Spiral Knights - Ezho New lockdown things comment my idea!

Ezho New lockdown things comment my idea!

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Sun, 10/27/2013 - 01:20

Ezho

New Lockdown (PvP as Random players vs players)

-New leaderboard ( win-loss ratio ) ( players with most win get at top )
-Prize for top X players for leaderboard rank
-No more AT (Why only in this game the computer play for us to target ennemis?)
-No more Ce revive (Dat things give seriously an big avantage to richy player) ( and its gay when you kill someone he respawn secound later in your screen)
-At Lobby the admin choose 2 captain and those captain choose 1 by 1 his team on the lobby ( most of time match are not even cuz admin dont balance team correcly )
-Also when a guys leave cuz its happen alot of time the lobby is open to let sm1 else join ( playing 3v4 or 5v6 its not even )
-One more thing ( not sure about this points but lets try ) Admin choose your class ( guard-recon-strike ) when you die admin re-choose your class again.

Comment my idea.
Ezho.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 02:34

Krakob

I can mostly agree with this.
-I don't think a leaderboard would work very well like that. If you aren't able to carry a team, your leaderboard placement would be determined by luck.
-Prizes would be okay as long as they don't actually make a difference. The Crown given to Super Brawl players could work, for example.
-At this point, I don't mind if AT would be removed just because it would stop a lot of hate. I don't have anything against it, though. If you can't beat someone who relies on AT with combos and such, you really need to practice.
-That wouldn't be too good. If one captain knows who the good players are and one does not, the former is just simply going to win.
-Yes. Something needs to be done about leavers.
-No.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 08:03

Good-Spirit

Just about everything on that suggestion list i think i've made a thread about over the past 2 years...

Maybe this less detailed summary thread will do the trick.

KISS

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid

and +1

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 08:12

Zeddy

As long as trinkets and UVs are dispensed with as well, I have no objections.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 08:21

Krakob

@Zeddy

Agreed. If revs are removed because it gives rich players an advantage, the same should apply to other pay to win aspects. I have absolutely no idea why Ezho didn't mention them...

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 08:49

Mzculet

No. I find it funny how these

No. I find it funny how these ideas benefit you and 21.

1. No.
2. No. Isnt slaughtering your enemies in LD fun enough? Besides that crown idea sounds stupid. Its only used for bragging by cocky players.
3. You can always turn it off. AT is for new LD players that dont know how to aim yet.
4. using the word gay can be offensive. And ce rev is fine. It provides ce sink and helps the other knights not get locked in there base.
5. No. That doesnt benefit anyone except the "cocky" players.
6. Why do you think they leave?
7. No. Players should be allowed to choose there own shield. Since some players are only strong in. Guardian in which other players are not.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 10:03

Feyi-Feyi

You're forgetting rule one of LD again: don't touch UVs.

because really: what else do I have in this game to work towards?

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 11:50

Krakob

@Feyi

A greater skill level independent of gear that can only be earned through countless of hours in FSC.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 13:33

Feyi-Feyi

Nah, that won't cut it. I want both.

I'm probably not alone in quitting if they remove UVs from LD.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 13:34

Aus-Lagger

i dont care for LD but one

i dont care for LD but one thing that really confuses me is why there is auto target in a pvp environment such as this. its comparable to aimbot in counterstrike. an auto target in any pvp environment for any game is very rare.

and here's a crucial point I think OP is missing, UVs. knowing that your opponent wearing the exact same gear as you except with one crucial difference, a UV that they can use to pummel you to the ground with it is quite a hard concept to get your head around and i bet it feels mighty unfair too. But its too late for that as LD and UVs are nearly synonymous with success now, to change it would turn the game upside down as people are already competing for mighty ASI and CTR UVs. Fairness is key to a mighty fun gaming experience.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 15:55

#10

Zeddy

"its comparable to aimbot in counterstrike"

Not even remotely.

