Spiral Knights - Do you (still) respect OOO?

Do you (still) respect OOO?

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Sat, 04/13/2013 - 23:50

Djawed

I think it goes without saying that people here around the forum play their game. I've personally quit evwr since the UI update but i can honstly say that i really thought spiral knights was a well crafted piece of work. Hence OOO "had" really earned my respect.

There are many companies that make enjoyable games. But respect comes from more than just that. It comes from how much a company puts care and passion into its work, it comes from how much a company values and respects its playerbase that Keeps them afloat, and probably more. Thats the way i see i

This raises the question. Despite still playing the game, do you actually respect OOO? Why d or dont you

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 00:10

Klipik-Forum

Respect? Yes. Have confidence in? Less than I did a few weeks ago. Am worried about? Definitely.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 00:23

Sweet-Hope

Respect? yes they give me a good time in 2011

That im dissapointed about them thats another story i started to be dissapointed with OOO SINCE THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY because they said would be something awesome, something amazing.. then anniversary comes and a big dissapointment.. so i honestly dont expect anything good from OOO since that update and never believe their words when they said "its amazing" i just expect the update comes and see they not are so great as they used to be before join SEGA...

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 03:05

Iamnoone

I think you should leave the

I think you should leave the game and the forum. Users will never like everything site owners/developers do. They aren't supposed to. If one liked everything, another likes nothing. People will never be happy with everything. They'll still whine and complain. But negative people like you, whining to others on the forum and in-game, you set up bee-hives of negativity. You bring others down, talk them into quitting and get them to do the same with those around them. That's horrible to the rest of us trying to enjoy the game. Others coming to the game see and hear this and you make them run. Now normally players quit and go for many reasons and new ones come but by pushing away new users, you are guaranteeing a long slow death to a game because eventually all the old players will have left and people like you kept new ones from coming.

I'm disappointed in my fellow gamers ruining the games I enjoy. Maybe you should go play TF2 or something where you'd be happier.

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 12:08

Mtax

I respect Three Rings for making good game, what took thousands hours of my life, but I don't respect their politics, behavior (Thanks for fairness with free eps. I appreciate it) and confusion (Hidding energy meter has made game nonlinear. Really gj.) in last times...

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 04:19

Eclaium

I do. I've never seen a game

I do.
I've never seen a game (company) with such a humour and a special ability to make people rage *cough* lol

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 04:36

Grittle

I do respect them, I respect

I do respect them, I respect almost every game developer because create even the smallest game takes so much work and programming.

Just that some of the decision making here and there makes me a tad bit worried

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 04:47

Gravelord-Caste

Short answer, yes, I respect

Short answer, yes, I respect them, but I doubt all decisions made are their decisions.

Anyone want the long answer?

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 04:50

Grittle

I do!

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 05:54

Dragneel-Wiki

I respect them for their hard-work and for keeping up the spirit with this small, tiny game till now.
But sometimes I hate them for their less-frequented ignorance in some cases.

*cough*RSS*cough*UI*cough*EP*cough*LD Lobbies*cough*Investigating the servers*cough*cough*

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 10:38

#10

Immortous

Mojo-beef

I respect them for many reasons, cause it's no easy task making an MMO and supporting it for years.
They've left me with some good memories as well.
Do I still play the game? No, cause I don't have time.
Would I play the game? Maybe, but mainly to see friends.
Sure OOO has had some blunders here and there, but we as the community have pulled through it, and many of us have been supporting SK since beta.
Any company who can keep us hooked like that, whether with the humor or whatever, deserves some respect in my opinion.

EDIT:
@Iam- Great point by the way.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 06:44

#11

Klipik-Forum

@Iamnoone

If that's your problem, I feel like you should leave the forums. Not all of us are going to change because you want us to.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 06:50

#12

Rating

@Noklip Why would he leave

@Noklip Why would he leave the game? Unlike the OP (and from the sound of your post, YOU) he loves this game and enjoys playing it. Backwards logic FTL

@Iamnoone You make an excellent point

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 06:58

#13

Dragneel-Wiki

@Rating:
So you want us to be happy with a half-cooked steak? In what book is that logic can be found? Hmm...
And we probably love the game more than the people who doesn't give a [poop] about what needs to be fixed, improved or removed from the game. Being satisfied with a half-cooked thing is not loving the game, it's called... It would be better not to say that, because it might deliver the ban-envelope to me.

