Hello knights!
Some of you may know me, and the ones who do,know i am a crappy bomber.Well,i play LD because it is a LOT of fun and bombing is even more fun :D
but now i regret getting my bombing loadout, because of...........POLARIS SPAMMERS
I am capping a point with my VT, then some swordsman comes,notices he can't reach me,so........he spams polaris.
then following happens: i get shocked,can't put any bombs down, striker comes towards me and beats me up with his FF;dead......
And it is like that EVERY time somebody uses polaris/supernova. so,back to the question: IS IT WORTH BOMBING!??
(my loadout is mercurial demo set+BAB+VT)
Is bombing worth it?
Polaris shouldn't be a real problem with Merc Demo set. You can skip right through the bullets with the dash, if you didn't know. BAB isn't really the best bomb out there for LD so you might want to replace it with Nitro. You might want to tell us what your most commonly used class is.
@leek
yeah,but i don't always have the money for a wep slot.....but i wll try if i can
@krakob
thx i didn't know you could dash through :D. i think i will stick with BAB though
btw,should i use haze bomb?
Try using valiance or something, its knockback is useful and it has decent range
It's only worth it if you want to win matches. If you don't care about such a trivial detail and would rather focus on the important aspect of Lockdown, which is damage, then bombs will only sometimes be able to support you in your goal, and even then it's best if someone else uses them so you can focus exclusively on the damage-dealing.
Yes, you should continue using a haze bomb. Eventually, however, I would recommend adding other hazes rather than just relying on VT all the time--especially in GvG you will run into quite a few strikers with shock immunity. Also, not to continue harping on the same point Krakob already brought up, but I would similarly suggest swapping that BAB for a nitro. If you're having that much trouble with polaris spam, the extra mobility you will have with nitro over the BAB will dramatically improve your ability to react and dodge.
@voza
ok,i will maybe get it
@zeddy
well,i don't care how much dmg i get,i care more about caps+winning ( that is why i got a bomber set). for me,dmg is irrelevant.
@narfle
yeah,i thought maybe getting other hazes like stagger storm of AoA.well,with nitro....well....i don't really want to do the blast bomb line again :(
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thx for the tips :)
If you can be the next Huntr, it's worth it. Otherwise, it's better to go traditional striker.
Bombing is totally legit. You have to time your charges and predict opponents just like any other class, and you'll nearly always want to flock to where most of your team is. I personally favor the nitronome more then any other bomb.
As a recon swordie on my end, spamming that thing really discourages strikers to try to beat you with the latency/camera angle advantage attacks. If you time it right you can vanish during the blast and give them less of a clue as to where you're headed. BAB is just a bit too slow in between charges, and the additional damage it gives doesnt make up for the protection of the nitro.
Bombers in general are an obsticle. A striker vs striker or recon is one thing, but a bomber shows up and throws a curve ball into the whole play style. People become more cautious when dashing south into the blind camera area, change gear to fit the bomb they have to walk over, or you'll sometimes have 2-3 of the enemy team spend a solid minute trying to kill you which is VITAL. Even if they do succeed. I personally think it takes people out of their comfort zone.
With few exceptions, you will generally die more than you kill as a bomber, but in practical terms there is little difference between killing an opponent and keeping him occupied trying to take over a CP you have control over.
Essentially, bombing is all about wasting your opponent's time.
Yep. Bombing is basically all about "stalling" the enemy team. I've yet to master that... i'm used to getting high damage as swordie striker so I always forget to "stall" the enemy team. But with practice, you'll have players posting on the forums like "Jungle-Sword is such an annoying bomber please ban him" or something like that xD Not necessarily "banning" you but the point is you can be a prodigy without scoring high damage. It's all about the "stalling".
If you can be the next Contri, it's worth it. Otherwise, it's better to go traditional gunslinger.
so,you guys are saying i should stall the team for a few mins,and then die? i guess....well....i have been doing that the whole time. but as i said my biggest problem was polaris/supernova because they push me back instead of me pushing THEM back. then i am off the capping field and they are on it D:. and if you stall more than deal dmg,why do i see bombers like huntr and co.with 10k dmg or more? well,doesn't matter. with nitro i am still not sure,because i would have to craft it all again and my BAB would be a waste.... :(
but i guess i can try. btw,should i get AoA or stagger storm? well,anyway,thx for the help!
btw how do i get such a picture???
Bombers like Huntr have a backup sword, with which they do most of the damage.
