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People who say Drakon is a bad choice can get burnt to a crisp!

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Sat, 12/28/2013 - 11:50
#51
Pandafishie's picture
Pandafishie
@Dib

I don't have Brandishes, sorry.

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 12:01
#52
Rhagnarock
erhm...

I hate to break it down to you guys but.... Drakon can ulti stun at a good interval with first attack, it can speed boost through traps while taking 1 ticks of dmg with the speed ulti on flame barrier. Firestorm deal damage regardless of what you do....

People who uses sprites for pure damage are clueless on how they work. Period. They can do so much more and still do dmg if you want em to....

You are given a pet, a companion for you to use in dire situation, if you only tell him "BITE" he will bite and nothing more. Although if you tell him to blast his stun ulti onto multiple target each 14 seconds, it will be one of the most useful thing that will happen to you.

The way I see... Drakon is an infinite source of stun vials... and a speed buff...

The way most people see Drakon: DAMAGE OUTPUT, YAY MORE DMG I CAN SLAY ANYTHING FASTER, DIE DIE DIE!!!

Edit: I'm a 3sword 1bomb kind of player. I outperform any other player in terms of DPM (per minute) and I use Drakon this made me lol because I doubt you can actually take care of a long distance turret easier than someone with a gun... but whatever you say.... you do more DPM obviously... people with chaos and blitz vs vana doesn't have faster DPM... oh wait.... hmmmmmm

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 13:04
#53
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Dibsville
people with chaos and blitz

people with chaos and blitz vs vana doesn't have faster DPM... oh wait.... hmmmmmm

And then Maskeraith comes in, poisons Vana for an extra 18 damage per Blitz shot with my Level 7 Blitz Needle, and also quills Vana, each quill exploding does huge damage, adding about 1k damage for the first Blitz after I use quills and 270 damage for the second Blitz.

I don't have Brandishes, sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUzmEgPXEsc#t=102

First thing I could think of that shows Brandish charge times.

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 16:17
#54
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Bamzalot
I only use my Maskeraith.

I have all 3 pets. Now even though my Maskeraith has all 3 ultimate's my Drakon and Seraphynx have their 3 skills so I think it will be valid enough.

I use my Seraphynx for any support role. This usually involves my Ironmight Plate set or an occasional bomber themed layout. Not a bad pet, but only if used for defense. I see no point to use the Ray of Light due to it's superior weakness.

My Drakon is spammy and deals decent damage. But my weapons deal so much more. I find the 3rd skill less useful than the first since it does the same thing just with less range. So that's basically -1 skill... My least favorite pet.

My Maskeraith lets me 3 shot most monsters in tier 3 elite mode with a proto gun thanks to quills. Nuff said.

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 16:55
#55
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Aplauses

Drakon is the least useful sprite so far. (not talking about ultimate)

The only the skill that is worth using is Flame Barrier, since its provide Defense Bonus and more damage.

Firebolt is only useful when you run out of vials to break unreachable boxes.

Firestorm is only looks cool visually but weak in term of damage. Even it is use correctly(which is hard), it doesn't really do decent damage. Hexing Haze(which is really easy to use) is far more superior.

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 18:13
#56
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Poopsie
...

Out of all 3, I hate seraphynx, but I like drakon the best. Frenzied Firestorm has little bug that let you do twice charge attack at once, just the same with deadly cloak with different timing. Swords are more reliable (usually faster) to kill turrets (by approaching + dodging bullets) btw, assuming the area is not full of spikes.

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 18:39
#57
Your-Buns
Looks

It looks good I don't even use my pet but I like how it looks

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 19:51
#58
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Dibsville
A small breakdown

The thing with Drakon is that unless you have it at Level 100 and choose the Ultimate that gives your team an attack bonus with Firestorm, it has little to no support for the team, which is the one thing that stands out about Battlesprites.

For comparison:

Seraphynx' Light Ray is more or less useless, however it has an ultimate that can lower a target's defense, allowing your teammates to pack in the damage.

Seraphynx' Heart Attack stands for itself, being one of the most supportive sprite skills in the game. There can never be enough hearts.

Seraphynx' Barrier is large enough to protect teammates from damage as well as yourself, and both ultimates are basically made for party use.

Maskeraith's Quills poisons the enemy, allowing for more damage team-wise. It doesn't seem helpful for poison stratums, however the quills also act like catalyzers, doing insane damage when they explode. Anyone in the party can hit them.

Maskeraith's invisibility isn't very team-savvy, however it is good for supporting a single player. Keeping one person alive is still better than everyone dying.

Maskeraith's Hexing Haze speaks for itself... you really can't understand its power until you try using it for yourself.

Drakon's Firebolt can be used to hit switches and melt Ice Cubes, you'd be better off taking the time to hit with your weapon otherwise. While one of its ultimates can stun, we have shield-bashing, and again it'd be better to just attack with your weapon.

