Spiral Knights - Pretty close to being done with this game

Pretty close to being done with this game

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Thu, 05/19/2011 - 12:21

Tengu

As the subject line says, I'm on the edge of giving up on this game and moving back to DDO until I get sick of it too.

I might as well give the post-mortem now, since I will probably not come back to the forums after I give up.

The gameplay is really fun, and the ability to grind and farm to buy CE is...okay, I guess. It'd be a little nicer if the prices were regulated and out of the free economy.

Building items is pretty awesome, I have to say. The CE prices are very much not.

The biggest detractor for me was the ME. I have to wait 22 hours to log back on to get any sort of playing done. It'd be nice to think that I would at least get an entire 10 runs out of 100ME, but since I don't enough Cr or CE to build armor past 2, I die a lot in Tier 2. Thus, I have to revive myself, and spend more ME. The cr intake is nowhere near necessary to bolster the CE tank for extended runs or armor building.

I understand the design schema; it's the business model for modern MMOs to have crippled gameplay for free play. I think the necessity for energy has far outstripped the playability of the game. I feel like I'm just getting warmed up and in the "zone", so to speak, and I have to go back to Haven to wait another day.

suggestions?

Have energy drop. ME only. You have HP, Cr, and Heat drop, why not add some little blue dots for ME?

Get rid of CE costs for items and double, triple, or quadruple the amount of materials needed. Make everything bound as well. If there's going to be a player-derived economy in your game, make it on materials alone.

Also, make it easier to get recipes. Just put Basil in the Level 0 lobby, and make him a ME charge to access.

I've only been on a short time, and the game has really endeared itself to me, but I just can't invest enough playtime into it to care.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 12:38

Eruzei

If you need T2 stuff, ask

If you need T2 stuff, ask around, there are many people willing to make gear for newbies (myself included).

But since you've already given up, I guess that offer is moot anyway.

Also, linking this guide again for any other newbies who might find this thread: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/2909

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 12:34

Sumomo

The biggest detractor for me

You're doing it wrong.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 12:35

Madadder

ME, ME, ME,ME....ME how do u

ME, ME, ME,ME....ME

how do u expect OOO to make money? ill admit its not easy to start this game unless you are immediately willing to pay but once you get the ball rolling its much easier

join a guild... have them help you make enough to sustain yourself crown and CE wise maybe ask if they would make some gear for you something along those lines make a difference

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 12:36

Gigafreak

Legacy Username

Mist is free so you can try

Mist is free so you can try the game out before you commit real money towards CE. You can get to Tier 2 on Mist alone, without a single scrap of CE.

Asking for more Mist is like asking for the retail version of a demo, for free. You can either play limited amounts for free, or pay for the ability to get a lot farther and see more content (like upgrading to the retail version for other games).

Though I still find it fun to see how far I can get without using real money. Finally made it to the Core yesterday. Haven't spent a dime. I put together my 4* set just before they vastly raised the crafting costs though. So now I'm pretty worried my two friends will have a serious struggle just trying to join me. I'm the one who got them into this game, so I can't help feeling a little responsible for any frustration the game might end up causing them.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 13:01

Guardianknight

@ tengutengu. If u do end up quitting...

I am still somewhat new and still want to give the game
some time so if you do end up quitting......could I have your stuff?
I know that seems kind of selfish but I could use it so if you
are feeling generous look me up...

IGN Firesword

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 13:54

Coatl

[i]The biggest detractor for

Ciato> You're doing it wrong.

I actually can't agree more. You must not be playing skillfully if you can't play for hours on end and still have enough energy to keep you going. Also, I disagree with all of your "ideas" you wish SK would implement. No. Just no.

Thu, 05/19/2011 - 14:04

Tengu

well, hmm. Very clannish

well, hmm. Very clannish forum.

I was typing up a rebuttal, but it appears that it's not gonna really be appreciated.

I'll be taking my leave then. I'll give my accumulated mats and stuff to my guildies. Have fun spending money, ya'll. Maybe they'll patch some alleviation to the problems soon.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 06:32

Gigafreak

Legacy Username

"I have to revive myself, and

"I have to revive myself, and spend more ME."

