Honestly, I thought it was kinda harsh making everyone pay 10 energy, even the newbies (T1). But now, 50? If dying incurs this harsh a penalty, spiral knights will have next to no-one new coming in to this game because it's too punishing. Eventually the spiral knights community will just end up as either moaning vanguards or raging (and dying) newbies with few and far players in-between.

Well, here is the money grab we've all been waiting for. Time to start playing more Wakfu and Wizard101 (which isn't a bad game when you reach the third world (as long as you don't play myth or balance)).

~Ethanol

Sparks of Life will be purchasable in the Supply Depot

On an off day that you can't play you can use your Mist on sparks, you can save them or sell them. Alternate accounts will likely be buying sparks and putting them on the AH. The higher the supply the cheaper they will be. It might be brutal for a week but eventually there will be so many sparks flying around that death will in inconsequential.

OOO's this is something you should not do, Do not raise the revive cost to 50 ce, you should have kept it at 10 ce like it was in the test server. Otherwise its just stupid on how much it cost to revive a player if you cannot revive someone with your health. Like most players i tend to use ce last in the effort to revive myself, so if you make it 50 that's way to much and definitely punishing players for dieing.

Because if you only have 100 mist energy that means you can only go down once (twice if you count the free revive) since every elevator costs 10 energy to go down. Either decrease this amount back to 10 energy or remove the energy costs on the elevators.

Free to Play members will definitely suffer more from this, and i really don't like using my Crystal energy more than i have to since it costs real $$.

Well that just confirms what I was expecting to happen when I heard about the changes to crafting and reviving. Shameless cash grabs like this are going to kill the game.

Three Rings, Three Rings, Three Rings. Why do you insist on fixing what isn't broken?

This new revive system is an obvious cash grab. You prevent players from reviving with their friends' health, despite it being a mechanic that promoted teamwork and punished bad decisions (which is kinda the point of a team game). I think I know why. You want people to spend a ton of energy on Sparks of Life. Again, obvious cash grab.

But it's actually going to hurt your finances. When the new kid on the Clock (pun intended) sees the cost to revive, you know what he'll think? I quote: "That's fifty energy! That's too much! This game sucks. I quit." And do you know what veterans are going to think when they see the price tag? Again, I quote: "You know what, I'm not using up half my levels just to keep going. I'm just going to play TF2/Fire Emblem/WoW/whatever because they don't charge you four limbs every time you screw up."

Yeah. It's more costly to screw up in Spiral Knights than in Fire Emblem. FIRE EMBLEM. A GAME WHERE IF SOMEONE DIES, YOU EITHER LOSE THEM OR RESTART THE LEVEL. At least in Fire Emblem, all you lose is time, and that time you lost was actually spent fighting before a tragic death forced your restart! (Unless you're one of those people who lets their units stay dead... but let's be serious, who would actually leave Nino dead?) In Spiral Knights, you lose actual time you're able to play the main game- and a LOT of time, at that, because 50 energy is equivalent to five depths worth of hackin' slashin' runnin' gunnin' blastin' bombin' fun. Losing one level's worth of energy was understandable. Losing five? I don't think any successful arcade games ever asked for five credits to continue playing.

The only way to fix the Sparks of Life system is to get rid of it. Please, Three Rings, this is terrible for the game.

sorry for posting here, but I feel this is urgent if it's not a bug.
crod no. 25. 30. not 50. 50 is too much. Don’t do this. It’s suicide. It’s like rasing taxes, the more you raise, the less people will be likely to pay them.

The Danger Mission's are tough challenge's that give good rewards if you succeed and it was not that bad because other people could revive you. But this Update will destroy all the new players and Vanguards will ignore the Danger Missions and won't even do Shadow Lairs anymore. It is 50ce for each revive after the emergency revive, It is the same cost even for Tier 1, TIER 1 for crying out loud. I have to waste tons of crowns on Spark's of Life and doing Vana runs for the crowns is annoying. And Vana runs will be more annoying thanks to the new update with crowns and heat.

While they're at it, why dont they make Sparks of Life as rare of enemy drops as the Darkfang Shield?

I think it's fair enough that you even get a chance to revive.

Don't know about you guys but if you die, you're dead. :|

Or maybe screw revives completely and become a zombie at death.

I feel like people just completely ignored my other comment (not really). :P I say this in my last comment because we all know it would be completely stupid for them to NOT GIVE US a starting pack of Sparks of Lives.

