Spiral Knights - PvP and getting into it. The VeoRant.

PvP and getting into it. The VeoRant.

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Sun, 04/14/2013 - 00:13

Veolen

Okay, first, yes. I am going to rant and flail and generally go "ARGH! WTF OOO!", but it is my sincere hope that SOMETHING constructive comes out of this debate.

So, short story in a nutshell: Voltedge. Kinda the uber elemental sword, blah blah. Only gotten with Krog Coins. Blast Net hasn't had a queue actually get in game for days, I think. I wait hours in queue with nothing. So it's Lockdown and LD only. And being the PvE person, I ask about for how's the best way to get into it.

The reponses I get are everything from "GTFO Noob" to "Use Leviathan Blade, Guardian, and NEVER SHIELD! SHIELDING KILLS YOU!", to "Go Kill yourself, *(&@#&*". I really wish I didn't get the last one told to me, because that's what set me off. So in the span of a few hours my entire outlook on LD is that it's an elitist cadre that, if you get put up against a team of all the same guild, you're pretty much doomed from the start. Don't even bother playing, there's no way to win it. And then I get told that I need Snarby gear with a few 3 UV tickets to get something good just to begin to try to compete against the players in there.

It's.. not exactly fun, trying to slog through LD with this kind of discrepancy of uberveterans and someone just getting into it. I don't even want to do it. Can I just pay you 200 crowns a coin and have it over with without having to deal with the trash talking and insults of everyone for not being uberleet right off the bat?

It's disheartening. Hugely. And as much as I try to get better I keep getting insulted and told to uninstall the game. Hardly this friendly atmosphere that I had hoped or had been told about. Nobody's bothering to even TRY to be willing to help me get better, just a slew of insults.

So, tl;dr point: Should I even bother trying to get my coins without having uber gear for Lockdown with it being so high-end already? Or is there a Bloogato's chance in FSC that I just played during the wrong hours and LD isn't like this all the time?

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 00:26

Klipik-Forum

My guild mates played BN this afternoon 0.o

Hmm. How to get into LD... That's a tough one, especially for me since I've wanted LD in the game since before BN came out. I guess I could suggest playing T2 LD, if you want to make the investment for a 3* set - we tend to be a little less ultra-ragey. And, unless you count the one round I played today when literally 90% of players decided to get out their Kilowatts, we also have less pulsar spam. And there are no GFs or DAs in T2, so less OHKOs. :D

If you really want to stay in T3 LD, I guess... Get heart trinkets if you haven't already. I hate to say it, but because they exist they are a necessity if you want to be competitive. For the most part, just try not to get disheartened :) not every game is completely triple-max-UV'ed Polaris+WRH-spamming trash talking skolver clones.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 00:58

Amanzi

As a former LD enthusiast...

T3 LD is where elitism goes to fester.
I really truly despise it. I played the other day on one account that had no heart trinkets or UVS. I died in two hits and it took 5 hits to kill a single skolver.
You can't just go like "Maybe I'll play a round of Lockdown" then manage well unless you prepare for it. (It's also more unforgiving than BN is if you're laggy.)
The best tactics are cheap and UVs matter way more than I'd like to believe. The devoted will often be merciless and most people will rage at the weakest link in their team. (They'll also rage at people who kill them, people who don't cap, people who don't use what they want them to use, and whatever else.)

T2 LD is a lot more fair than T3 but trinkets and UVs still make the game way too unbalanced. (I did a test with this and the games where I used trinkets were a lot more unbalanced than the games where I didn't.)

I think the best thing would be to make Krogmo recipes sellable. It'd give the devoted LDers more stuff to sell and would let those who don't want to deal with buttnannies get the recipes at a the AH.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 01:35

Shidara

Lockdown is a prime example

Lockdown is a prime example of why we need a way to disable the chat. The vocal harassment is downright nasty in this part of the game, and I'm not proud to be a part of it. I think disabling the chat would make Lockdown much more enjoyable for a lot of players, but it's just sad to see that it's even needed in the first place.

If you want to make do with it though, I'd recommend you steel yourself for it and try out the Recon class, especially if you don't have access to heart pendants. You can always death-mark enemies and let your team-mates do the dirty work for you, or even ninja them should you find a good chance to do so. Supportive guardian is also a good route, though it's harder to escape should the situation get dire.

I haven't had the time (or gear) to get into Tier 2 Lockdown so I can't speak for it myself. Sorry.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 01:36

Blue-Flood

Another reason the comment

Another reason the comment box should be disabled if needed....
Honestly when I record videos, i put a baseball card over the chat box on my monitor. One plays much better when not chided by people who can have no real retaliation against them.