...Wait, nobody told him that his teammates can revive him by sharing health? It's one of the load-screen tips... You shouldn't need to spend Energy on revives more than once per run unless you and your whole team are completely awful at the game.

Or was he solo the whole time? The game was designed to be played as a team, not alone...

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:18

Volebamus

Many of us never had to pay money for Tier 2

tengutengu
I was typing up a rebuttal, but it appears that it's not gonna really be appreciated.
I'll be taking my leave then. I'll give my accumulated mats and stuff to my guildies. Have fun spending money, ya'll. Maybe they'll patch some alleviation to the problems soon.

I'm sorry tengutengu, but many of us never had to pay money to get past and finish Tier 2. It's really getting to Tier 3 that is more of a grind and would be more of a legitimate complaint.

I think the issue is that you don't know how to conserve Energy properly. The main things are:

Have as much people in your group as you can, almost no downside at Tier 2.
Learn to be tactical with your shileding to minimize damage.
If you die, have your teammates revive you by giving half their health.
If you can't do #3, then only revive yourself 2 times AT MOST. Never spend more than 10CE on a revive.
If in Tier 2, continue as far past Basil as you can till you can't enter Tier 3. Deeper you go = more crowns.

If you do this, and keep going through Tier 2, you'll notice that that crowns you take in are actually more than how much CE you get. Eventually, you'll actually start to accumulate enough to improve your gear to 3*, and have a much easier time.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:25

#10

Pawn

@ OP

Also they gave a built in cushion with Jelly King. He's designed to allow you 'free' pieces of 3 star gear. Finding parties that can take down jelly king should be possible regardless of what 2 star equipment you have. Just type it in tradechat: /2 who wants to help with a JK run, i have weak gear? You'll get some takers. Some people (like myself) love carrying new guys through a JK run. Can spend your winnings on CE---you will get enough crowns for around 150 CE per run, or 100 CE per run with about 2k to spare. Collect jelly tokens. Upgrade your armor through crafting/buying premades to lvl 3. Spend ur tokens on a sealed sword. Or upgrade your sword to 3 star via buying a premade (like nightblade=good for JK runs) and upgrade armor thru tokens. The jelly tokens are a great spot to "get ahead" when working on 3* gear.

Fri, 05/20/2011 - 07:45

#11

novareid

Legacy Username

well, hmm. Very clannish

well, hmm. Very clannish forum.
What does that even mean? Yes, some people made some trollish replies, but you can only blame yourself if you get mad at them.

I was typing up a rebuttal, but it appears that it's not gonna really be appreciated.
I'll be taking my leave then. I'll give my accumulated mats and stuff to my guildies. Have fun spending money, ya'll. Maybe they'll patch some alleviation to the problems soon.
It sounds like you've given up before you've even tried. The reason why Ciato said "you're doing it wrong" is because, if you're in a guild, then having competent team mates should at least be a possibility, which means that you shouldn't have to use energy to revive at all. Even if you're playing with pugs, you shouldn't have to use energy to revive very often. One reason that your team mates are there is so that they can revive you if you're down. The only reason that you should use energy to revive is because the entire party wiped, or is close to being wiped. This is true at all levels, from T1 through T3. If your entire party wipes every time you go into the Clockworks, then you're either playing with the wrong people, or you need to learn how to play the game better. And I don't say that with any animosity or sarcasm. It is as simple as that.

I also want to point out that jeburk makes a great suggestion. Each Jelly King run gives you roughly 5000 Crowns from the first lift all the way to beating Jelly King. Guess what? That's roughly enough Crowns for 100 CE. The best thing of all is that it will cost you only 80 energy. And then the next day, when you have 100 Mist Energy, you can do it again. At that point, you will have 200 CE, purchased only using Crowns, and enough to craft one piece of 3* gear. Crafting 3* gear is not as difficult as you make it out to be.

I'm tired of people moaning about how Mist Energy is not enough to completely grasp what the game is. It most certainly is enough. If you ever read this reply, I suggest that you, for lack of better words, quit being such a sissy.

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