And if you are going to say: "What half-cooked thing?" I'd like to guide you to the April 3 Update Discussion.
Enjoy.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 07:35

#14

Gravelord-Caste

/reply Grittle

I do!

The long answer? Despite not being in the game for a long time (I only joined about midway last year, and missed the Dark Harvest that October/November(?)) I respect Three Rings, but I don't respect all the decisions made so far, including the UI update and the E-passes. However, I don't think all decisions are made by the team, including these two: as far as I know, SEGA acquired Three Rings, and therefore owns the game. I don't know that much about these sorts of relationships, but I think if SEGA want's something done to the game, Nick has to comply.

I pretty much came to this conclusion after reading several posts in several threads, as well as watching some Extra Credits (Watch those guys). I don't know if this is actually true, but the community as a whole might be too harsh on the devs.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 07:47

#15

Klipik

@Rating

I said the forums, not the game. If you can't face the facts that this game is changing directions, this is not the place for you. If you somehow want to ignore it and stay here, no one's making you click on these threads.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:04

#16

Hexzyle

@Gravelord-Caste

Perhaps the reason why Three Rings can't talk their "blunders" out with the community is because they're under legal obligation to not slander SEGA?

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:07

#17

Lightyourfire

@Gravelord and ^

This is exactly what I had thought as well

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:35

#18

Djawed

@lamnoone Well i think you

@lamnoone

Well i think you have to accept certain natural outcome and deal with it. You sound like the kind of person that would stand in the way of freedom fighters and tell them that things were fine, and ask them why they had to ruin it. While it may seem like an extreme anoligy(because this is simply but a mere videogame), the outcome of a cause shouldnt be blamed on the outcome, but on the cause

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:37

#19

Djawed

Also i really dont think it

Also i really dont think it has anything to do with SEGA you guys. SEGA offers a lot of freedom to its developers is what i can say from experience

This is all OOO is what id believe

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:57

#20

Klipik

This is sega, remember.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 09:06

#21

Neodasus

It's been over a year since I

It's been over a year since I quit and it's still the same level of content. Jagex charges 3-5 USD monthly for Runescape and gets weekly updates. I would much rather pay 3 dollars a month for a 'membership' + whatever I would spend on CE for a shred of mission content every week rather than spending as little as possible because of a content plateau. It can't be that difficult, and they were about to do it too until they started listening to the forums and stopped the expansion updates. Absolutely gross, all of this crap over a 3 dollar update (reduced price on release).

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 09:28

#22

Hexzyle

@Neodasus

Jagex charges 3-5 USD monthly for Runescape

Try 15 USD.

Also, Jagex's programmer workforce is eleven times as large as Three Rings, and they have a game that's been running for over a decade, has won multiple awards over that time, and is the host of several hundred million players.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 10:05

#23

Burq

@Klipik

Actually, Aliens Colonial Marines is all Gearbox's fault, they took a good chunk of the money Sega gave them after making the amazing first trailer to work more on borderlands 2 while another much smaller B team worked on A:CM, hence why the game feels so incomplete and pretty much steals every other idea from L4D2. The president of Gearbox had to close it's twitter account because all the negative feed back he was getting and after making some comments about making a "60 million dollar mistake". Dont know if Sega can sue them or not, they technically fulfilled their contracted, if horribly so.

Anyways, back on topic:

I do respect OOO but I GREATLY disagree with their latest decisions this last year, to the point I pretty much lost hopes for the game - thou I pray they turn it around soon... if not, I'm calling it quits for sure, selling and vendoring everything on my arsenal to buy TF2 keys and move to an older game that still have it's developer's attention, even if it's just a cash cow for them at this point.