Drakon's Fire Barrier is basically a 'get-up-in-their-face' move. No, it literally is just that. Very little support there except for a single person. However, like Maskeraith's invisibility, Backfire Barrier could be used to run away from enemies in a tight situation. While I could go on to say that "keeping one person alive is still better than everyone dying", to date, I've never seen anyone use it for that reason.

Drakon's Firestorm has received enough hate already for me to have to go on about it. One of its ultimates gives your team a small buff, but it doesn't last very long, especially for such a long cooldown.

So, who's the odd one out?

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 20:03
#59
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Blazzberry
I have no mouth and I need to scream

It's quite obvious, really.

It's none other than Morlin's E-Class battle sprite. It gets none of the abilities that make it into a battle machine that are even worthy of mentioning.

He gets absolutely zero of the cool stuff everyone has said and never whined about it.

We could all learn a thing or two from this npc.

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 21:28
#60
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
@Dibsville

this -> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/91255
Drakon has the potential to deal the largest dps if all party members abuse it.
I actually use backfire to close in or rush instead of running away.

Sat, 12/28/2013 - 23:53
#61
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Sirius-Voltbreaker

Maskeraith is AWESOME. I can do a bunch of dAmage with quills (like 150 per quill and it shoots like 7 quills) escape with shadow cloack or hide so I can talk in the midst of battle for chatter boxes like me, and Annihilate all the enemies around me with Hexing haze. Maskeraith is the least attractive yet best sprite quite frankly. It does the most damage and is a life saver.

Dragon is super fun but pretty obsolete due to barriers be added.

Seraph heart attack is really helpful.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 04:35
#62
Fangel's picture
Fangel
I've only got one battle sprite

But I already love playing a support role, so seraphynx fits perfectly with me. The ray of light is a beam of damage that also pushes enemies into a certain location, granted they walk into it, heart attack is super useful (and those defense orbs are nice), and the angelic aura can save you and your teammates' lives. I blocked a howitzer head from smashing into a teammate on fire trying to heal with my aura in a shadow lair recently.

Your battle sprite will only be as good as you let it be. If you don't use it for its intentional use, then of course it will be underpowered. You don't fight constructs with flourishes, so you shouldn't try to make your sprite out to be something it's not.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 04:53
#63
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Xtweeterx

^ This. The only message that battlesprite owners that are not me and Fangel don't understand

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 05:45
#64
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Blazzberry
I have no mouth and I need to scream

Huh. Guess I've been using my sprite the wrong way stacking up on defense orbs for the party THEN using the protective aura to protect those on low health with the added on defense stacking with the shield. But what the heckie do I know, my username isn't Fangel nor xtweeterx. *shrug*

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 10:21
#65
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Sirius-Voltbreaker

Yeah. Some people don't understand battle sprites are for utility, not being a super overpowered weapon. This is why Maskeraith and Seraphinx are seemingly better choices because they don't share properties similar to any weapon.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 15:01
#66
Fangel's picture
Fangel
With the new orb drop mechanics

Your cooldown for a seraphynx will take longer than the defense orb expiration time, granted you and your party pick up defense orbs almost immediately after the heart attack is used. Using a seraphynx as a timely utility is the intended use I've found. Heart attack is great, but if your team is being pushed back, then the ray of light can delay enemy advances. The angelic aura might not last long, but it acts as a second shield for me and my teammates when our shields are broken, plus it makes our shields recover faster. I will also make my seraphynx fire in large arena rooms so that I can still deal damage while repositioning myself.

Your sprite is a tool to make battles more tactical. If your tactic is always run in and slash the monsters, your sprite is just an accessory trinket slot. With the right team and modified tactics from before the battle sprite update, you and your team will not find yourselves in a corner without a quick way out.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:54
#67
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Thegamerguy
@Rocket

Zeddy didn't type that.

Also, I recently got a Drakon, and I've been loving it. Very useful for general Clockworks runs, which I do 99% of the time.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 12:24
#68
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
@Sirius-VoltBreaker

pretty obsolete due to barriers be added.

Nope. They can stack together, I've been using both barriers (item) and fire barrier (drakon) at the same time, then "hug" big monsters like royal jelly or giant lichen.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 12:48
#69
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Draycos

It's been a few months since I've seen this thread. Have a short post that barely contributes!

After that massive thread (read every post for every relevant bit of info) I made coming to an unfortunate close, I can say this: Drakon isn't "bad" speaking by basic terms; he's "bad" compared to other Sprites in most cases. Drakon is the hardest Sprite to itemize for, with foreign concepts like "armor" and "specific weapons only". You need some decent defense in order to make some use out of Barrier's armor-multiplying boost, you need swords that are short-range among swords, you need the rarely-sighted Vortex Bombs to make decent use out of Firestorm.

Firebolt might as well just be a magma driver shot that has bigger effects and area of effect, with a delay that makes it nigh unusable against faster enemies. Concussive Firebolt only sometimes stuns, so it's a bit of a double-edged sword in that inconsistency. Meteoric Firebolt is beautiful, but that's about it, sadly.

And above all else, Drakon needs enemies that aren't resistant to Fire. Otherwise, he's just utility- and the other Sprites have that and much more.

