The whole game is getting dramatically nerfed. Things that were already incredieasy, now are EVEN EASIER.
http://youtu.be/eRPRnjy1QyM
This is not a lucky care: before making this video i tried it more than 4 times and it always worked.
/sad
OOO doesn't like skill
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 10:04
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 10:49
#2
The problem is that this game
The problem is that this game is a TOY. Not challenging anymore.
And that puppy lol... it was so easy even before that trick haha.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 11:14
#3
Lol Cool... The problem is that you need to find a new game to play. The vast majority of players have a lot more difficulty getting through the game than you because they haven't played the game nearly as long. I agree, I want more difficult content--I don't know any veteran players who don't--but you also have to appreciate that what isn't challenging for you is still very challenging for other players.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 11:20
#4
I am looking forward to the
I am looking forward to the day the AI receives enhancements and the game becomes interesting again.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 11:20
#5
IT'S T3. It should be hard. If someone thinks T3 is too hard, rather than suggesting a nerf, he should go back to T2 and practice.
Isn't that the idea behind tiers?
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 11:43
#6
What nerf? I'm not arguing that players don't need to go back and practice more if they have problems with content in t3 (Vana or otherwise), just stating a simple fact: it IS difficult for a lot of new players, and even a lot of veteran players still skip the gun puppy room altogether because they have trouble with it. I don't personally see someone getting by the rocket puppy with a dash being that different from any of the other solutions that people have developed over time. And after having known Cool a long time, it is also a simple fact that what he says is 'easy' and what the average player says is 'easy' are two very different things ;)
Mon, 05/27/2013 - 06:29
#7
:>
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil.
Komm aus Egypten, das liegt direkt am Nil.
Zuerst lag ich in einem Ei,
dann schni-,schna-,schnappte ich mich frei
Refrain
Schni Schna Schnappi
Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp
Schni Schna Schnappi
Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil,
hab scharfe Zähne, und
davon ganz schön viel.
Ich schnapp mir was ich schnappen kann,
ja schnapp zu, weil
ich das so gut kann.
Refrain
Schni Schna Schnappi
Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp
Schni Schna Schnappi
Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil,
ich schnappe gern, das ist
mein Lieblingsspiel.
Ich schleich mich an die Mama ran,
und zeig ihr wie ich schnappen kann
Refrain
Schni Schna Schnappi
Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp
Schni Schna Schnappi
Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp
Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil,
und vom Schnappen, da krieg
ich nicht zu viel.
Ich beiß dem Papi kurz ins Bein,
und dann, dann schlaf ich einfach ein.
Outro
Schni Schna Schnappi
Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp (schnapp!)
Schni Schna Schnappi (ja!)
Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp (schnapp!)
Schni Schna Schnappi (mhmm!)
Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp (ja!)
Schni Schna Schnappi
Schnappi (hmm) Schnappi Schnapp
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 12:08
#8
Nah
its only easy for you because you have good ping.
/thread
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 12:17
#9
...
While I agree with the OP in that I would very much like the game to be more difficult, I can't say that it was the 'wrong' decision to nerf the game into the ground as most players tend to the easier content.
Try finding a danger mission party. Or a group willing to do danger rooms in CWs. Not very common.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 12:23
#10
@Aus-Lagger LOLno. There are
@Aus-Lagger LOLno. There are 100k tricks to do it. Even without connection. xD
@Narfle when I was a noob, it was harder for me. Why nerfing now? I am talking about a point which is very different from what you stated.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 12:24
#11
Skills from other games maybe
Just bring your skil/knowledge over from other games. The game Dark Souls (PC) version. Give that a shot and see if you develop new techniques to help you in this game. When I started this game it was not what I expected. I thought it was going to be another brutally difficult game but I have practiced and gained skill/techniques from others like dark souls,.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 12:32
#12
You want skill?
You want skill, you want a challenge? Get some crystal energy and invest in a shadow key, you'll have all the difficulty in the world if you want to do one of those.
Its too bad that some people are such "hardcore gamers" that they can't play a game without complaining about something. I've been with the game since launch and I still find it enjoyable, not everything needs to be at the MLG level in order for it to be a game worth playing.
