Spiral Knights - Chaos Set Vs. Black Kat Cowl + Chaos Cloak

Chaos Set Vs. Black Kat Cowl + Chaos Cloak

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Mon, 08/26/2013 - 03:47

Shadowstarkirby

I've been trying to search which would be generally better though I've only seen one thread that gave me a little bit of insight on these armor sets.

With the Chaos set, I'm able to max anything I use, CTR, ASI, and DMG (trinkets included) and have space for MSI Medium for my sprite.

With Black Kat + Chaos, I'm able to have CTR VH, ASI Max, and DMG Max (trinkets also included) with MSI High with the sprite.

If the weapons I used were brandishes and alchemers, would it be better to give up BKC, it's Freeze resist and MSI, for the CTR on Chaos? Or would it be better to drop an ASI trinket for a CTR trinket (CTR VH would be maxed and ASI would be VH)?

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 04:57

Zeddy

How come your damage and ASI are at max and not ultra? Low UVs?

With brandishes and alchemers, I'd go for CTR over ASI.

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 05:06

Bopp

the thread

You might be thinking of this rather detailed thread:

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/87567

In post #14, I lay out some of the combinations you could try, if you use swords, guns, and bombs all at the same time. Note well that the proposed Black Kat Cowl set assumes that the weapons themselves carry CTR+4, ASI+3 UVs, which would be insanely expensive in practice. If you don't use swords, guns, and bombs at the same time, but use only two (or one) of these weapon types, then you can max them out more easily.

I agree with CTR over ASI for brandishes and alchemers.

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 05:13

Mohandar

Dissenting opinion- if you alch switch with any proficiency, you should get ASI over CTR. One piece of Chaos will also give you total VHigh, which is sufficient for the occasional charge attack if you need burst damage.

I think the main reason to use BKC is to stack the MSI with your sprite perk- I've been running around at MSI High and it really lets you run circles around everything. Running BKC also gives you the choice of capping damage (+7) or leaving at ultra (+5) and throwing on alternative weapon boosts. As much as I love it, BKC is best utilized by hybrids than full gunners.

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 05:36

Zeddy

Full bombers on the other hand!

Black Kat Cowl
Mercurial Demo
Shields are for chumps

2x Elite Bomb Focus Trinket

Very High Damage
Max CTR
Very High MSI

If you get medium CTR UVs on your bombs, you can swap out a trinket to max out damage.

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 05:40

Bopp

yeah, actually

Yeah, actually Mohandar's point is very important, that alchemer regular attacks are also very strong, if you are highly skilled. (I'm not quite there myself.)

Zeddy, I'm surprised that you didn't list Swiftstrike Buckler, to get that tiny bomb speedup.

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 07:49

Shadowstarkirby

Whoops

@Zeddy I knew I forgot something important, it was Swiftstrike + ASI Med UVs on all weapons side bombs being CTR Med of course. I should fix that. But okay, CTR would be best for a swordie setup. Your bomber set is also very attractive, though as Bopp said I'm surprised you don't have a Swiftstrike in there too!

@Bopp Yup, that's the one exactly, thank you Bopp. I only use 2 weapons usually at any given time (Sword + Gun, Gun + Sword, Bomb + Sword). But yes, that's very expensive and I don't see myself changing out of for max everything ever. Seeing as all my gear only has ASI UVs, I'd either have to choose having ASI Max or CTR Max with a gunner/sword set up (Alchemers and Blitz/Brandishes and BTB).

@Mohandar That's very true, I was considering keeping ASI for a gunslinging because I don't use the charge often and alchemer switch more. I think the MSI benefits ASI much more for all the extra strafing speed it provides.

After reading your replies I think it would definitely be best to get CTR max using swords though that'd leave me with an ASI VH BTB and get ASI Max for using guns though it'd leave me with with an ASI VH Blitz. Also might vendor Chaos Hood. Thanks again. :)

I just want to hear opinions though, on brandish anyway; would having ASI Max on a brandish be good in it's own right? Cause I'm having this thought that using charges less would promote better a better playstyle than spamming charges regardless of how incredibly effective they are.

Mon, 08/26/2013 - 08:06

Bopp

brandishes are good in regular attacks too

As you know, brandish charge attacks are really strong. But brandishes are very strong in regular attacks too (data), at least against single targets. So, yes, ASI is quite valuable. I will say, however, that brandish regular attacks are kind of dull. The two- and five-stroke swords are more fun for regular attacks, I find.

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 11:49

The-Mighty-Potato

"Zeddy, I'm surprised that

"Zeddy, I'm surprised that you didn't list Swiftstrike Buckler, to get that tiny bomb speedup."

That's raised a question from me. Does ASI actually speed up a bomb a little bit? (You can have Swiftstrike + Fallen set and you will also technically have Bomb ASI Ultra). Does it actually speed up the fuse time?

EDIT:
@Shadowstarkirby Thanks :)

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 11:32

Shadowstarkirby

@Bopp Haha, for some reason I

@Bopp Haha, for some reason I can't help but think otherwise, I love three-strokes. Thanks for the data though Bopp, very helpful.

@The-Mighty-Potato ASI for bombs doesn't speed up the fuse time, CTR does that. What ASI does is make you lift the bomb into the air a tad bit faster before it begins to charge.

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 11:47

#10

Demonicsothe

@Shadow

I believe fuse time refers to the time between dropping the bomb and detonation.

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 12:03

#11

Shadowstarkirby

@Demonicsothe Yeah, that's

@Demonicsothe Yeah, that's what I thought CTR did (it allows you to charge the bomb faster + make the bomb detonate faster), unless that isn't right? :o

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 13:38

#12

Sir-Turtlebear

There is only one way to reduce fuse time on a bomb, and that is to have stun wear off while your bomb is out.

Tue, 08/27/2013 - 14:30

#13

Shadowstarkirby

Oh you're right, just checked

Oh you're right, just checked myself to be sure, it's definitely not changing due to CTR. My mistake.

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