So, to recap: Drakon is not bad by any means, but is imbalanced compared to other Sprites in terms of difficulty and actual effectiveness.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 02:02
#70
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
I didn't want to comment bcoz this thread had 69 posts, but...

you need the rarely-sighted Vortex Bombs to make decent use out of Firestorm.

You need the rarely-sighted Vortex Bombs to make decent use out of anything.
A team without a Vortex Bomber isn't a team at all, it's a collaboration of four players mashing the mouse button in order to slowly crawl towards the exit of the level in a loosely organized fashion.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 16:18
#71
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Xtweeterx
@Sirius-Voltbreaker

Why do you think I slap the Elite Shadow Harness on my Masker in the Jelly Palace or the Elite Piercing harness in Vanaduke's room?

"And above all else, Drakon needs enemies that aren't resistant to Fire."

Go to places that aren't fire levels then.

"but is imbalanced compared to other Sprites"

Die.

Everyone chooses the path they want, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 16:22
#72
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville
A team without a Vortex

A team without a Vortex Bomber isn't a team at all

Welp, time to work on Electron Vortex.

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 19:49
#73
Draycos's picture
Draycos

@Tweeter If you're going to be snarky, you'd better make sure you're right first...

"Just don't go to fire levels" does not prevent Drakon's over-reliance on fire procs from being a problem. Maskeraith isn't totally crippled in Poison levels because quills still hit really hard even without poison, and the only poison-reliant ability it uses -is- that one quill move. Seraphynx isn't limited by statuses at all, either. Clearly it's worth a mention.

Don't tell me to die just because I stated a fact. Drakon is situational and the most "difficult" to use. You can't argue that.

I'm not here to question what choices people make, and you're silly for thinking I am. I'm just stating my own observations and saying "Drakon needs some changes".

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 20:42
#74
Voltorian's picture
Voltorian
no opinion

DVS is dread venom striker right? just wanted to make sure

so i think Drakon is pretty good, though i don't have one. i like drakon's firestorm. people, lets all remember that all sprites have advantages and disadvantages. i use a Seraphynx, which is good for support. overall though, i would probably want one of the next two sprites that are probably in the makings (because moonstone and valestone are practically useless, now that they took out mineral depositing) because:

Drakon doesn't really have much support, and i'm not the type to go all brute force

Seraphynx barely has any attack, and the attack isn't good for moving enemies, and i like to run to get the enemies in a line then hit with a charge then run again, causing the beam attack to be ineffective

Maskeraith is pretty good attack support, but the cloaking is mostly good for running and skipping, and i usually like to attack to get more money and heat

overall, i wouldn't say anything about one being better than the other. each are unique and help in different ways

Tue, 12/31/2013 - 21:01
#75
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville
overall, i wouldn't say

overall, i wouldn't say anything about one being better than the other. each are unique and help in different ways

None of them are better than each other per se, however, each of them can be classified as 'more useful than the others in this situation', and even further into 'this sprite is more useful than this sprite in more common situations'. Maskeraith is, to be blunt, the most all-around useful Sprite. Seraphynx is useful, however it's more of a protective Sprite, and it stops losing its merits when your party is defensive enough to not need the extra protection it gives. And Drakon... obviously has the least support of all of them. I can't say much on it as I rarely use mine, and for a good reason (I use my Masker most of the time, and my Sera the other tiny bit).

Wed, 01/01/2014 - 04:08
#76
Avixi's picture
Avixi
Can I sit down? The sky is swirling around.

So.
http://i.imgur.com/59LFsUO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pazB6aq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/J5zBiiC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LmiVjvv.jpg

Drakon - Both Fireballs are okay. Both Orbs are okay, but Backfire Burner is the more useful. Neither firestorm are any good, especially if you do anything with fire in it, but Frenzied is always good for a laugh as you get an entire 5 seconds of increased damage (good luck coordinating that with a party without voice).

Maskeraith - Both Quills work, and give amazing burst damage to anyone using rapid fire weapons (Antiguas). Vengeful is the underdog but i like the fact that it chains to a second target. Both cloaks work great, Vengeful is the underdog again, but you can activate it willingly and cause amazing crowd control. Haunted Haze is the only thing that's less than "really good". You could argue that with a Drakon you can shield in a crowd of mobs and deal damage without attacking, and I'd argue that a Maskeraith's Hexing Haze can do it better.

Seraphynx - Loses out for Top Tier with Maskeraith in my opinion. Disintegration Ray does the exact same damage as Dazzling after it hits once. The difference between both beams is that Disintegration Ray has the benefit of making everyone's damage better. Also both Rays have amazing synergy with vortex bombs, and are great at pushing enemies or keeping them out of an area. Violent Heart Attack has no real feedback and thus is really underwhelming, whereas you can actually see Iron Heart Attack actually working. That, and Defense Orbs actually reduce damage as advertised. Both Auras are great, but Valkyrian Aura does not work as advertised - it sets your CTR to Maximum. Both Auras suffer from inconsistent durations, especially when another player is under it's influence, vastly reducing invulnerability time.

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