You can avoid getting pushed back by Polaris if you go guardian, as they are immune to knockback. Wearing some good shock armour will make you immune to the shock as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxdvBFCwBys
Example of a bomber carrying our team with area denial. Sometimes a good support character is all you need to carry your team.
going full bomber (only bombs) is actually quite a bad idea.
bombs require charging to get them off, and when there's some buttface shooting AA sentenza at you, you wont be able to (AA sentenza is me :D)
if I want to win, what i like to do is grab a full damage guardian set [bkc+chaos+FF+sentenza+VT/SS] (good stalling and damage output)
with one of each weapon, it's really easy to dominate your opponents.
Sadly, that set does not work in GvG, as many people have bomb resistant gear. you'll have to use at least 2/3 bombs for good CC.
*cough* hadn with that shock resistant BKC set.... *cough cough cough*
About polaris, one spammer, even two spammers is really easy to dodge. all you need to do is retreat to the side where they are not (stay within your bomb) and move in to drop once in a while.
If you REALLY have problems with dodging polaris, get full merc set + shock low UV. immune to polaris shock.
If i decide to make a video, I'll upload it for you to see.
The most common mistake bombers recieve is mist bombing. Not only is mist bombing sometimes risky, but bombing also contains blast bombs, shard bombs, vortex bombs, and more. I actually have a dream bomber idea. Mercurial Demo suit/helm + elite boom module + elite bomb focus module + guardian/recon skill + level 10 bombs. You'll have Attack dmg bonus VH, CTR Max, and movement speed med. You can use any bomb at level 10. Level 10 because you'll get maxed out ctr with level 10. I don't recommend Volcanic Demo in LD (I use it, though) unless you decide to have fire resist and/or want to go striker. Bombastic demo helm/suit is also on par with mercurial because you'll get dmg bonus max, but you won't have shock resist max and any movement speed inc.
@utrex
yeah good luck, you're gonna die in like one GF combo (the only thing that "average players" do).
thx for the help guys,i'll try to use it
@blue
hehe,i would like to be like that bomber :D btw,good vid
@jawny
well,which wep should i use as sidearm? callahan? you are kinda leaving me blank......
and: i have merc set,but no shock UV i'm don't wanna make merc again.....
@ultrex
i had the same idea :D . but should i use a shard bomb instead of VT??
@ Jungle-Sword: No. VT is perfectly fine. You just need to work "around the edges" if you know what I mean. Like, take advantage of Recon. Also, mix-and-match. Throw in a sword to your loadout. I play with BAB and a Warmaster Rocket Hammer and it's amazing.
I find that Guardian is much better for bombing in general than recon. The shield helps stall out strikers and catch stray bullets (you should be moving around and dodging most of them). Guardian also makes you immune to knockback. I don't think Polaris has ever shocked me when I'm in Merc Demo and Guardian(I think guardian gives med res to all statuses?). Merc Demo is the best bombing set(because of MSI med and Shock res), but it's mainly good for haze bombing (only dmg med). If you want to bomb offensively then you should get chaos (which gives ctr vh and dmg vh) preferably with shock uvs. I actually prefer the DBB over blast bombs in terms of dmg output (although you could use both). Most strikers will kamikaze whenever they see a bomber, and try to take you out ASAP. If you keep dropping DBB and moving away from them while shielding; you can rack up a lot of damage ( most strikers dont even notice DBB dmg because of no knockback). Then you can whip out your FF and finish them off. I find the FF to be the best side-arm because it leaves very little opening in your defense (and polaris/valiance/sentenza if you want a gun sidearm). Guardian has as much default health as a striker with 2 penta-hearts. This means that preferably you should be running 2 pentas as well (if your using chaos) or 1 penta and 1 elite bomb focus( if your using merc demo).
Haze bombing is the safest kind of bombing because you can put up a permanent field where as other bombs have a slight delay between blasts. However. offensive bombing is perfectly viable in RLD. Players in randoms are unaccustomed to anything outside of the norm : Gunners, Bombers, Guardians, Recons. They have no idea how to handle you and will often just rush you ( talking about swordie strikers).
If you want to be useful in randoms and GvG : merc demo, FF , 3 hazes ( VT and SS and VV preferably)
If you want to mess around and be surprisingly effective in randoms : chaos, DBB , Nitro , FF , Bomb of your choice ( DR can work well sometimes).
sry for wall of text >.< I had a lot to say about this subject
@offense armor
Guardian class gives low resistance to all of them, which is why I like guardian.