Anyway, it is really easy to get put down by the average striker polaris skolver clone, but take heart!
There has been much more variety lately. You can be a poineer and make your set work - it is doable.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/78660

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 01:36

Blue-Flood

Wow... nice first line in

Wow... nice first line in that comment Shidara lol

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:57

Spold

Not much people know how to really play Lockdown. They just damage. Capturing and defends are the real goal. If you can't focus on both captures and defends, you should at least focus on one. I only get like 5,000 damage, but I get like thirteen captures, and I might get two defends or somethin'.

Now people say...How does capturing make you a good Lockdown player if it doesn't take skill to stand on a point? Capturing is beneficial and helps your team to win. If you were to play paintball, and you had to capture a flag along with it then you wouldn't just shoot the paintballs without having one thought about the flag. See? It doesn't always have to take skill to be good at something. People are calling Lockdown Super Brawl if they say damage is they key, and act like damage will make you win. There's a difference. Super Brawl is entirely focused on killing, and Lockdown's main goal is to dominate control points, and defend them. From what I see, maybe Super Brawl wouldn't be harmless to bring back because people abuse Lockdown like it's Super Brawl.

What makes you win is what makes you skilled.

Wow! That guy can do a lot of tricks by dribbling in basketball!
Yeah! He's good at basketball!
That guy got the ball in the hoop, but he didn't take his time to do any dribbling tricks! He sucks!

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:03

Sandy-Knight

+1 Spold

I was just in a game with some utter jerk (naming no names) in T2 LD who basically said that only damage mattered, and that, I quote, "it isn't [my] fault if [I] use swords" when I pointed out that, since I was gunning, it would be impossible for me to 'win'.

It's a once-in-a-month experience. I still don't regret making Ronbaa ragequit from T2 LD, although I've seen alts of his going back in there. In 2* gear. And failing miserably. /clap Ronbaa

But aside from that, the main thing to do in T3 LD is, unless you have trinkets:
1. Wear proto to make people think 'WTF is this guy doing?' (Not serious here)
2. Capture points
3. Ignore everyone else.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:12

Klipik

alternatively

Join a guild that follows VLR.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:26

Narfle

All that to get a voltedge? It's a nice sword, don't get me wrong, but the only real difference between it and the other 5* brandishes is the status. If you really hate LD that much, make a combuster/glacius/acheron and be happy (acheron and combuster have higher dmg output anyway since neither interrupts enemies from riding the charge attack like glacius and voltedge, and acheron is already skewed higher for dmg due to the lack of a status effect). Voltedge isn't really all that über.

Sun, 04/14/2013 - 08:41

#10

Bulby

T2 is the farming grounds for T3. It's a great place to get started in LD. It's where most of us started and there's far less uv'd gear 'n such in this arena so you'll be better able to develop your skill.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 16:05

#11

Pdtopgun

Minus the trash-talking stuff, because honestly I just laugh at that level of sheer stupidity, this is pretty much how I feel about Lockdown too. I'm still not entirely convinced that SK's gameplay mechanics even lend themselves to an engaging PvP combat experience in the first place, but putting that aside, the way that OOO implemented LD is just flat-out broken. Any competitive game mode that just about requires pay-to-win, where players can bring in their own equipment with a huge range in ability levels, is pretty much doomed to turn into a haves-vs.-have-nots situation, and that's exactly what's happened. I may suck at Blast Network, but I find it far more enjoyable, because everyone's on a completely-level playing field at the start. If LD was tweaked so that players had to pick a loadout from a set pool of items that were available to everyone, it might be worth playing.

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 16:41

#12

No-Thanks

dont need to avoid LD

1st off all i agree to minus chat just for the usefulness

other than that its not that much of a big deal, u get coins losing or winning. u should try to figure a way for u to enjoy LD as much as possible - dont need to ask random noobs

ive had lots and lots of variants of playing, going pure dmg, going pure caps, defending points, going funny troll standing on cp next to opponent(VERY funny for ME =p), going this and that loadout and (involuntarily) being massacred by pulsar and lag

always play a playstyle which suits ur current mood

1 more thing..bloogato in fsc?

Mon, 04/15/2013 - 16:54

#13

Klipik

more ways

Other peoples' reasons for liking LD...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 03:27

#14

Dr-Storm

I bet that is t3 LD...

