Spiral Knights - Remove UV's from Lockdown

Remove UV's from Lockdown

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Wed, 09/04/2013 - 12:25

Dekuinanutshell

its about time we shined some light on this matter. Personally I don't mind trinkets, I dont mind ASI vog setups, nor do I mind the Max damage bonus when you go full skolver, or full snarble. But what I do mind is when I run into that one person who has max damage resistance on shadow and normal, max damage resistance on elemental and normal and or max damage resistance on piercing and normal. To top it off lets not forget those moments when you're minding your own busness then outa no where you see 1 Chaos player/skolver/vog/mother/what ever swing by with a asi very high and they have maximum health you get 12 hits on them and they get 2 on you.

For me I find UV's to be the steroids of lockdown because for 1 not everyone has efficient UV's for lockdown causes. Secondly this creates a huge disadvantage for players that are just starting out that have no UV's to begin with. If players find that UV's makes the game different and gives an advantage of such a sort then maybe there should be a new gametype called Lockdown classic and make the current Lockdown called Lockdown Elite where players can use UV's to their advantage. This way players can enjoy the thrill of using a faster weapon or a chance to have a decent Lockdown match without having to worry about getting stunblocked by a Flourish with ASI very high or getting a lethal dose of shock and ice by the alchemer line with ASI very high.

Please keep the comments civil this is a forum not the arena.

Wed, 09/04/2013 - 13:22

Flamearc

@Dekuinanutshell

Well... that will just ruin the economy....
and I doubt Three Rings would ever do that because Punch is one of the most successful crown sink in Spiral knights

Wed, 09/04/2013 - 21:42

Deleted-Knight

Not going to happen

UVs, trinkets, wolf clones, etc. are here to stay. Taking them out would have too much backlash from the community and it won't exactly be easy for OOO to do so.
As for making a UV-less alternative, check out forum node 86187.

Wed, 09/04/2013 - 23:47

Feyi-Feyi

Sigh, what's so hard to get about the 'Unique' in UV?
They're not meant to be there on every item for everyone by default. You either get lucky or work towards them.
They're intended to give players an advantage. Otherwise why would we even want them?

As for the sudden removal of them: Imagined if the world as a whole said something like this..

'Hey guys, everything you own 's not worth anything anymore. Only money counts from now on'

I know you suggest 2 forms of LD to resolve this but the reason we don't even have lobbies (which would solve every complaint ever)
is that there are not enough people actively playing LD to make it work.

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 00:34

Glittertind

"Secondly this creates a huge disadvantage for players that are just starting out that have no UV's to begin with." -Dekuinanutshell

Doesn't this apply to most things?
It's not like players necessarily start out with trinkets either... Or the top star gear for their tier...

These are things you do runs for to make (or buy in-game currency), the only difference with UVs is that they are random, and getting good UVs for Lockdown rarely is a cakewalk (it can be though, if you're lucky). It seems for me that the only reason people complain is because they find that properly UVed gear is too expensive to buy, or too difficult to make (which is the reason it's expensive in the first place).

I mean, you can easily relate this to the black kat cowl. A good piece of gear that is difficult to "make", and expensive to buy because of its rarity.

If you want Lockdown to be truly fair, ask for pre-defined classes.
I don't think it would be wise to split Lockdown and running the risk of having too few players play the different modes (Lockdown on EU server is pretty much dead already)... So either they should leave it be, or convert entire Lockdown to be based on pre-defined classes with pre-defined armour/weapons/bonuses (or well, this is my opinion on it).

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 00:36

Reto-Da-Liz

1) Med UVs are cheap and are all you need if you have an acceptable connection.
2) I've seen UVless people OWN heavily UVed people (Brandondasilva, Vatrenmac, Globalshine etc.)
3) Connection wins over UVs. Understanding the game and predicting people wins over UVs.

Removing UVs would kill the economy, the interest of many players and, ultimately, the game itself.
Now please stop complaining about UVs. Go farm FSC like everyone did (and does) and buy your own UVs.

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 02:41

Ezho

Yes you have right reto! and

Yes you have right reto! and take me i never play lockdown with Uv and im awesome!

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 04:06

Msaad

-1 to this thread.
+1 to Reto-Da-Liz.