@Necrophyliac

I agree, it's like in TF2 and many other games, you should not be able to play again once you died. Just uninstall the game and forget about the cash you spent for it, about time games get more realistic for duck sake.

@Obama
Since you brough up the subject, I would like to express my opinion on that matter.

There have been multiple threads asking if alt-dragging was an abuse and the mods responded the only bannable offense was the use of a third-party software (multi-key binding for instance), which means they were totally tolerating it. So I dunno how you come with the idea it was an abuse or a cheat since the mods themselve didn't say so. I also always fail to see how it is more broken to drag an alt than doing two independant runs. In the end it's just a reduction of time for an increasing in difficulty, fair trade. I dunno if you ever tryed, but most people get halved fps and double lags when they open two SK instances. I rarely do it myself nowadays, because I'm such a lazy person and I just craft, even with my main, but people who have been spending money to get an "advantage" that was not warrant forbidden have the right to complain about this update. It's purely and simply the supression of a service they paid for.

If they (OOO) are to take actions then they should do it fully, and not aim at a specific usage of the alts, remove the independant mist pool altogether and I'll be all for it then. People claming alt-dragging hurts the economy more than other uses of alts have no idea how money is made in this game, I've done both crafting and alt-dragging before, and clearly, I made ten time the crowns with crafting than with alt-dragging, every months I would get four or five maximums UV's at the very least, with such minimals efforts, plain ridiculous I must say so myself, a ten-minute session and I get a chance at getting the equivalent of a starter pack in energy every week. So, OOO, if you're aiming at improving SK economy, remove all the premium account services, which always is a terrible idea to implement in the first place. Look at what happpend to TF2's economy with premium accounts, they finally had to take action against it. And if you're willing to do this right, you should also remove the pass, (with such a low price it's a given and it's basically unlimited crowns for anyone who has a lot of free-time, and there are a lot trust me) which, by the way, was the real reason, coupled with missions, we almost hit the 10k ce per 100 ce before. I was one of the few whom warned you about it, but no one listened.

About that revive system, well as it has been said, even at 10 ce It was a horrible mistake, but at 50, I just can't believe they would even think about it and secretely hope it's just a bug. But given the zero communication on this thread, odds are the changes were intentional, maybe they are trying to test our reactions and see if they can get away with it. As someone said above, when the announcement was made, I felt something was fishy, and now they are confirming my deepest inquietudes. Willing to see how the crafting will be altered and the real cost of it, we might be badly suprised too. Brace yourselves, storm is coming my friends.

10-20 energy per revive would be perfect, depending on how frequently these sparks drop. If they drop every few levels, 20-25 energy would be more reasonable.

I believe 25 to 30 energy would be completely fair. 30 energy on the first paid revive here would be on par with two paid revives on the live server. That is more than fair. I will consider playing PvE if it's taken to 30 because it would make shadow lairs actually less expensive. I do believe this revive system has some potential in it, but please keep in mind that the costs need to be reasonable to make up for the fact that we cannot revive party members with health anymore. I feel that the free revive to 30 health per level was a good idea. It allows room for error, which I feel is good.

Refine the revive system before it's released, please.

I feel like OOO's response will be "play on easy mode!" Which suggests that easy mode will be ridiculously easy.

Now lets not get ahead of ourselves Klipik-Forum, this isn't Microsoft with their Xbox One. (lol, had to do that) but seriously i think that Coriolis's response is much better than just idly bickering back and forth on wild theories and complaining without actual solid proof.

I really hope that they listen to our, for the lack of a better word, Bickering. Because Coriolis did show us that they are paying attention to the forums.

HEY, did it ever occurred to OOO that the price of reviving should be lower than the price to go back where you died? If I die on D24, I won't rez at 50 ce, I will restart D24...

I think you missed that point literally.... didn't you? XD

Edited my whole post but that find is totally worth it.

lawl.

Dying on the 2nd depth of Ice heart? pfff let's restart! 200 ce for the whole team to rez.... *slowclap*

What this system is actually saying is "we don't want death to be cheap." As in, if you can't handle a mission without dying more than twice, come back when you get better. Or you have way too much money to burn.

