While I was doing Jelly King with others on my other character, we came to the stage where we place 3 keys to go through the gate. When one person set the key down, I went to pick it up to open the gate. As I opened the gate, the leader kicks me for no reason.
I go on my other character and join my friend to help him do JK with the same leader. He says the keys were for "memory" and I thought, why didn't he say something before kicking me from the party...
Kicking People From Party
OOO should revise the whole concept of removing other players from a party.
Looks like someone didn't read...
Anyway what the hell did he mean by "for memory"?
Give it up. No one cares what Royal Jelly's real name is. Jelly King and Royal Jelly mean the same thing. It's not like it's against the TOS to say "Jelly King" anyway.
I got kicked for having a Shocking Bombhead and Circuitbreaker Armor as costumes. Guy asked, "Woh, what star level is that?"
I replied, "None, it's a costume. It has no defensive capabilities."
Then boom, I got kicked.
@Xtweeter
Both "Jelly"-s in Jelly King and Royal Jelly might be,, but Royal can refer to any other -- Queen, or King, Prince, Princesses, Dukes, and etc...
Except that the game explicitly calls that specific boss "Royal Jelly" on countless occasions.
Stop trying to shoehorn a bad name on it for no reason.
Bata, please...
People call their monitors, the flashy screens, the entire computer. When it comes to desktop computers, this is flat out wrong. Can you tell those people to knock it off for me? Pleease? It reaaaally bugs me.
Anywho, if there is Royal Jelly, why is Ice Queen named Ice Queen? I agree that the real name is Royal Jelly, btw, but I wonder why OOO followed that convention. And if people read "Ice Queen," they're bound to think "Jelly King."
New suggestion! Change Ice Queen's name to Royal Ice Jelly! Consistent is better! (Unless you are trying to play mind games.)
EDIT: Also, the misnomer could come from laziness. Look at your keyboard for a second, and you'll notice that 'jk' are both in the exact same order and adjacent. It's probably easier to press this without a thought than pressing 'r' then 'j' because those are further apart. Just a little hypothesis...
The worst I ever had is when one brat kicked me because I refused to give him heat.
We were on Floor 27 in FSC too. So not only did I lose all of MY heat, but it also screwed up my chances of fighting Vana after 40mins of fighting through his level.
I have only ever ignored 1 player, but if anyone deserved it, it was Dragon-of-Hell
while it seems you were kicked for no good reason, Cptwobbles...i do know that different knights kick ppl over anything that disagrees with them. for me, i will kick you from a party with no regrets if:
a. you dont help farm the whole map(rather just run to next button eh? let me help you on your quest for speed then..)
b. you hold the water and run around forever(other ppl might need that water to pass an obstacle somewhere)
c. you move and re-arrange totems / statues cluelessly..causing others to take damage from unknown released wheels
d. you stop and go afk every 2 minutes because you are chatting to somebody outside the party and run
e. you are under-equipped and can't carry your weight in the chosen map(although not as much for this 1 anymore, since the advent of sparks of life..they are your sparks that you will be using up after all)
i'm not going to pretend i like fail knights. i know i know....Hate Me....but i didn't learn to dislike little nuances that players have from playing this game only, this comes from years of gaming experience and learning to spot hazards to teamplay right away...many years before this game was ever even a notion in a programmer / developer's pinky finger.
you want easy tokens, crowns, and a smooth run? play like you have a monitor.
I haven't experienced kicking. There has been a surprisingly strong correlation between the perceived desire of a player to kick me and their respective lack of skill/preparation.
Players that seem to have an issue with me usually are ko'd early, and players that seem to lack malice have good synergy with me in most cases. This seems to have become the case since the recent updates that penalize players for not pulling their weight.
In batabii's defense, 'Royal' could mean any noble title, not necessarily 'king'.
Could be a 'jelly prince' and son of Ice Queen.
Nick confirmed that jellies don't have genders, and that the Ice Queen was just feeling like a queen at the moment. Also, according to backstory logs, there are multiple Royal Jellies. We just killed one in particular, there may be even dozens scattered around the planet.
It has nothing to do with gender. They're just puns. Neither IQ nor RJ have genders, and "jk" means just kidding. Go ahead, type /jk in the chat.
You don't see this problem with all the other bosses.
@Iron-Dragon-Guild
What do you mean "Released wheels"? It's much more efficient to let the wheels do half the work. They're the only thing on the entire depth that actually damages slag walkers for you! And they travel in predictable, straight lines at regular intervals. It's much easier to dodge a wheel than dodge a slag, they don't even follow you. And with the totems OUT of the way, you don't have to worry about the slags constantly reviving.