It's really sad, I really, REALLY loved this game (it's art style specially), it's a bummer seeing it go this way...

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 10:09

#24

Ndognine-Forums

I lost some of my respect

I lost some of my respect when they started releasing more recolors then new content. They seem to have gotten more and more interested in the money, as opposed to content.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 17:22

#25

Spold

The new user interface made me a lot worse in this game. I respect them trying to improve the game, but it definitely didn't work for me.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 10:53

#26

Bluencool

...

Respect? They deserve that. They made a unique and decent game, and became successful with that. They improved it and made it even better.

They are going downhill since the missions update though.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 11:37

#27

Thimol

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Respect? Yes. Have confidence in? Less than I did a few weeks ago. Am worried about? Definitely.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 11:50

#28

Djawed

@Klipik And yes that is the

@Klipik

And yes that is the outcome of too much freedom dontcha think? Some dev teams don't need being checked upon like for instance sumo digital, who has recently made sonic allstar racing transformed, and speaks with us almost literally everyday to hear us out.

And then there are those that abuse it like gearbox.

3 rings is kind of in the middle for me. I think freedom does them well, but at this point I do think it would have been great if the publisher who bought them, supervised them into the right direction. Nintendo is really the best in balancing this. Just look at average dev teams like Rare and next level games have made under nintendo's strict quality policy. I mean I bet 3 rings would find it strange reading this, but since we fans are treated this way by them, maybe wise people at the top who they would respect(i mean who doesnt respect nintendo) would have never greenlighted such an idiotic update.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 12:17

#29

Xxpapaya

The papaya chuckles

I will never quite understand why people keep on making these types of threads.................I'm pretty sure that OOO has seen about a gazillion of these threads. I know that a lot of you guys aren't exactly "happy" with the UI update, but that isn't exactly a good reason to quit.
I'm assuming [this is directed to everyone complaining about the UI] that you don't spend your entire time, staring at the little profile pic of yourself, or the amount of CE/CR [directed to people complaining about the fact that the new UI doesn't show your CE and crowns].

Anyways, back to talking about respect.
"I wonder why we should respect OOO? After all, all they did was spend a good portion of their life (and money) programming this game for us, why should we care?"

That ^^^^ is precisely what you are saying right now [directed at the following: Ndognine-Forums, Neodasus, Dragneel-Wiki]

Now, time to reply to some comments:
@Spold
And that had a life threatening effect on you?

@Ndognine-Forums
Are you sure OOO has released more recolors than new-content? Lets have a look
-Recolors: Hallow, Frosty, Surge, Hunter
-Actual-Content: Black Kats, Mini Monsters (which consists of dust bunnies, cave scarabs, and jelly drop-thingies), Missions, Rose sets, Energy Blasts, Monster Pockets, Valkyrie Wings, Dragon Wings, Howlitzers, Shadow Lairs, etc, etc, etc

As you can see, they have released MUCH more actual content than recolors..............

@Neodasus
There is this new thing, called mist energy! /gasp

Oh, and you haven't played the game for "a year" now you say? Lets see how much has changed in a year. Today is the 15th of April 2013, I will put the links to the update logs dating back all the way to the 15th of April 2012.

I'm pretty sure you've got the idea now. I didn't post all of the release notes to spare you the pain of reading a wall of text. You can read the rest of the release notes here: http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Category:Releases

@all
Perhaps I've been a bit too harsh in this post. I'm really sorry 'bout that, but honestly, lets all accept the fact that OOO has put a lot of effort into the game, UI changes aren't life threatening, and we've been given a lot of new content.

Now let's stop the insults/harsh comments and act a bit more like friends ^^

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 12:26

#30

Djawed

Well I understand that by

Well I understand that by subtly expressing my own thoughts in the OP, I may have set a negative tone for the thread. But it wasn't supposed to be papaya. The title is totally objective. It could have as well been a thread dominated by positivity if people felt that way. Basically this is not an intentional "one of these types" of threads. Please don't ruin this thread by annoyingly going offtopic with non sensible posts.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 12:36

#31

Xxpapaya

The papaya giggles

"Please don't ruin this thread by annoyingly going offtopic with non sensible posts."
Oh, that isn't off topic at all! We are talking about "respect for OOO" and suddenly you start talking about "non-sensible-posts".
Let me ask you something: Isn't the internet itself always off topic?