That being said, i look forward to the future releases of updates for this game as i will continue to enjoy it as long as OOO keeps creating interesting content.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 12:34
#13
@cool
I was responding to Juances, but that's still my point: I don't see how being able to dash past the rocket puppy is a 'dramatic nerf' compared to all the other old strategies that have been around a long time. And the fact that you have played for so long effects your feeling of what is and is not easy in SK.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 12:43
#14
Nope. I said the game is
Nope. I said the game is getting dramatically nerfed. I didn't say this nerf is the dramatic one. Don't quote wrong meanings.
I said now puppy room doesn't even require those little tricks people had to use before. That's all. It doesn't need any feeling of what is easy and what is hard.
It might be your point but then you're off-topic.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 12:45
#15
@Glitchedpixel This
==>
@Glitchedpixel This
==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ljm8bX6fbQ <==
is very old and I was pretty sucky at that time. Now I have my disk full of new vids like that. I'm waiting for pets to come, to upload new solos of everything.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 12:54
#16
So... shock trick not count anymore... ye?
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 13:11
#17
Hardcore gamer.
Its too bad that some people are such "hardcore gamers" that they can't play a game without complaining about something. I've been with the game since launch and I still find it enjoyable, not everything needs to be at the MLG level in order for it to be a game worth playing.
I do die every now and then. (when I just get too lazy to finish a level or when I want to act noobish) I'm just saying skill/knowledge from other games can and would really help a lot.
And anyway you don't have to be "Hardcore" gamer to play this game. Coolnew just wants to create a discussion. (I think)
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 13:41
#18
@Glitchedpixel
Shadow lairs
@Glitchedpixel
Shadow lairs are stupidly easy. It's not hard to get through one without dying or without a party wiping and needing CE. They're just T3 monsters in greater numbers and health.
I've decided to just stop playing the game completely until they open the core or release battle pets so I can get one that looks cool. This isn't even mentioning that the game is even easier with better gaming equipment like good keyboards and mice with programmable macros. Razer Naga Epic, anyone? .-.
I've even resorted to paying 15 bucks a month for a game that's got a lot more content, better PvP, and some more difficulty. (Though to be fair it's been around for like 9 years.)
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 14:04
#19
Tons of hugs.
@Blade-Of-Grass you got it 100%, mate :)
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 08:49
#20
Take off your mask. Then show us your Smile.
Have you tried using "terrible" weapons? Y'know, the ones nobody uses unless they're "Hipster"? CiV, Shard Bombs, Pepperbox? I don't actually know what's hipster, I just use the ruddy things for teh lulz.
Narfle might have been off topic, but he does have a point: anyone who's played before the nerfing IS going to have an easier time, probably to the point where said players may feel the game is too easy (contrary to the thoughts of newer players perhaps, but that conversation's for another time). However, the video in the OP isn't really a good example of this dramatic, universal nerfing from where I sit.
... Is it sad that every time someone says this game is too hard I think "Play Dark Souls!"?
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 14:22
#21
Have I tried using "hipster
Have I tried using "hipster weapons" like my Triglav and Winmillion? Yeah. I've also used 100% Ancient Plate with Heart Trinkets just for hilarity because why not? I wanna see how many health bars I can have! :D
I mean, I can make the game more difficult, but I'd like something to be truly hard for those with powerful gear. I'd love that.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 14:43
#22
Duke Nukem knows his way.
@Gravelord-Caste it doesn't make sense to me. It's really nonsense to "make the game harder". I have my weapons, I've put my effort to get those. I want to use all my stuff. Independently of the difficulty of the mission.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 14:54
#23
Gunpuppy: Bränd!
Coolnew: NO! I was in the air!
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 15:27
#24
Gonna stray a teensy bit off topic
... Is it sad that every time someone says this game is too hard I think "Play Dark Souls!"?
I have died 20 times in the first area of the game. I have died another 20 times to the first boss.
But yes if I were to recommend a "training" game it would have to bo DS. The game forces you to be calm and collected.
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 15:29
#25
Tons of hugs.
LOL@Illu xD
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 19:45
#26
Oh look even another way to sneak past that puppy now..