Actually, you do have this same problem with other bosses--people constantly refer to Lord Vanaduke as "Vana," and Snarbolax as "Snarby." What I find facsinating, however, is that Jelly King seems to be the only one people take umbrage over, despite that there was a time when the name Jelly King did appear in some of the boss' flavor text (it has since been replaced with 'Royal Jelly,' true, but it was still here, while there has never been any in-game reference whatsoever to "Vana" or "Snarby").
Petition for changing Larry's avatar into a Grumpy Cat picture.
@Skyguarder
I solo 99% of the time. The times when I do go in parties I like to be the host. I don't really care for guilds.
@Zeddy
No :P
@narfle
Vana is SHORT for vanaduke
Snarby is also a diminutive of Snarbolax, as well as being official as per the game's coding.
There is no "king" anywhere in "Royal Jelly".
Also I have never found any evidence that the game proper ever called it that.
@zeddy
Only noobs (and trolls) call him snorlax.
For memory? How does that work? Was he going to some how forget that the minimap with key locations doesn't exist? Or maybe he was going to forget there is another key to find when there is still a closed gate? lol... Such a bad player.
I can't believe people are getting their panties in a bunch over petty semantics that make no difference.
People have been calling it the jelly king forever, at the very least since the game went public (and probably as far back as into Beta, I only caught the tail in of Beta though so who knows) It's a part of the spiral knights lexicon, get over it. Or you know keep whining about it, I'm pretty sure it isn't encouraging people to purposely refer to it as "Jelly King" just to be a nuisance, and get even more of a rise out of you.
I can't think of a time I've been kicked, but I've wanted to kick people before...I remember helping a recently added friend and his guildies with JK and he kept being like "lets wait a little bit" at every single elevator, even though I kept telling him I had to leave to get breakfast soon (I was living in a dorm at the time).
I couldn't kick him though, so I eventually just got fed up and left them on their own. I felt bad about it cause I really do like helping and it was almost all of theirs first run, but darnit I'm a twig and needed breakfast, and I wasn't going to miss it and have to wait another couple of hours before food...
I generally have a pretty high threshold for playing with people on the rare occasion that I do, if they're bad I just ignore it, cause it doesn't really effect my survivability. (It effects my survivability even less now that I can't health revive people, and I don't even use sparks to revive my boyfriend, I'm not reving some random person). So I suppose if I group in the current system and get a bad player they're going to remove themselves, cause I'm not reving them for anything.
Wow you certainly took a lot of time to point out such a petty matter. You really don't have anything better to do?
I guarantee if someone asked for help to kill RJ no one would have a clue but would know instantly whats going on with the term JK.
I thought I already proved to you that he is a king and a jelly.
no batabii, releasing the wheels when people aren't expecting it, just creates a player-made hazard for the others. the slags are not difficult to kill, and if you have a hard time with slags...well, nuff said. putting all the totems in front of wheels to 1 side and a statue in front of last wheel on other side is easiest and quickest way to clear that D24 room, imo. it makes the whole area safe to travel through...and anybody can herd up the slags and kill them in the non-respawn side just outside the revival rings.
releasing the wheels once they have been blocked, and while the other unsuspecting players are in the middle of fighting, is usually done when somebody wants to troll the party.
@Writhes Agreed!!!
Random kicking.....idk, some people just do it. I say mmake a lot of friends (create parties and let people join), so you have a solid base.
I was once kicked from RJP for correcting a guy who thought that butterfly healers (silkwings) were beasts not fiends.
Actual conversation: "use ur voltech against the butterflies; cuz my shadowblade deals low damage against them cuz they're beasts" "butterflies? dont u mean silkwings and if they were beasts my voltech would deal less damage btw they're fiends" "nope butterflies are beasts :D" "they're called silkwings and they're fiends" next second he kicks me for correcting him and im stuck alone.
I have been in so many situations where im kicked for no reason that i cant even count them.
@cobaltstarfire
Why? It's said the real name in plain sight ever since missions began, if not even sooner. Why do people insist on being wrong, even when corrected? Why are they arguing and fighting instead of saying "sorry, I'll try to remember that"? If someone points out you spilled ketchup on your shirt, do you wipe it off, or say "that's supposed to be there" and dump the whole bottle on top of it?
@writhes
how is a single link "taking a lot of time"?
@krabob
it is neither a king, nor a "he", and regardless, nowhere in the entire game do the words "jelly king" appear.
@iron-dragon-guild
What do you mean "releasing"? There's no reason to block them to begin with. And I don't see what people aren't expecting. Like I said, they come in straight lines at regular intervals. It's not a player-made hazard, it's a level-made hazard. This isn't like spiked floors that are covered in crystals. The wheels are there by default. And I don't see how wheels are a bigger obstacle than slags when 50% of the screen isn't even touched by them, and 90% in the only area with actual totems.