Besides, how am I going off topic?

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 12:47

#32

Bzzts

Papaya, please, you are being argumentative. If you can't handle people's opinions then you'll get hit hard when you grow up (yes I saw a guild app of yours).

There have been more reskins than new game content and that cannot be denied, a UI can make a game, the few new monsters we have had aren't implemented in all clockwork levels making them pointless, costumes should not be counted as content and SL/seerus cost a lot of energy to do.

No new boss. No new weapons and nothing of particularly good quality .

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 12:48

#33

Djawed

The latest updates could be

The latest updates could be reasons to have gained or lost respect for OOO, but arguing if people should or shouldnt be "butthurt" about them is not the topic here. We don't need another thread of spiral knights defenders vs those who are complaining.

But fair enough. Offtopicness indeed isn't necessarily a bad thing. The other part stands, let's not assume the thread is supposed to be negative. Your collective thoughts is what shapes/forms that.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 14:42

#34

Ubernerd

@All the people who are upset about negativity

Like Djawed just pointed out, the thread was meant to be a discussion and not a complaint. The OP is allowed to post his/her opinion too. Re-read the post. Go ahead. You're over-reacting. People should really try to be way less sensitive to everything all the time every day... All the time.

My thoughts? The reason these threads end up being so "negative" is because that's how the community genuinely feels about the issue. As for me, I'm disappointed because I like OOO. "Gasp of all gasps! There's someone who likes OOO and yet doesn't like the recent updates? Impossibru!" But I assure you, it is quite possibru. It makes me sad that they're not doing a better job because I know they can. I've seen it.

Now, since I know this argument is bound to come up again, maybe it is SEGA. It really wouldn't surprise me if the Devs were just as upset at all this as most of us seem to be. I've heard of cases like that where publishers come in like slave drivers and do stuff like this. If that's the case, then my disappointment is replaced by sadness for the Devs as they watch their hard work get torn apart. But if not, I just hope that they can learn from this and be flexible about the UI design.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 15:01

#35

Xtweeterx

I still respect them, Heck,

I still respect them, Heck, They still have yet to dissapoint me. As a 2-year veteran I can safely say that I understand everyone has their reaspons to be dissapointed. I was a little skeptic with the new UI and I've been waiting for a new update as I was getting quite bored doing failed runs of the FSC just for crowns and CE, as well as the anniversery event. I agree it has its benefits and downsides.

We all have the right to post our thoughts.

But I've still yet to find it true that they barely listen to the fanbase. Let's not forget SEGA is also teamed up with them so there's another way our problems are caused.

I fully agree with Xxpapaya, UI cahnges are NOT life threatening and you all are over-reacting, and they have done well with more original content.

and @Neodasus: There's a reason why I quit RuneScape back in 2010 (Never been member there, and I don't want to think about it), then after looking at Recent vids, I have more reasons. Let's not compare Apples to Oranges here.

If you DO want to compare RS to SK, fine. I'll do that. But only when the time comes.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 16:40

#36

Melonfish

@Klipik

I see you put the finger on SEGA for those two matters quite often.

On topic with the Shining Force disaster on YouTube, it stems all the way from the series' very own director/producer. What's largely implied is that he loathes the classic series and does not want to do anything with it at all. He also has a very strong dislike for the community that likes the original Shining Force games and considers them an oppression to his lead on the franchise, hence the brutal attack on YouTube videos to make way for advertising his new installment on the series.

I don't know much of the details, but [url=http://segabits.com/forums/index.php?topic=2150.0]this discussion[/url] on SEGAbits' forums sheds a good portion of light (no pun intended) on the matter.

As for A:CM, it's been said that Gearbox is responsible for this blunder. I've seen the backdraft of this, the general consensus goes to say that SEGA pretty much fell victim in this case.