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 04:59

Dekuinanutshell

@ All

For one you guys are missing the point. First off I've deliberately stated that if this is too much then create a SECOND alternative to playing lockdown. Secondly, I've also stated that its a game type that restricts such perks from the game type; not the game itself. Thirdly I put out if this is too much for just 1 group, keep the lockdown situation at this time so players can use UV's to their advantage and have a second alternitive for players that want a fair game that isnt littered with ASI UV's

The game still gives variety just like a regular lockdown the only difference is that the items are laid out equal and not co-dependent on UV's to enhance the moment for a better advantage. This not only creates an equal gametype but it also creates a well rounded moment for all players to fight with.

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 06:41

Dragneel-Wiki

You just went fully hurr durr. "Offensive foul on Dragneel!"

You think Lockdown will be "more" balanced if we "remove" the so called "UVs"? You think that it's going to be fair for everyone not to have any UVs at their disposal? You think that the LD community is so-large that it can withstand 2 gametypes and not die on the EU server? Look, LD won't ever be balanced as long as the weapons-armors-trinkets-connection are found, you hear me?

Want to have fun without being wrecked by asi VH users? Simple, you have many ways:

1. Use $$$ (Not a bad thing, you are spending on a game that you love.)
2. Grind crowns > Roll UVs > Get lucky someday > Done.
3. Beg people - friends - guildees for either UVed weapons or crowns to roll. (I am encouraging on Roll-Addiction here "2nd Offensive Foul on Dragneel!"
4. Stop playing LD > No moaning > Done.
5. You like nothing of these? Well, deal with it.

Ok, I shall stop talking or I'll get a third offensive foul that leads to a technical foul. Laters!

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 09:49

#10

Our-Little-Ajo

Elite Lockdown.

Normal Lockdown.

All the features at this moment + sprite perks (noobs need HELP)

Elite Lockdown

No UVs
No ce rez
No perks
No AT.

I'll be alone with my kids,if someday OOO try to make LD competitive.

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 10:47

#11

Dekuinanutshell

@Dragneel-Wiki

Damn what is this a threat over a game? There are ways to balance a game type regardless the onlything we cant balance is skill and thats where competition makes this a key role. Secondly if the Lockdown Community is "so large" then maybe they would enjoy a second alternitive for the growing community. Thirdly I dont mind the Lockdown we have now, I would love to get better UV's but as for now I'm in concern for newer players that don't know how to evade a ASI very high FF, this deters players from even trying to do lockdown. Having a second option to fight without worrying about getting mulled by a ASI VH FF.

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 10:49

#12

Dekuinanutshell

@Feller

What about an option in the middle to have only Trinkets as an addon with no UV's, or pet perks?

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 12:04

#13

Shaadowth

acharia melhor..

é melhor um outro tipo de Lockdown, uns que tem uvs asi, e outros que não tem.
Tipo, 2 tipos de Lockdown, em que nada de uv é permitido os uv são bloqueados,
e outro que tudo é permitido

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 12:04

#14

Krakob

UVs are in my opinion bullfeces and wreck the balance of LD, though not too much. You can't really do some things without UVs, though. Such as bombing as a Striker. Of course, so many people would rage quit if UVs were removed or altered so it's a no-go regardless.

@Feyi
"Unique" doesn't equal "just plain better", it equals "unique". Zeddy made a brilliant suggestion about it some time ago but it obviously won't happen 'cause of reasons stated above. Here's the thread: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/76618
A unique variant is at the moment a pay to win buff.

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 16:29

#15

Recreatedhero

Ezho has no UVs

yup ezho has no UVs.....none at all.

Thu, 09/05/2013 - 21:32

#16

Spookington

My knee's actin' all funny!

Thassa musta' meen 'dere be a thunner'sturm a'comin' dis way or a gaggle of lockdown a'leetists a'makin up a'scuses fo why 'dem 'dere brand of pay'ter'win sullbhit is a'sceptible!

Despite my homely appearance and abhorrent attempt at a stereotypical hillbilly accent, I'm actually an adept translator of this particular dialect of sullbhit; U.N.-LEVEL-INTERPRETATION, HO!

"Us having the best and most expensive UVs while you not is beneficial to the economy!"
*Actually means...
"We are using OOO's desperation and the pretty crappy CE-to-CR exchange rate to validate ourselves! If not for us, this game would not exist, for our endless purses are the genesis, omega and ultimate linchpin of the game! We're more important than you!"