The easiest and quickest way to clear the rooms is to just drop a vortex in front of a wheel. Presto. You kill half the slags, the wheels kill the other half. I stopped using totems to block enemies the second I got blitz needle and memorized the trojan spawns because it was far more efficient than dicking with statues all day and hiding like some coward noob.
I don't "release the wheels" because I don't block them in the first place. I move the totems out of the way, past the enemy barrier so it's easy to kill everything with the help of the wheels. And if someone in my party is going to sabotage us and keep getting them in the way, then I'll be the one kicking people from the party.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!
I've seen people do that before, and I just assume that they do it off of tradition or just because they're to lazy to put it in. But now that you say that it is off of memory, I have to ask a question: What armor was he wearing. If he can't remember what things he's done, then he probably can't remember what is piercing, elemental, and shadow.
@OP:
- If he was serious about his reasoning, then he was just a lame habit player. Whether or not you open the doors with the keys have no effect on gameplay. If he really needed the keys to remember which ones out of only 4 rooms he'd finished (and also, unlike the Vanaduke run, the entire party has to go to each room individually), then something's wrong with his memory lol.
- It could have just been an excuse to kick you because he doesn't like you (thumbsup)
@random
- Without any other context, people automatically assume crown--> king.
It's a Jelly. It has a crown.
--> Jelly King.
Has nothing to do with what the devs actually call it or what its proper name is. Before the mission interface was ever a thing, how did people ever know what things were actually called? I had always seen people looking for JK runs, "slags" refer to the slag guards and not the zombies (slag walkers, by the way).
It's kind of like how people make up words by treating nouns into verbs, and then using them to describe what they do. Like people who have a gun equipped guns their enemies, and are gunners (which ires people who know the proper name is gunslinger). Completely doesn't matter lol.
- Also, blew my mind like a blast bomb when I actually made the item: What people have been calling "nitrome" is actually "Nitronome"
People are funny, and I found that in an environment like this game, an OCD has plenty of opportunity to be nurtured to the fullest.
"I must destroy all blocks."
"I must do this area in this way."
"I must put the keys here first."
...
Me, I just won't leave a bush intact in a Wolver Den, and get annoyed if people run ahead rather than helping. There's Crowns in them, my Crowns!
I get annoyed if people run ahead anywhere, though. (If I want to run around alone, I don't need a party.)
There's very few places where splitting up is acceptable, all of them in Boss Home levels. Like that place with the 2 keys in Snarbolax Lair. Friend of me has a thing about doing the right side so all blocks disappear without any monster boxes being vanished too.
Not OCD-wise that he has to do that or flips, but he enjoys doing it that way, so I leave him to it and do the other side. (I'd just mess up his side.)
That, after he told me (as well as another friend with the same preference to doing that side), is fine with me.
First time some friend ran off without a word to do that side alone, even after I said to stick together, I got very annoyed. Communication is everything!
Same with that friend way back when I was new, who even said they have an OCD about blocks. Other things I noticed about that player left me thinking it wasn't just joking. So, I'm fine with them shooting every block. I'm in no hurry, and I hate rushing anyway.
Of course, I myself might hold up the party saying; I. Must. Destroy. The. Exploding. Blocks. Nao. Which is jesting. It all depends on who I'm playing with. Much more likely if I'm with a friend who doesn't mind me having fun sending enemy #1 to the afterworld. I'll in turn help him kill the evil Shankles.
JK keys, a friend got me used to the custom of parking them first. Plus, you can make some nice screenshots if you do.
Even my key is bigger!
We need a tall there.
Spot the one that isn't the same size as the others. ;P
Not just keys are fun.
Sprite family!
Um, ok, I think that's enough. :)
I'd kick or leave someone who, after being repeatedly told to NOT HIT THE SWITCHES in Twins Lair, keeps hitting the switches, and not by accident.
I'd kick or leave someone who, after me saying to please not, runs off anyway.
I'd kick or leave someone who just plain doesn't listen.
Stuff like that just spoils my fun, and I play this game for fun.
On the bottom line, it's important to communicate your quirks first, then act if you're ignored. So, no excuse for your memory man.
@Seiran
Nitrome is actually a game website, so I can understand the confusion. Though people who mix them up seem to be few and far between.
Slag Walkers and Slag Guards could both reasonably be referred to as "Slags" (though I've tried to get out of the habit of calling every zombie type a "slag")
@mickmane
I used to break every single bush too, but now that elevators are free, it's not worth the time to cut 50 bushes (or even one of those flat grasses, mostly) for a single crown. I don't even break the torches in arenas anymore since it's faster to just keep going down elevators and killing monsters.
"Communication is everything!"
This is why I tell people to use voice chat. Typing is slow and leaves you helpless.
flow, a slag guard is practically an almirian guard. the ones vana summon in phase 5. also found in LoA. not to be mistaken with almirian shadow guards, which are equal in everything but deal curse.