Sat, 05/25/2013 - 22:02
#27
So yeah
Has anyone else noticed that all mobs completely forget you exist while you're dashing? Test it on those ATH/GTH shufflebots that have that little whirling light that pops us when they aggro. It goes down when you dash, and goes up about two seconds later when they finally re-aggro. was this really necessary?
@hipster/DS people: The problem with the difficulty now is that you have to do either of those things to get a challenge. UFSC/DF vana should be hard enou by itself! You shouldn't have to bring ancient plate, a Suda, an iron slug, and a volcanic pepperbox to feel challenged. It should be hard with a full party in full snarby sets with pentas, voltedges, and blitzes. And I mean truly hard, not fake difficulty ;@)&)"$@?@$! with just tiny rooms full of Trojans and deadnaughts. Smarter AI, more capable enemies. Something that will make it fun every time.
@Glitched: I hate your argument.
I'm speaking for myself here, can't say everyone else feels this way but: I complain about every part of this game I can find something wrong in. Why? So it can be fixed. I know the game can't be perfect, I know the devs won't necessarily listen to or implement everything I say. But I'm trying my best to make this the best game it can be. SK has amazing potential of they just do the core things right, and it's painful to see updates coming out that seem to be diverting further and further from what SK could have been. I'm trying to steer it back.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 04:10
#28
d[O.O]b
@Klipik-Forum thank you! :D
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 04:57
#29
None of you actually cleared
None of you actually cleared that room without exploiting the game mechanics before the update so what skill are you exactly talking about? The only skill that is showing here is OP being a master of sensational titles, if it wasn't the Spiral Knights forums I'd think he works for The Sun.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 07:36
#30
The point is that you don't need skill to get past that room. Which is bad.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 07:45
#31
Again, no one ever used
Again, no one ever used skills to clear that room, it was always about exploits. Have you ever been in FSC?
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 07:50
#32
the problem is that people have always used exploits. this isn't a new problem.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 08:10
#33
The room was already easy.
The room was already easy. All you need to do is interrupt the puppy on the bottom left hand side of the wing until it dies, then move up to the right and finish the zombies, out of its line of sight.
I think saying the whole game is too easy because of one or two mechanics is an overstatement, especially considering the majority of the population may not be as good as you.
There are a few REALLY GOOD people that have been playing a while, and then newcomers and intermediates that still die frequently and need all the help they can get.
Take this mechanic as an opportunity to raise your skill level personally. maybe you can start doing perfect vana runs without taking damage now.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 08:18
#34
^
My point as well, but apparently it was 'off topic.'
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 08:48
#35
Take off your mask. Then show us your Smile.
Well, I don't have many answers regarding how easy or hard anyone finds this and what to do about it, short of artificial difficulty and/or petitioning for a boss to end all bosses. Probably one that wears dead children as a jacket.
Also, as a thought, buffing the game to all hell might - might - kill it, though that's just a personal opinion and not actual fact. (I'm not saying Coolnew wants to buff it to Dark Souls difficulty either.)
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 09:01
#36
LOL I don't think OOO could
LOL I don't think OOO could make anything challenging with this new style of play I've gotten accustomed to.
I tend not to think about it anymore and just rely on GvG for a true challenge. GvG is endgame because of how to requires on not just the individual talent of a player but his intangibles like coordination and selflessness.
EDIT: I'm not sure if anyone has said this but have you tried playing SLs without exploiting flaws in the design? Like IDK...play them the way they were intended? They're pretty great--but that was pre-dash.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 08:59
#37
d[O.O]b
I did Vanaduke solo's without any damage multiple times.
Now I will try to be EPICLY ESPLICITLY CLEAR about my thread:
==> W h y <== d a s h g i v e s i n v i s i b i l i t y ?
1) it's already op
2) the game is already easy
3) there was no need to add additional ease
4) puppy room is just one example: it was easy already (I wrote it above), now it's EVEN EASIER with no reason.
Another way to ask the question: was this invisibility really really really really needed? Isn't it more ==> adequate <== if monsters can see you?.