@Obama: This is not narcissism. This is the truth. If you cannot handle a mission without only a couple of depths, then you should be training on an easier difficulty. You shouldn't be able to go "HURR I'LL SPAM REVIVES BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY 10 ENERGY." That is not how it should be. I never said 50 energy was the ideal cost. 30 energy is completely fair.

You will not be getting variable cost revives with sparks of life. You seem to not understand that system.

Also, dying multiple times affects me in shadow lairs (sometimes). It's not like I don't realize that I've gotten fairly good because I've played the game way too much to the point where it's obvious that I don't have a social life IRL. Also, who pays the full bill for a shadow lair? Split the bill with everyone so they all pay 32K CR. UFSC will net you a profit if you don't die a lot, though the new system will make you need to die few times because of no health shares.

Also, I'm allowed to compare the current system to the future system. THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT, you weirdo!

Congratulations, you ticked me off. Narcissism? Narcissism? ******* NARCISSISM? Do you even ******* know what that word means? Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my book being in love with yourself is PRETTY ******* DIFFERENT from saying you should need skill to beat a ******* video game.

Moving on. Your shadow lair example. You paid 120kcr to get in? Cool. If you spent that much ******* money just to do 4-6 levels, you had better be **** sure you can ******* handle it. That's the whole point. This emphasizes SKILL over money by making it harder to pay your way through levels. Can't do a mission, or a level? Tried it once, but you died a second time? Get better and come back later.
Not to mention you forgot about the free revive - "...and die 1/2 way through one time" :P

And your thing about revive costs. Let's extend your example, shall we?

Current system, T3, full party
-unlimited revives as long as one person is alive and monsters keep dropping hearts or pills.
-first wipe(all members die): 10 CE
-second wipe: 10 CE
-third wipe: 10 CE
-fourth wipe: 10 CE
-5-8: 20
-9-12: 40
-13-16: 80
-17-20: 160

That adds up to 1,240 CE to party revive 20 times. (Keep in mind you would need to be both insane, insanely wealthy, and completely horrid at the game to do this.)

Now if we compare that to the new system, with 50 CE revs every time, it would take only 800CE. (Still insane.)

Same goes for the solo example. It's cheaper to revive yourself once or twice, but with the cost doubling every time all the way up to 1000CE, once you revive more than 3 times the current system costs more. And also remember you get one free revive per LEVEL, not per mission, so you can die a total of 5 times in FSC and pay no rev cost whereas in the current system you would pay 10+20+40+80+160=310 CE.

I don't really care if you're against this change. Just voice it in a way that uses actual thought-out ideas, not inaccurate insults and incomplete, misleading examples. Get your facts straight.

@Battlegrinder:
"A) Consider me impressed by your gaming skills and lag immunity
B) SHUT UP"

A) This game doesn't take much skill when you have learned the monster behaviors. All it takes after that is basic awareness. These are things that are not hard to learn. Additionally, I don't have lag immunity. I just know how to compensate for it. That's also not hard.
B) No. This is a public SK forum where I can voice my opinion, ESPECIALLY since I'm a tester posting in the test server area.

Now you also seem to be saying "The genre means this!" instead of "The genre contains a lot of games that embody this!" Get it right. Not every MMO is going to follow the "death is cheap" thing. Death should be expensive. It's simple. Learn to play the game or die. The difficulty modes given to us on the test server even give you this option: Practice on a lower difficulty level before moving up. You still get to play the same mission and you don't have to pay a revive cost. If you don't think you can handle advanced or elite, practice on normal. Simple as that.

Do I have to keep repeating this? Three rings is giving you one free revive per level. You also get your sparks of life free from the days that you decide not to play. Just get them in the supply depot and go about your business.

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That said.
@Klipik; You don't get health share revives on the PTS, so basically each member in the party gets a free rev. But if all four are down, then it costs 200 energy to get them all up. I honestly think 50 energy constantly with the free revive would be good if we could keep our ability to health share revive. That would make the system a lot more forgiving for parties while still keeping it punishing for the solo runners.

They still have the Revive cost of 50ce per revive, I have to buy as many Spark's of Life's before the update comes. I already have 4 but that is nowhere near enough for all the Vana runs I do.

They still have the Revive cost of 50ce per revive, I have to buy as many Spark's of Life's before the update comes. I already have 4 but that is nowhere near enough for all the Vana runs I do.

The "Spark of Life" crafting material is going to be renamed when the update goes live. Buying them now will just leave you stuck with a bunch of materials.