"UV's are unique for a reason! Not everyone should have them, there NEEDS to be incentive for people to roll for them! If you take them out, it'll make them completely useless! Everyone will ragequit! "
*Actually means...
"We're ATLAS, with the world on our shoulders! People don't want to play a game where they don't have a finance-dependent advantage over the new, the uninitiated, and the poor! If we DON'T have our way OOO, we'll leave the game and NEVAR RETURN! ... Even though bombers took an even worse blow to their arsenal and still take it better compared to whenever anyone even threatens our dominance... but we shouldn't have to, because we're special!"

"UVs are the god-given right to those who know how to best exploit the topsy-turvy state of the market or have the strength, endurance, and bravery to grind FSC enough to make enough scratch to roll for three UVs per gear piece! You have no right to criticize them for buying out the ability to automatically be have maximum speed, damage, and nigh-invulnerability to all the actually dangerous statuses!"
*Actually means...
Perhaps if you LAZY and UNGRATEFUL SERFS weren't so weak-willed, even YOU could have all those UVs if you had the endurance and work-ethic to run the same farking dungeon for a parsley 7k CR per 5-level run to save up enough for what will be about ~500k CR total for a single gear piece (at least) by the end of it if that all goes well and you're incredibly lucky! Of course, you could just pay for it all with real money that you could be spending on real-world objects, or at the very least not on some casual MMO. Priorities are for chumps anyways. I mean, I don't - totally- but other people do and it's all cool, I guess... Not that I would know!
*Or alternatively, (my sullbhit gets a little rusty some times)
"I WAS PSYCHOTIC ENOUGH TO GRIND THE SPARSE ENDGAME REPEATEDLY UNTIL I HAD AT LEAST A MILLION CR TO BURN, AND I NOW DESERVE TO WIN EVERYTHING FOREVER! THE NAME OF THE GAME IS NOW 'FARK YOU: GOT MINE', YOU LAZY PLEBS! THIS CLUB IS FOR BLOOD-CRAZED OBSESSIVES ONLY!

... NO MOMMY, I'M NOT TAKING MY PILLS ANYMORE! YOU CAN'T STOP ME! NO, YOU HAVE A TIME-OUT! THE THORAZINE TASTES LIKE THE LEAD PAINT I HUFF! MY CAPSLOCK KEY WILL NEVER FALL SILENT, LIKE THE PACK OF DOGS THAT HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY BARKING 'JINGLEBELLS' ON A LOOP INSIDE MY HEAD FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS!"

"If you don't like it, get out!"
Translates to...
" Ugh, LD queues take so long, where *is* everyone? If only those broke noobies would stop complaining about our hard-earned god-modes, maybe people wouldn't be fleeing this wonderful jircle-cerk built of entitlement and pandering! Seriously, I wonder why the player base for lockdown is so small..."

I think after hearing these excuses for the past two years I've finally stopped taking them seriously. Maybe tomorrow I'll be more serious or whatever, but for now I'm going to treat the topic with the respect it deserves - NONE AT ALL!

HIT AND RUN!

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 00:22

#17

Dragneel-Wiki

Why would the newbies be an exception to avoid the "ASI VH FF"? All of us were newbies before, and got wrecked by them none-stop, till we got to endgame, and started making some profit. Hey, I DID on this game (About 90$ if that concerns you), but I can assure you that I spent none of these $$$ on getting my 3 ASI VH weapons. "Everyone" can get UVs, but people have priorities, right? Some might not be "THAT" interested in LD, thus, will not spend their money on rolling UVs.

What really matters in LD isn't UVs, it's your latency/ping. You have horrible ping? GG, WP. You have good connection? Just get asi med (Pretty cheap), train well, and you will be defeating these "ASI VH HURR DURR ROLLERCOASTERS" in no time.

"Secondly if the Lockdown Community is "so large" then maybe they would enjoy a second alternitive for the growing community"

Please tell me you're kidding. Did you even read what I said? The LD community is so small that it'll probably die on the EU server if it was divided into 2 gametypes.

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@Spookington:

Why is being P2P is a bad thing? You don't want to spend on the game, don't moan about others getting better stuff with it. I partially agree with you since SK is supposed to be "F2P", but meh.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 00:38

#18

Feyi-Feyi

@Krakob

I'll be honest here.. I do like them to mean 'just plain better'.
Why? because they're the only thing I ever had to grind for.
I want a tangible reward for that -not some lame costume.