In Counter-Strike, guns can shoot longer than 10 feet in front of you. Much longer.
In Counter-Strike, guns will hit instantly at whatever they were aimed at because bullets are hitscan. It's impossible to dodge a bullet that's aimed directly for you.
In Counter-Strike, guns have anywhere between 7-100 shots before reloading, making timing much less of an issue. One could simply hold down their fire button and be almost 100% certain to hit if they had an aimbot.
In Counter-Strike, noone has jetpacks, giant shields and invisibility.
Fights in Counter-Strike are not typically happening at melee range. Since, as the previous point noted, there are no jetpacks or invisibility, the speed at which an opponent can move relative to your aim is much, much lower in Counter-Strike than in Spiral Knights.
In Counter-Strike, there are headshots which allow you to kill your opponent with a single bullet.
Counter-Strike has no official control scheme where one plays only with a keyboard.

In conclusion, aimbots break Counter-Strike much, much harder than it does Spiral Knights, because at the end of the day everyone have the means to dodge perfectly aimed attacks and even survive them should they hit.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 16:19

#11

Theirillusion

Scumbag quoting time.

"Ezho New lockdown things comment my idea!"

"New lockdown things"

"New"

New?

Example 1

Isn't this a suggestion? Isn't the suggestion section for suggestions?

And finally, +1

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 16:52

#12

Ezho

At Mzculet "No. I find it

At Mzculet "No. I find it funny how these ideas benefit you and 21."

Are you blind are what? what those thing can be benefit for 21 ? when i was talking about random lockdown ? And All dat i said i top its not benefit for anyone ce rev and AT its benefit and you want it to keep it.
+( I dont care about AT cause everyone use it.) dat why i and others want to remove it cuz its the CPU who control the attack.
So in what case is benefit for meh? please let me know : )

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 16:54

#13

Meep-The-Bank

Hmm....

Just imagine if OOO adds a kill streak counter to Lockdown >:3....

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 17:51

#14

Dragonuity

OVER 9000

YES YES YES!!! I LOVE YOU EZHO... i'm getting overly excited again. Yeah this would be nice. I want to stop doing lockdown and surviving on 1k crowns. NO AT!!!! It hurts like heaven :P

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 17:53

#15

Dragonuity

Team captains.... that'll be

Team captains.... that'll be nice cause teams are never balanced. How about next match captains are chosen 1. based on DMG 2. caps+defends Whereas one defend/ cap counts as 1, and every 1.5k dmg counts as one. Tally 'em up.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 18:21

#16

Jawny

With the acheron buff, i now strongly agree with the removal of AT. in my AA demonstration video, it showed how brandish benefits a little too much from AT.

with AT removed, it would take a phenomenal amount of aiming to use regular hits, and the charge attack would be the main use, thus making status brandishes viable.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 19:36

#17

Mzculet

AT is foe newer playera who

AT is foe newer playera who cant aim.

You want ce rev off because you dont want any other guild to beat your ego.

Your leader board idea is only for 21 to be 1st place in leader board.

Being able yo choose eho is in your random pvp team will NEVER work. And you know why. People are always going to try to put the best player in the best team.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 20:01

#18

Rezzler

Hey ezzy. Might wanna edit

Hey ezzy. Might wanna edit out that G word you mentioned referring to seculaity.....just saying. Maybe. Or some creep will spank you repeatedly with their banstick.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 22:28

#19

Good-Spirit

@Msculet - Sometimes it's really hard to ignore the people that have no idea what they're talking about. Ce revving and AT are the two worst ideas ever for a competative game.

Ce Rev/Spark Rev = pure rich player advantage, not equal. Eliminates the penalty for bad dodging, not caring, inexperience, or being out witted. Unless we're trying to promote the rich having an advantage in a game that's supposed to be equally fun and competative.

AT = pure ping advantage. The worse your ping, the less this works for you... which you would think it'd work the other way around, but doesn't. If you're at least half decent at dodging your predictable opponent, then you've been a victim of seeing a brandish kill you from 2-4 tiles away or doing triple swings and following you around at impossible angles. AT Antigua lines will cut your striker dash down to a critical level and set you up for a sword hit on the opponents end.

Add these two together, and you really don't have to be very good at all to lead your team to victory since you'll have no penalty to dieing and every one of your swings automatically hit.