Try t2 LD, more people caping/defend and less trash talking...unless you count the people who talk nonsense like me :P but people like me only talk about lag and other irrelevant stuff, like cats and cake :P

3* gears, weapons and trinkets are certainly cost less than 5* one...and plus, most player didn't have uvs :P

but...if you still wanna do T3 LD....then go damage boost, heavy damage/statuse inflicting weapons and asi boost is the advice I can give besides luck as hp and defence is useless in T3 LD...

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 21:58

#15

Blue-Flood

Dont need to be a paying

Dont need to be a paying player to enjoy t3 LD. Just gota play with what you have, or work around it. Surprising how many people are scared of a fire bomb.

DA FLOOR IS LAVA!!!!

Tue, 04/16/2013 - 22:11

#16

Klipik

pshh.

My Vog suit laughs at your fire bomb. Until the fire interrupts my attacks... :/

Wed, 04/17/2013 - 11:02

#17

Rangerwillx

As Shidara said, global chat should be removed in Lockdown.
Or, rather, there should be a option that you can turn of global chat in LD, tells in LD, and team-chat in LD.
I doubt we'll get any of the 3..another game I played has a way of just turning off chat period, it's amazing.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 05:38

#18

Not-Impressed

This space is for rent.

Blast Network; The solution to all your Lockdown troubles!

On a more serious note; When I used to play LD I always played T1/T2. Played a few games of T3 after I got some 5* gear... Never again.. Don't even want to imagine what it's like now. I found T1/T2 was far more enjoyable.. Everyone seemed nicer but that was a long time ago, I literally haven't gone to a Lockdown game in months.

Pssssst.. Come play Blast Network... :)

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 06:00

#19

Heavy-Dragon

Recon.

No need for UVs on anything if they cant see you coming and cant chase you when you leave.

Recon, gran faust/ DA, and a poke gun like valiance/alchemer/(Asi callahan if you want to be a butt to those strikers that run off when they have no hp)

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 06:07

#20

Canine-Vladmir

Feel bad for you bro.

LD is broken and full of supposedly "pro" players.
I was spectating a match where a well known "pro" player was just going for damage: attacking first the lower gear players, valiance shooting the other "pros", charging Voltedge and then going back to Locker Room to get health, repeat. Completely forgetting the objective : capture and defend points.
I was like, "Whoa. Wut?"
and then when you throw a new gamer to lockdown and is trying to play the objective, its followed by a response of hateful comments.
That HAS to change.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 06:12

#21

Heavy-Dragon

^ That.

As long as you have high damage, you were effective, even if it led to your team getting wiped while they were trying to -win-.

Which is why I play recon. I may not have high damage but I always pull cap weight.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 09:52

#22

Aus-Lagger

It simply won't stop lagging

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:20

#23

Dragonicblaze

LOL

Canine Vladmir.. idk who u thought are pro players but pro players definitely do not stray from the objective.. look at people who get great scores and caps.. if the match is even then the pros DEFINITELY get lot of caps.. but if the game ends like 50-500 points then ofc the Pros spent their time on killing peple coming out of locker room preventing them from capping.. so IDK wat were ur standards while u were spectating the match.. or whether the people spectated where "pro" or not.

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 15:39

#24

Canine-Vladmir

LOL

that grammar!
The gamer finished with 20K damage (as he usually does), and I'm pretty sure to the community, that makes your a Pro. And this has repeated in matches i have spectated. (secretly!) Looking for matches with familiar names, finding gamers from famous LD-specific guilds just duking out damage. There is a couple of players who play the objective but for the most parts, its to get more damage.

My way of Pro Standard
-Decent amount of damage.
-Decent amount of captures.
-Decent amount of defends.
-No cheat-cheats (AA, Spam, Clone gear, etc)
And Most importantly
-If your a team player. (<--you have no idea how many times they leave their buddies alone to go for that guy heading for the health pad)
and this should happen in every match

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 17:54

#25

Dragonicblaze

Grammar?

I like how the first thing u point out is grammar.. not the content.. anyways. I will have to agree that the quality of the "pros" has gone down over the months in the past 2 years.. but it still depends on ur definition of pros.. if the guy does not understand when to cap and when to attack then definitely he is not a pro in my book either :P
Then again people who whine about AA/spam/weapon choice rnt pro as well. :3

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 23:03

#26

Blue-Flood

Fellow LDers! Help spread a

Fellow LDers!

Help spread a sense of honor in the game!

Berate those that polaris, bomb spam, and camp the other team when they're down a few teammates or clearly undermatched!
There is no need for it, and all it does is spread ill will!
For great justice!

VLR ftw!

Thu, 04/18/2013 - 23:04

#27

Blue-Flood

Great Justice damands a double post!

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