@op invest in some ctr on your VT, and grab a SS just in case there are shock immune people in your game.
A good sidarm is FF for the speed and knockback, however you might want a valiance/AP just in case somebody is kiting you. I know huntr never brought a gun, but that's because he can dodge everything .
Mist bombing isn't risky at all, l don't know how its a 'mistake'. Mist bombing is the most effective way to bomb if you plan on being a team player, whether it'd be random or guild vs guild. An ideal and cheap set would be Mercuiral Demo Set, for that movement speed increase, as well as immunity to polaris shock, with ctr low-med bombs (that will get you ctr very high-ultra in the long run, since youll get a ctr med boost from getting the bomb to level 10, and then another ctr low boost from guardian class), and then either a flourish or sealed sword as a backup. In any usual match l usually hold off 3-4 players all at once who tend to be polarising at me, l wouldn't be able to hold them off if l was using any other bomb besides a mist bomb. As a bomber your main goal is to occupy a point and hold it, so your team only has to worry about 2 points, or 4 points, depending on the map, mist bombs are the most effective way to do that.
Sorry double post, but damage is not an important factor as a bomber, caps aren't even important, only one cap, its about being a good support player, bombers are arguably the most important asset to a team. In a way, the less caps you have, the better you're doing, l usually end up with less then 500 damage at the end of matches, and only 1 cap. If you've got a high number of caps, while holding a point, it means you're dying too much and letting the enemy cap the point you're meant to be holding, and then you're go back and recapping it. If you've only got 1-2 caps, it means you're doing a good job of holding the point you're sitting on and not letting the enemy near it. If you've got high damage, it means you're using your sword too much, when you should be using your bombs more. I rarely swing my sword during matches, even when l'm being hammered by 3-4 people, l stick to just weaving around with bombs until my team can get to me and help. Bombers are support players, guns will be your worst enemy but l do fine dodging any gun, and l'm from Australia, the worst country when it comes to latency, so if l can do it, you should be able to too. As Blueflood said, it's all about keeping the enemy distracted, the more players they have trying to kill you to get you off the point, the less players your team has to deal with to get the rest of the points. The more time you are able to stay alive and keep those players distracted, the more time your team has to take all the caps and then come to your aid, l had one match where l literally held off the entire enemy team from the 50 point mark all the way to 500 (end game), sadly all the players on my team but 1 had left, and that guy didn't even bother capping, but you can see how useful it would have been if l had had a proper team, free caps all over the map without any opposition.
Fayeth brough up a a very good point. Bombers should pay little to no attention to the stats at the end of the game. You know what you did, and a greatfull teammate will give you their thanks.
That being said I'd really like to have this bring some awareness to people fighting bombers. If it's more then 1 or 2 are attempting to slay the single bomber, you should weigh how far or behind your team is ahead before joining in that fight. It's pretty regular to see swordsmen with no damage bonus on their guns trying to chip away at a strong guardian shield. Bombers love that stuff.
If you find that you're having trouble taking down the bomber, just ignore them, as l said, l usually have 3-4 people trying to kill me but can't, they just keep trying and trying though, when they should be running off and helping their team cap or defend points from being taken by my team.
so i think this is how i am going to do it:
Merc Demo Set+VT+SS+BAB+sentenza+elite boom focus module+guardian class
plz leave any suggestions if it is a bad idea
thx!
Stagger Storm's a great bomb if you want your enemies to be vulnerable to your teamates' rage. Vortex bombs are a bit of a risk, considering how they can get out there by dashing. Dark Retribution's quite good, especially when they're trapped inside. Having a gun with you can help a lot. If you like to give em a good old fashioned way of sparring (using swords), have something you are comfortable using. That is all I can say :U
The set that l suggested l think would be better, specifically Mercurial Demo Set (doesn't need any uv's), two out of this list: Voltaic Tempest, Staggerstorm, Venom Veiler, Shivermist Buster (highly recommended to have ctr med but ctr low works fine, ctr med bombs aren't expensive at all), either a Final Flourish or Barbarous Thorn Blade as your secondary quick arm, and either a Gran Faust or a Divine Avenger as your secondary heavy arm. You can also decide to carry three bombs and if you do, l recommend you carry a sealed sword as your backup. Your trinkets should be heart trinkets, its almost a necessity. Bombers who don't carry heart trinkets only survive because of two reasons, the first is because they have a good team to support them, the second is because they're up against players who don't know what they're doing. Sure you'll have the occasional guy who thinks he's good because he doesn't have any uv's or heart trinkets and survives fine, that's only because he's good an op team, put him with a team that is average, and he'll drop like a fly.