There are 2 kinds of people in this thread..
They who have UVs and feel attacked because people want them gone.
(I'm not afraid, on the list of good suggestions this ONE forum post is down at the bottom. So yeah, haha drama much.)

They who don't have them and asking them to be done away with.
From my perspective they are asking the pro athlete to put down his Nikes and start running in sandals just because they are.

LD is the way it is. There is no way to change it now without enraging too much people. Graveyard the damn thread because I can't refrain from posting.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 04:12

#19

Krakob

@Feyi
Not really. I have UVs.

BKC: Fire Low, Elemental High
Ironmight Plate Mail: Elemental Medium
Barbarous Thorn Blade: ASI Medium
Gran Faust: ASI Low

I also have Pentas as well as a friggin' BKC. Every single thing I've listed here honestly needs a nerf if you ask me. Pentas turn strikers into tanks, UVs just turn it into further pay to win, etc.

I doubt you didn't grind or pay for your first set of 5* stuff, really.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 04:48

#20

Leekcoco

I'm not quite sure why people

I'm not quite sure why people have a problem with those who paid something (time grinding, or real money, whatever) getting nice things. Yeah, UVs have people outclassing those who lack it, but everyone have a chance to get them, no one is stopping you.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 04:53

#21

Feyi-Feyi

I don't want to make it into a competition because that's just wrong but:

I'm at this point still F2P. Of course you grind for your first set of 5*
I also did for all of my UV's. Never payed for one of them.
Only thing I bought was BKC (with Ce).

It's not pay to win imo. It's putting in effort to win in my case.
So why should I lose all of that because someone else didn't put in that effort? It's not my problem after all.

Such a sad thing..

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 05:33

#22

Krakob

@Leekoco
Let's just do some simple maths, shall we? Roughlhy speaking, a Vana run takes an hour and pays 10k. An ASI VH Final Flourish costs 1m CR. Same goes for an ASI VH 5* SS line sword, and a Shock Max Skolver piece. Let's add I dunno 500k for the Shock High Skolver piece. That means we need 3.5m to get to the top. We need 350 Vana runs to pay for that. Since one takes about an hour, we need 350 hours. Let's do some rough numbers on the time people have:
You start with 24 hours a day.
You sleep 8, leaving you with 16 hours.
You eat and prepare for the day an hour a day, leaving you with 15 hours (counting dinner here).
You work/go to school/whatever another 8 of those, leaving you with 7 hours.
You need to actually take care of stuff (dishes, groceries, your cat, etc.) for 2 hours a day, leaving you with 5 hours.
You do homework or do work related stuff for 1 hour a day, leaving you with 4 hours.
You socialise with others an hour a day, leaving you with 3 hours.
You fancy relaxing and browsing the web and such for an hour a day, leaving you with 2 hours.

These numbers are of course estimates. In the end, I don't think too many are able to play more than max 3 hours a day. Say you get two hours a day. This means you need 175 days to get all this stuff. That's half a year. Besides, you know what else you could do with 350 hours spread out half a year?
You could learn a programming language! You could learn an instrument! You could play other games! You could become Batman! You could yeah you get it. There's a lot more to life than SK.

So please tell me again how nothing is stopping me :3

@Feyi
So in the end, you only care about it because you grinded and not because you're concerned with the balance of the game?

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 05:54

#23

Reto-Da-Liz

merchanting > grinding

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 06:06

#24

Krakob

@Reto

For merchanting to work, there must be others who fail on it. It's most certainly not possible for everyone to do it.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 06:08

#25

Reto-Da-Liz

I know. Good thing people give up soon on merchanting :D

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 06:24

#26

Krakob

Exactly. Any other suggestions?

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 07:15

#27

Feyi-Feyi

I care about it because it is the only tangible reward you're able to get out of playing this game.
I stay away from DOTA/LOL and TF2 because I couldn't give a damn about hats or costumes.

I put in effort, I want my rewards >:(

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 07:21

#28

Our-Little-Ajo

Once you got the knowledge

You get Monster profits.

I have enough to make a lot of alts with ASI VH and Max in everything.

I really need an alt so noobs stop talking to me.