Oh, and if you'd like to go further, let's talk Streets of Rage Remake and SEGA's "cease and desist" on Bombergames for its download link. Everyone trashed at the practice, it makes sense, it's the best bloody fangame of the series that it deserved in a long time. But what most folks don't know is that SEGA was pretty much cool with the project from the very beginning, despite the fangame conflicting the company's copyrights on the series (for the same reason Nintendo sent a C&D on Super Mario Bros. X and Square on a fan sequel to Chrono Trigger). The C&D letter is a necessary evil for all parties involved (people can't download from the source site anymore, SEGA gets flak from the fans for slapping hands), but SEGA can't really do anything against the spread rapid-sharing of the game. So what they did was let Bombergames release the game and wait a moment for the game to be spread out reasonably before telling them to stop and conform: therefore you can still download it from upload sites, but you'll have to do some keen search. I wouldn't be surprised if this was planned all along.

But back to the thread's subject. As much as I respect OOO, I'm not sure what's the plan for this game in the long-run anymore. The momentum of the game's growth has fallen short, it's not looking very good for most people. Myself, I hoped to purchase CE on the next promotional event weeks ago, but alas this year's anniversary has little to offer.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 17:17

#37

Klipik

Quite often? I did it twice :/

BTW, this forum uses HTML not BBCode. :)

As for the topic, I will just say that OOO needs to decide where their game is going and fast, before it gets pulled in a direction they don't want it to wether it happens by way of SEGA or themselves. That way, we can decide if we want to stick around or not.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 17:26

#38

Spold

@Xxpapaya

No. I think you exaggerate a lot when people don't like the new user interface. I just said it didn't work for me. I can understand a little why you get serious when people rant and rage about the new user interface, but saying it like that just made it look like you can't respect opinions. It just made me worse in the game.

I have an opinion, and I never say a thing. I don't even debate when people say they like the new user interface.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 17:28

#39

Flamearc

@everyone

I do have respect...
but all the new stuff
Don't know Don't care

This is a game. Not your life. Please get over it. Well except it is for some people...
Then they would kill themselves because of the new update and we would be free from negativity once more.
Wait what?!?

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 17:39

#40

Klipik

I advise you to not say that again, or I might try to reach through the internet and slap you in the face.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 17:44

#41

Flamearc

@Klipik

You can't prove a thing!!

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 17:45

#42

Fehzor

Respect?

I'm mostly just confused by them.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 18:13

#43

Klipik

*screenshot*

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 20:25

#44

Lyle-Dylandy

Everyone gets tired of things

Everyone gets tired of things in life. I'm taking another break from this game since I'm not interested in it atm, again. I'll probably come back to play it again later in the months, but for now I am enjoying other things, and I'm more interested in them atm than SK. It's been two years, every now and then the company's interest will rise and fall, and so on, that is normal, we are human. It doesn't matter i they have a lack of interest, have lost creativity, etc; we are human. We get tired of things, you'd be the same if you were in their shoes. I'm doing it right now due to my break from this game. All gaming companies are like this; you spend all day playing this game, 5 days a week for two years, working on it because you are a staff of the game's company, you would most definitely start to give less interest in it after time. It's like your job or school; it was nice at first, but now I am tired of going to it; I NEED FREEDOM FROM IT.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 21:07

#45

Byas

They may have lost my confidence in their actions but they haven't done enough to lose my respect (unlike capcom and ea, those two really grind my gears).
PS: I know I like to make jokes about bad updates and taunt OOO a lot on this forum but it's more like my personality to do these things, I don't mean to disrespect them with it.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 01:38

#46

Xxpapaya

The papaya frowns

Ok, maybe I've gone a little over board with the arguing, I'm sincerely, sorry about that. But let me just ask one question [directed at people complaining about the new UI]: What are you trying to say;What point are you trying to make;What's your aim?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 04:50

#47

Dragneel-Wiki

@Xxpapaya :
I didn't actually get what do you mean...
I said that I respect them for something, and dislike their occasionally ignorance to certain things. And it's not like that I said I am quitting.

