The-Jempire-is-1-in-Lockdown...! .
http://i.imgur.com/W9KGYRp.jpg?1
@ Sweet-chili-sauce What you don't get is that some people actually buy ce and actually WORK IRL and don't have the TIME to be Free 2 play players.
Meaning that CE revive is a cheap way of winning is absolute nonsense and illogical. YOU can spend as much ce as them, they have 100$ limit per month, so do you...
I know people who put more effort into this than you and they are going somewhere, you are going nowhere...
i just read all this AND DAM SON YOU WHINE SO MUCH! And yet you know how frustrating it is to lose to them when your not in a "BIG LD GUILD". Yea sure dude but i call bs. I think your too chicken to show yourself so you HIDE BEHIND an alt, and then you complain about they using alts? Your a sad pile and you should stop posting, also it costs 200 to bring an alt into LD, enamorocks sell for 1kcr and you get 2 ever game, so 5 x 2 = 10 and 10 x 200 = 2000, So the looping thing is such bs your just mad because your a just mad that you can beat anyone.
If you believe someone is breaking the Terms of Service, please report it ASAP in-game to the GMs rather than going on the attack on the SK forums with a newly made account. Thanks.
"Hop in and give us a real match..." The problem with that statement is that majority of guilds don't want to play with you guys. Not because they're scared, but you guys play like A-holes, which in turn makes a lot of the older LD players stop playing. Have you noticed that during the usual peak hours the number of RLD players are dropping dramatically? This is why I'm complaining. They're breaking the spirit of the game by manipulating it for their "goals". I don't see why this isn't a valid argument. Why do you think there hasn't been a guild that hasn't boosted points with their alt guild by now, like what this guild does. There are guilds big enough to do this, but why don't they? Well, like what most people wrote in the forums, playing with yourselves gets boring, but it also is just a ridiculous tactic to boost points. Sooth thinks there aren't guilds to play, but there are plenty. You don't scare them away you annoy them away. You keep saying minions win, minions win. Why aren't you guys playing more then. Why do you wait till another guild is on top of you guys on the leader boards? Like I said it's clock work and just a blunt use of improper usage of an alt. account. Also, another suggestion that I mentioned was to make RLD more active, so instead of playing with yourselves, Q up together in LD like most guilds do. Have fun with the SK community, by showing individual skill and not have to ce rev so much.
Sooth, everyone knows your guild as a whole ce revs way more than 16 me/ce. When you have a consistent wave of players coming at you it's not playing 6 v 6 anymore. It's more like playing 6 v 8. That's the only tactic that this guild can come up with to win against the more skillful guilds. That's the skill your guild is more associated with. You buy your way to win most games and you manipulate your alts to win the leader boards. Yes, you can buy your wins to help OOO, but you lose the respect of legitimacy to the community. If you don't care for such aspects then you my good sir would be called an elitist D-bag. We don't hate you because you "keep" winning. We hate the "cheap" methods. So instead of saying, hop on to play. I'll say stop being A-holes, and they'll play.
- Orders more nuggets. Don't for get the sauce.