Let's see if we talk about what I wanted to talk now, without introducing SL, FSC, skills, rooms, other games (lol), etc.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 09:15
#38
And perhaps you should change the title of your thread to 'I don't think dash should give you invincibility,' instead of the inflammatory 'OOO doesn't like skill.' Then, maybe, you would get the discussion you want.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 09:23
#39
d[O.O]b
I'm talking about invisibility, not invincibility.
When I mentioned skills in the last sentence, I ment the way of doing Vanadu....
OMG NARFLE, SERIOUSLY, do I really need to post a picture here? Why did you write your last answer again?
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 10:25
#40
calm down
There is no need for personal attacks. You made this thread, called it 'OOO doesn't like skill.' You invited people to respond based on what they thought the thread was about--the game being nerfed--and you didn't make it clear what you thought the problem was until an hour ago. If I had to guess, whydashgivesinvisibility probably has to do with the invincibility. You could just have easily said that from the beginning and gotten people to discuss what you wanted. Chill out.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 10:30
#41
d[O.O]b
No buddy.
Invisibility and invincibility ain't so related as you say. Recons can be hit without any problem.
My thread started by saying that what you see in my video contributes to nerf the game. Simply. Discuss about it. You first replied that I need to find a new game. So, please, it's not like my thread misleaded your answer. Now for last time:
Isn't it more ==> adequate <== if monsters can see you?
Another OT answer and I will quit the discussion without replying anymore.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 10:32
#42
The video says it all.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 10:41
#43
If that's true then it's
If that's true then it's clearly a BUG and you should FILE A BUG REPORT.
/thread
[EDIT: nvm, I filed one for you.]
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 10:50
#44
I'm wondering if maybe it's not actually invisibility, but teleportation...
Or perhaps you move too quickly for the puppy's range ticks to see.
I should try this with Troika/Hammer dashes.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 11:18
#45
Tons of hugs.
@Hexzyle if that is a teleport, then the animation is wrong? Maybe. What are you gonna try exactly? I didn't understand what you mean.
@Narfle Yep, it might be a bug, but dunno if it's clear from context. I mean, it's been done on purpose maybe. That's my worry :-\
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 11:40
#46
@Coolnew OOO doesn't like you!!!!
Dash is OP in PvE and makes everything too easy but in PvP you can get hit while your are dashing and it's funny.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 12:01
#47
d[O.O]b
@Contri I skipped tons of polaris and bombs already with dash.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 13:35
#48
There was a chill in the air.
@Coolnew Oh I remember when you told me to stop using my Venom Veiler because you said 'the noise makes me sick.' Im sorry but you were probably never able to walk past the puppy without waking it up before this patch. I've walked past the puppy many times and other players have witness me do it and question how I do it. Its simple... wait a few moments before walking forward. Sometimes this work sometimes it doesn't.... sorry but this isn't anything that couldn't be done before. The game was easy a long time ago. Im sorry but the skill here was.. doing this before you could shield dash. Your argument = Invalid
TL;DR I walked past the rocket puppy without waking it many times before shield dash.
Easy does it http://youtu.be/ED6VxreGJ7E
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 14:26
#49
d[O.O]b
@Mister-Chilled you're off-topic on everything except when you said it can be done just by waiting some moments before walking. I'll check it more, thanks.
About other crap you just wrote, instead:
1) cootie made my puppy awake in my test run, so you're wrong
2) i never said vv sound makes me sick, it doesn't make any sense, so you're wrong
3) i see your provocations are still alive. didn't you get enough problems already?
Not important at all, but it's just to be precise.
Also:
about the dash, I wrote everywhere I tried it tons of times before making the video. If I did something wrong, I will check more times.
Sun, 05/26/2013 - 14:13
#50
d[O.O]b
Sorry but this is also funny:
Im sorry but you were probably never able to walk past the puppy without waking it up before this patch
If you really feel the need of saying (wrong and invented) things like this, at least try to keep more in contact with me because not only you're wrong (i wrote before why), you clearly:
1) don't know me at all
2) stayed stuck to some ages ago.
Of course if you don't feel such need, I'll be as happy as you or more.
It's just one thing. What's the problem?
And besides, that pup is a b*****d anyway.