I'm the only rich pure F2P.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 07:28

#29

Theirillusion

UVs aren't separate from the gear. A sword can't have a UV, it's just how people say it. The sword IS a unique variant.

If UVs aren't allowed in LD I can't use anything but like one set.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 07:35

#30

Krakob

@Feyi
So you do care because of the effort and not the balance. I'd say reward for grind should basically stop at 5* and UVs should be overhauled but I already said that so whatever. Real reward for effort should be skill and success through it, not getting an overall more powerful character.
Just look at any RTS. You don't need half a year of grinding to beat a veteran, you need half a year of skill.

@Theirillusion
It should be really simple for the programmers to disable UVs in special cases so that's irrelevant.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 07:42

#31

Theirillusion

@Krakob

I was thinking that, but it's less logical than mist disappearing.

"Your item is unique, it has more defence against normal attacks. But when playing vs other players it's no longer unique. It is then replaced by a regular version of your item." duh

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 07:43

#32

Krakob

Considering it's widely known that Knights beat each other up for fun and the Spiral Order doesn't even care, it's pretty obvious that we can skip the whole "logic" part.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 09:12

#33

Our-Little-Ajo

We need Elite Lockdown.

No rez
No UVs
No AT.

101% skill.

I have the best LD skolver set around, all my weps ASI VH, and I really don't mind to give up all that if OOO give me a LD without Aimbot.

No more crappy brandish noobs. Elite Lockdown FTW.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 09:42

#34

Krakob

I don't say it often but I truly agree with Feller here. I'd probably play it more than LD with UVs and AT, simply because there'd be less feces emitting from mouths of jerks. Also no pay to win.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 14:05

#35

Theirillusion

The thing is... most (NOT all) people that have maxed out gear will pwn ur @$# anyway. Because UVs do very little compared to skills.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 15:21

#36

Dekuinanutshell

@wiki and more

I dont see why he acts like he posted this before I even typed. Seriously some people need to get a life if their going to be attacking others on a forum.

@All I just wanted to put this up there, did they or did they not just release an epic update that removed the p2p system and legitly made it a F2P game? Everyone said that there was never going to be a time when OOO would even think of doing such a thing yet they went the extra mile and not only removed the elevator penalty fee BUT They included pets, which were another thing everyone on the forums were suggesting and shooting down. On a personal scale I feel like the majority of the frequent forum sprayers here are trying to act like you work in the submarine but in reality you don't. You're not financing their plans, budgeting their flights around the world, giving them a pay raise instead you're at home just typing away a war because you don't want anything else to change.

In reality the majority of the players here have been grinded by ASI UV's penta heartpendants, and impenetrable defense strikers, yet there should be a line for those who don't even want the thought come to mind because someone like fayite will just plow through them like a proto gear wielding proto sword swinging player. Almost everyone thinks that theres an economy that is just there to sink but if the economy was such a dedication please reconsider the fallowing:

For one theres the AH, the AH not only is a large community for players to sell their unwanted items its also a very heavy economy that by the looks of it will not fail.

The punch system may be great for rolling ASI swords and shock max armor but in the end theres still other alternitives. Instead of going to punch i could easily just craft an item that gives me a UV that I desire, if i dont I get a small growth of investment that divides my original cost, that again may not be exactly like punch but then again theres still an alternitive.

Also along with the Auction house system theres the supply deopt where anyone can easily grab a blitz and shower away on vanas large rumpskin. That alone is being accessed more and more and events like these are constantly swinging around.

They have monster pocket pets, Black kat events, halloween events, christmas events, anniversary events and the list goes on where the economy is stable. Adding an extra game mode will not kill that economy at all instead it will raise an entirely new economy which will not only branch out the LD community but also help players enjoy parts of the game they never thought they would be able to enjoy which is key to raising the economy in itself.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 17:37

#37

Whimsicality

Remove uv's .
Remove trinkets.
Remove auto target.
Remove the classes.
Remove weapons.
Remove armor.
Remove damage.
Remove the capture points.
Add snipes.
Add snipe food.
There. Now Lockdown is finally balanced.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 21:43

#38

Dekuinanutshell

All I basically would like to

All I basically would like to see is a competition where only the armor and your weapons alongside the unique shields provided for lockdown gives play for a balanced gametype. One that doesnt really matter about UVs but instead skill and well balanced armor.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 23:37

#39

Dragneel-Wiki

Your first sentence doesn't make any sense, at all. Ok, back to the hurr durring.