Wow Fayeth, you've proved a really good point... now, I just need to get my Mercurial Demo...
so then,what about this:
merc demo set,VT,SS and maybe as 3.my fearless rigadoon if i get another wep slot i would add BAB.
trinks: first 1 pent heart,later 2
(+guardian)
i am not a big fan of slow swords,thats why i am not gonna take one (maybe WRH,but that's it)
Perfect Jungle-Sword. Except maybe you could get something instead of Fearless Rigadoon. Something like a Polaris would help, or a Sentenza/Argent Peacemaker.
Stick to having a flourish and heavy sword, don't get a gun.
So, krakob you can walk through bombs with max+low? Interesting :o
Guardian gives ctr low to bombs, asi low to swords, and medium bonus to all statuses.
Wait so if you get med resistance with ever status by using guardian does it mean I can just get any price of gear with shock resist and be good ?
To be immune to mist bombs as guardian, you need to have a max + a low resistance of whichever status, whether it'd be from armor and uv's armor alone, or uv's alone, you need the above stated combination to be immune, as a guardian. If you have any questions about guardian bombing, just message me in game.
Correct!
Max = 4
Low = 1
Guardian = 2
7 = the required amount to walk through haze bombs.
4+1 = 5
5+2 = 7
7 >= 7
I get the preference for guardian + heart trinks. I also grant that my style of mist bombing isn't the norm...
I find that for random LD I don't need heart trinks. I need multiple loadouts that provide me with the means to cap point, and take out players when convenient (or on my point).
I actually hardly ever use heart trinks as a recon bomber. I use sword ASI... I may not use my sword as often, but when you're up against a striker you need all the help you can get. I also forgo the shock resist in favor of a bkc and skolver for sword dmg. While I don't care about the numbers, it's the best way to get rid of that person that just won't let you get on with bombing happily. I carry a gun for blocks and other bombers, and the ap/sentenza is the hardest to dodge for a bomber with the best combo of range and bullet speed.
I carry a GF, a sentenza, and two bombs... I mix them depending, but my main loadout is shiver/ vt. I put shiver aside for a time, but then chaos and other armors got popular, and I got to have the sheer pleasure of making popsicles/ occasionally neutralizing an opponent while I cap. there are those that are immune to shiver or vt, or both... but that's when I change to aoa or ss or vv or even nitro.
Why recon? b/c I can hide. Never underestimate the value of being able to slide by a wall of gate campers and draw them away to a far platform so your team can get out. Also, you know those Polaris thingies? -- stay close to them, don't run away and dodge... there's far less dmg and no knockback up close, and only the best at weapon switching can get that sword out in time to smack you as you run up and put a bomb in their face.
Regardless of class, the best advice I can give any bomber is learn to dodge. Keep moving erratically. The more annoying you are to hit, the longer most players will try to hit you, and that is the absolute joy of mist bombing... and the best way to support the team.
Note: it's really bad form to bomb a gate, it's on par with Polarising a gate and worse imho than gate camping. Then again, I have non-traditional opinions on gate camping anyway, as I don't participate, either when it's my team or the opposition. I'll take my krogmo for a loss without providing entertainment for those that do.
I agree with you that heart trinks aren't the most important things as a guardian...
I don't die that often as a guardian,maybe 1-2 times a match
Maybe I COULD get 1 but to be honest,i don't think i need 2 (maybe an elite boom focus module instead)
About the other points:i don't want a GF because.....
1.i would have to make one
2. i hate slow swords
about sentenza:
1. I have one, so i guess i can use it..
2. what about callahan or biohazard?
about Recon:
1. yes,recon can be a GREAT distraction and make enemies follow you
2. Recon gives GREAT CTR too
but...
1.Recon gets knockback, and guardian doesn't and that helps A LOT vs polaris
2.guardian has a shield and i can block polaris shots with it. often when 2 ppl use polaris, the shot field is SO BIG, that you can't dodge
3.Guardian gives stat. resistance
4. Guardian gives more health and shield heals you and party
but now i am in a dilemma again....
i would take: VT+SS+....sentenza and fearless rigadoon?
BUT WHAT ABOUT M....M....MY BAB!!!!!!! ( it is my favourite bomb in SK) XD
my idea: i am only going to take sentenza because.....