"What are you trying to say;What point are you trying to make;What's your aim?"
Do you know how to read? We are writing pages and walls of text and then you come and ask this crap? Ok, I will answer it again.

"What are you trying to say"
We are saying that this UI is rather bad and needs a lot of fixes and editing.

"What point are you trying to make"
We are pointing at OOO for not listening to the:
The people who said that the new UI shouldn't be implemented and have proved that with valid facts.
The people who suggested many fixes and edits to the new UI, and was agreed on by most of the forumers.
The MILLIONS of people who refused to have their RSS changed, yet they were ignored and it was changed.
The people who were asking about the holy reason for OOO to giveaway free EP. I am not complaining, I am asking for info.

"What's your aim?"
What are you expecting? That we want to invade OOO with pitchforks and turn the building into fire and flames? No. Our aim is to fix the game we love, make it have more better things, balance it, and make the community happier (Supposedly). Yet, a thread like Luguiru's one is ignored, and Pets are coming. Logic please...

Hope you understand us now.
And by the way, we don't hate OOO, we hate their latest actions and decisions.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 05:55

#48

Xxpapaya

The papaya frowns

@Dragneel-Wiki
Ok, I had originally typed up a huge wall of text, but I decided to just simplify it down to a few bullet points :P

-Mind your language
-If everyone in the game gets an EP, then the people who spent money on Spiral will start complaining.
-We all love the game, and we all want to improve it ^^ But throwing harsh comments at each other won't help, I will also have to start living up to my own words :P
-Yes, I agree that the RSS change needs to be dealt with ASAP
-Maybe OOO is working on a UI change right this second? :3

Let us live up to our expectations now by being a bit more nice to each other ^^

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 06:06

#49

Daili

Do I?

Do I still respect Three Rings? Why, yes I do. But not for the reasons you may think.
I'm sure most of us can agree that if the game wasn't so revolved around Energy that it would be a much better game to enjoy, but I'm not here to start an Energy Flamewar. However, that's just it. The reason I still respect them is because they were able to create such a game such as this. The creativity, style, and gameplay are just so inspiring and creative. Though Three Rings may need more creativity when it comes items in yearly events, but that however doesn't dismiss my sight on the main game itself.
Just by seeing how great this game is as well as how small the Three Ring team was altogether has inspired me to pursue a path in obtaining a Bachelor's Degree in computer programming so I too (and other required people needed in a game development team) can create a wonderful game such as this that Nick and his team put together.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 06:14

#50

Dragneel-Wiki

@Xxpapaya :
Sorry for that but... I only used the aggressive voice because you sounded rather jerk-ish in this comment "That ^^^^ is precisely what you are saying right now [directed at the following: Ndognine-Forums, Neodasus, Dragneel-Wiki]", especially that you used: "precisely" here. I rarely use this aggressive type of writing, but your post sounded like that we are trashing OOO and just complaining. Sorry if you was offended again.

Now to reply to some points you mentioned:

"-If everyone in the game gets an EP, then the people who spent money on Spiral will start complaining."
Most of us never said that the solution would be giving everyone EP, because it is simply a wrong action in the first place. What we asked for, and we didn't get a reply on, was: Why EP? I mean, they could've tested it with completely something different, and not flammable like EP. You know, EP is vital for some F2P Grinders, thus, they will obviously get angry if they didn't get one. I pretty sure that OOO know that, yet they ignored this fact, and gave away EP. For example, if they were to giveaway a kind of material, or heck even an accessory, that wouldn't have caused all of these wars and conflicts in the forums.

"But throwing harsh comments at each other won't help"
As I stated before, I only used this aggressive tone due to your comment. I completely agree with you on this, but sometimes, OOO makes some decisions that force conflicts to happen between forumers.

"-Yes, I agree that the RSS change needs to be dealt with ASAP"
Great! We agree on something at least.

"-Maybe OOO is working on a UI change right this second?"
I hope that this is true, although I doubt it... And I am sad to be doubting OOO, really.

"Let us live up to our expectations now by being a bit more nice to each other ^^"
We will! Hopefully...

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