First of all, I'd like to tell you that Punch isn't a normal "crown sink" you think of. The amount of crowns rolled there since they were brought is probably above our imagination that it can outweigh most of the other crown sinks. And please, stop saying that beating an ASI VH player is impossible. I'll say it one more time before leaving this thread - It's getting annoying - :

"As long as you have good connection, UVs doesn't have that great effect and rather be a complimentary bragging thing. If you have above 100 ping, you'll be screwed be it either from UVs or not. People that "Beat You Badly" with VH UVs will "Beat You Badly" without it, assuming that they have good connection."

And:

"Skill can't be measured nor compared as long as conditions are different from player to another. Period."

In the end, I'd like to tell you that I am not attacking you, so stop being a jello. I am just pissed off from someone that suggests something when he is oblivious about the consequences of it, and keep defending it after being told about them.

Fri, 09/06/2013 - 23:39

#40

Glacies

Even if you remove UVs, Auto-Target, and everything else. People will still complain about things.

What about every single unbalanced weapon in the game? If you plan on removing UVs and Auto-Target, Weapons and Armor needs to be balanced too.

Either way, only true way to balance anything is to give everyone the same set of armor, a single weapon, no classes, no latency, no visual-lag, and the same type of setup. Something along the lines of Ancient Plate Set with a Proto Sword.

This is the only true way to balance everything.

Sat, 09/07/2013 - 02:05

#41

Krakob

@Theirillusion
Yes, but it still makes a difference and makes LD a lot more pay to win.

@Dragneel
Only problem is when people with better UVs have a good connection. You have no idea how infuriating your ASI VH DA is :P

@Glacies
There's a difference between optional asymmetrical gameplay and forcing asymmetrical gameplay, though. Right now, we're forced into asymmetrical gameplay. You can't just choose to get an ASI VH GF. I'm not saying base gear is free but it's a lot easier to get than a variation of it that will cost you a million or so.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 12:29

#42

Dekuinanutshell

@dragon-wiki

My major point is not to say asi VH FF's are impossible to kill because i've sinked multiple asi VH players before. My only concern is when you have an entire group against a group of players that aren't exactly lockdown worthy to get smashed by hit stun out the wazzo. Also you brought out that asi vh isnt that much of a difference then a regular base weapon? I laugh at that because if that wasn't the case we wouldn't need asi in the first place. Same goes for damage bonus. The asi is a major boost on weapons including flourish wielders which is why even a 2 star flourish with asi high is prized at the 600k cr range or higher. The reason? Because it dramatically raises your offence capability being a pay to win situation. This pay to win situation is not fair for players that don't have this advantage making it harder for them to take on. Both me and other players have said the same thing so that's proof that this isn't some small jibber jabber complaint about taking such a task at hand.

Also even if your latency is at 100 per say you can still play decently if you ignore the little lag spikes that pop up here and there, other then that the game is still playable. You also say "Skill can't be measured nor compared as long as conditions are different from player to another. Period." That is a flat out lie. Regardless of the conditions per say if I use guns and you use swords; in the end, if there's an added bonus to that weapon you're giving yourself an unfair advantage for the other player because for 1 your attack response is increased and you can evade faster then you could without it. Which is not a balanced fight for someone who doesn't have that additional boost. Now needless to say the attack styles are different but that in itself does not hinder the game equality until a UV is placed because it alters your original capability to respond to whats around you.

On another note! Regardless of the unbalanced weapons each weapon does have its ups and its downs, some more then others. This mixed with armor that has limits, increases and decreases your chances of survival in lockdown and there fore I don't mind the minor inbalance in armor and weapons, but what I am concerned about is the additional damage and asi given through trinkets and UV's this in itself gives an unnatural advantage because in the end you're Paying to win. Which is not a fair advantage for other players around you.
On the other hand because there is a great majority that love using UV's and trinkets there should stay the original lockdown that we have now to make it ballanced for both parties. One for skilled adept players that want to use the strength in their armor and addons, and others who would like the raw power of their weapons instead of using additional bonuses to keep their advantage on their side. This not only keeps the regular lockdown community happy but it also sprouts an additional community that will raise the lockdown community still supporting the economy in the end.

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