1.i don't have that much experience wit toothpicks
2. if somebody DOES come close, they have ASI and i would have no chance anyway
3. sentenza would be a great sidearm vs other bombers
well,that is what i have to say....
Like I said I'm not the typical setup.
-I am more than willing to forgo the extra health and shield for the ability to move near invisibly through the map and have a good chance to get back to heal when someone gets through the mist.
-I don't need ctr on bombs, and I can use asi instead for any sword (I have voltedge and FF as well), and my setup allows me the advantage of surprise... everyone sees a Guardian comin', and they will wail on you before you even get a chance to lay down that first bomb.
Use guardian, it's a good option, but if you're using BaB realize that while charging you move SLOW, even with the msi of Merc Demo. Get in a lot of practice with whatever your sword of choice, you'll need it more than you think.
As for Polaris, even with the knockback resist, that shield's gonna come down and the you're exposed. I personally worry more about alchemers and ap/sentenza. Biohazard and Callahan are another two that you need to practice dodging, that shield bubble will burst.
It all depends on what type of bomber you want to be, Iaena is more of a casual having fun style of bombing, where as l am giving advice on how to be more of a take on half, maybe even more of the entire team at once and survive type of bomber, there aren't many out there who can do that. l've survived up to 4 polaris spammers who were crossfiring me right and left, can't do that with a recon, its much greater support being guardian then it is being recon. As for deaths, one death is already pushing it, especially in randoms when its not organized, try going up against guilds that know what they're doing and you'll quickly see how much quicker and more you die. I usually don't die even once entire matches in randoms. If you want to be a good support bomber, guardian with heart trinkets all the way. Also although you may dislike heavy swords, for a bomber, the best backup they can have is a heavy sword, if you carry only a flourish or any other weak but fast sword, you'll do too little damage to fend off strikers or other pursers, guns are useless in my opinion, if theres another bomber either have an immune set ready or just suck it up and take on the enemys bomber, doesn't matter if you get frozen or whatever, you can still lay down your own bombs while frozen to help your team as well as body block the point to prevent enemies from capping.
well, i don't think i will change it, so what i have here:
Merc Demo Set+VT+SS+sentenza (later BAB)
trinks: penta heart (later boom focus)
yeah,well that is about it
@fayeth
you are correct,but i don't play often in GVG (i have played 1-2 times), but you r in jempire,so for you, a skillful bomber is a better choice
i am aiming for support and fun, and if i get people in my mist, my teammates can beat them up, (i could if i had too i guess) because aren't teammates there for that? I am a bad swordsman, so i would not stand a chance vs wolverclones, not even with a GF
No offense but you won't stand a chance against strikers anyway with that loadout. If you miss getting a bomb down, even once, you're completely open to attack. If your current bomb ceases its mist before you get another bomb down you honestly might as well just stand there and let them kill you, your gun will be useless. You'll see in time, that's a pretty terrible loadout but as long as you like it, best of luck, happy bombing.
@Fayeth: ...
@Jungle: No matter what set you start with - and I like that you're experimenting for yourself - you'll end up finding your own style and way of bombing.
As a guardian, find a sword you are comfortable with. You will need it. Practice swing-shield-swing, for those times that you get caught in a corridor or miss a bomb placement. Also, don't be afraid to die, and die a lot until you learn ways to stay up and out longer; it really isn't the end of the game or the world, but maybe that's the casual-fun side of me talking *grin*.
Strikers will get at you, Recons will get at you. There will be those that have resistances and weapons that will slice right through whatever protection or health you have... And the shield isn't going to last when under a constant attack for long. The swing-shield/shield cancel-swing practice is something all classes practice. Keeping yourself from comboing and leaving your guard down is always desirable when close fighting.
Unless you have CTR Med-High UV bombs now, you will want the Elite Bomb Focus Module to begin. As a guardian it will give you CTR Ultra with Level 10 bombs. Ideally you will want to have CTR Low UVs on all your bombs with Merc Demo + Elite Bomb Focus - you will notice the difference with CTR Max in play... And you will have a much harder time if you only have CTR High (Level 10 Bombs + Guardian Bonus) without the Elite Bomb Focus!
On another note: Guardians heal themselves and other players, don't forget to do both!
Hope to see you in LD!
Rete can l have a white rose set for my birthday this year:D I wub you <3 (It's in 26 days *hinthint*)
Sure, it's worth it. You can use any set you want. If Polaris is your biggest problem, then you'd just have to think of ways to counter it. Taking a gun or sword as a sidearm usually helps because it means you can fight back instead of waiting for help.