I knew someone would ruin it by answering instead of him.
My point was that he doesn't like people using outdated or other names (like Crystal Energy) yet he does it himself.
Ask Seiran, he said ""slags" refer to the slag guards"
Also Almirian Royal Guards DID used to be called slag guards before the other Deadnaught types were added and the enemy health display was added (just check the wiki history).
Regardless, at least I learn from my mistakes. I don't just stubbornly argue and refuse to acknowledge what the game presents as fact.
Therefore, my original statement (slag walkers = slags) is still accurate.
I have also stopped calling the family of feline ghosts "spookats" (which only covers the neutral, status-less breed) and instead as just "kats".
I hate getting kicked for no reason and the fact you lose all heat as well. That really isn't fair. The first time I got kicked was from rushing ahead and killing all the enemies without taking damage, leader then kicked me for no reason. Second time was on HOI and the leader kicked me off the team after I revived everyone (It was in the Maolus room). The last time I got kicked was in OCH. I got kicked by taking damage and the leader said "You are stupid by taking damage" and I said "I have 2 Penta-heart pendants, you are wearing Proto armor" The leader of the T3 OCH said "So, taking damage is unacceptable".
The first 2 where before the spark's update.
I find it stupid that you lose heat both from getting kicked AND from going solo. Now that loot is instanced, is there really any purpose for it?
From the depths of the godly pool of past updates rises the first Dark Harvest Patch http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Release_Notes_2011-10-19
you might wonder why it is here, well because of the one sentence that will end the Royal Jelly discussion once and for all:
The Royal Jelly Palace has frozen over and it's KING usurped by the true heir to the slimy throne, the frigid Ice Queen!
Where is your god now?
1. that's patch notes. Not in the game itself.
2. It's a metaphor. Just like when the mission says "like any unruly king". That doesnt mean its name is Jelly King.
/sees thread nice and pretty in forums, facepalms upon seeing Larry...
I have to agree that more oft than not kicks on my end happen due in part to how experienced the players are. I skip a step for them the instant I see that they ask "blitz?" on a vanaduck run for example. I come to pugs to have some friendship, not optimization.
Batabii, juts shut up. Does your computer blow up when someone says Jelly King instead of Royal jelly? Does your knight suddenly change into proto armor when someone says Jelly King instead of Royal jelly? Does ANYTHING bad happen to you when someone says Jelly King instead of Royal jelly? NO. Some people call it Jelly King, and others call it Royal Jelly. Let them call it the way they want.
"Memory is the key" is a reference from RvB...
What is RvB you might ask?
Only the longest lasting online series, and the one that impacted gaming the most. Because of Red vs Blue, Halo and Call of Duty has theater mode nowaday, and it is a standard.
Batabii, it was called the Jelly King for so long... at this point it's just nitpicking, like you are doing on my vid... calling me stupid for playing in lower resolution because I want to play like so...
What's the issue? If he/she's used to it, then just let them be. Not like it hurts you in any way :p
It's called "I hate stupidity".
Batabii is the master of egoist from my POV
Amazing that "Larry" can derail the thread he hasn't even posted single reply to. In fact, I have yet to see a single post by him on the entirety of the Spiral Knights forums.
I’m going to extrapolate a little coming up…
1. So whatever is stated in patch notes is not legitimate unless it is also stated within in-game text?
2. Technically, “like an(y) unruly king” is a simile not a metaphor.
3. Clearly the whole Royal Jelly/Jelly King thing is a major pet peeve of yours, but what is wrong with a nickname? What if people started calling it the Jelly Prince or started calling Tortodrones T-Rocks? Would you be as adamantly against these nicknames as you are against Jelly King?
Also, to go off of something you said earlier, what if someone’s birth certificate stated their name was Thad, yet they went by Thaddeus instead? Would you take issue with this since they are calling themselves something that is not stated on their birth certificate?
Honestly, I'm not sure what happens currently when players are kicked because I haven't been kicked before however if players are currently returned to Haven when kicked then I think the game should be changed so that it treats players as if they had used the "Go Solo" option.
1.The patch notes also say stuff like "gremlin menders have taken up the hippocratic oath" or whatever. There's a lot of jokes and non-canon in the patch notes.
2. Either way, it's not meant to be literal.
3. It's beyond me why anyone would say that, and yes I would (Snarby is a nickname, "jelly king" is just totally random and neither endearing or diminutive)
You can't compare a video game boss name to some real person's nickname
And at the end of the day after all your QQing and post side tracking about Jelly King everyone will still continue to call it Jelly King and your effort has been completely wasted. Congratulations!
And this is the reason why I either solo or do runs with my guildmates / friends.