But it's all good, people use what they must. I personally like fighting the uphill battle and getting in people's heads :). Makes the victory that much sweeter.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 02:56

#20

Aus-Lagger

@zeddy

i meant conceptually.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 07:57

#21

Ezho

@mzculet "You want ce rev off

@mzculet
"You want ce rev off because you dont want any other guild to beat your ego."
Are you really dat blind? you should change your glasses, for an secound time watch again the tittle of my forum threat im talking about RLD not GvG.
FYI I dont care about GvG i only play like 3-4 match per weeks because of this --------> http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/597018368788878146/DF64D3D53D53B1766...
Im still waiting for an answer why jempire dont play on jempire waiting list ( another alts guild for jemp ) when they play minions of jempire but still i got no answer from them.
Also fyi i got over 100 000ce so i can also rev many time dat i want.
I just found not even thing like people rev for around 250-500ce per match for an gvg or rld match when other people cant not do it cuz they dont have dat much ce.

You talk about the captain who will choose the player ( will boost their team ). yeah maybe some will do but others like me will not do it cuz AT THIS MOMMENT 90% of RLD match are NOT balanced. Maybe if the player can choose the team will make it more balancing cuz they know how other people play.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 07:58

#22

Feyi-Feyi

@Zeddy:

I agree with Aus here. Conceptually it's an advantage, one that not everyone has.
'Then turn it on?' why should a competitive game have something that does the work for you?
Blue has a valid point because it points out AT abuse, not just use.

if there needs to be something to help high ping players, AT should relate the number of degrees it corrects to the amount of ping you have imo.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 08:13

#23

Momofuku

@Blueflood: Being hit by antiguas drains striker dash? Or just being hit while striker dashing depletes extra dash in general? (Why am I learning new things about lockdown that don't seem to be listed anywhere else? D: )

I like a daily prize system that rotates much the same way supply depot does currently with sale items. It would have to be something cheap but useful--useful enough that people would get use out of the prizes, but cheap enough that it's not worth farming lockdown matches just to earn enough points to get to the top of the leaderboard every day. Leaderboards would reset daily, and players cannot win two consecutive days in a row on leaderboard (meaning their ranks won't show up at all the next day). Awards for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place too.

Prizes would be something like bound Weapon/Trinket slots, orbs of alchemy, variant tickets, sparks of life, or even old prize boxes. All prizes would be bound; OOO has a tendency to make farmable things bound out of fear of exploiting the economy.

Since Spark revives are more than likely to stay (and thus, saying to remove it will probably be unfruitful), at least putting limitations on # of revives allowed per game would be nice. 3 revives per person per game would at least require you to give thought before reviving, so at least you would focus on reviving strategically instead of out of frustration of being ping advantage Acheron combo'd.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 08:16

#24

Khamsin

@Momo

Or add escalating spark costs.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 08:23

#25

Momofuku

The problem with escalating costs is that it is a restriction that hinders the poor and always favors the rich. A firm limitation is really the best approach, since it's not like spending 64 CE on a revive deters a rich lockdown player from reviving.

It does make them cry a little on the inside, I hope...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 08:25

#26

Ezho

@momo Or like others told me

@momo

Or like others told me only 1 umergency Revive dat you can use where you want in the game and an timer about X secound for all people who die. ( same secound for everyone )

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 09:25

#27

Joseanand

'AT = pure ping advantage'

'AT = pure ping advantage' so damn true!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 09:27

#28

Joseanand

I like rainbows

double post :P

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:05

#29

Khamsin

@Momo

It doesn't benefit the rich for very long.

3 SoL revs on an escalating curve = 7 sparks. Negligible cost, could do this every GvG match you played for a long time.

5 SoL rev on an escalating curve = 31 sparks. Do this for a couple hours and you'll run yourself dry.

7 SoL rev on an escalating curve = 127 sparks. You could do this for a couple games before going bankrupt.

Yes, escalating costs let the rich get an advantage, but so do UVs... and yet they don't break the game nearly as much as UVs. Also, SoL can be acquired relatively easily for free, whereas getting max, double max, or triple max almost necessitates spending money.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:55

#30

Krakob

@Feyi

You seem to forget one thing: control schemes. A keyboard player can't aim more than eight directions and having a 45 degree correction is rather perfect for this. Gamepad users, such as myself, also struggle with aim as there's no clear indicator that shows exactly where you're aiming.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:01

#31

Feyi-Feyi

Funny you should pick those two as an example: I played purely keyboard for 6 months, and use a controller now.
As soon as somebody told me about AT (why is it on by default?) I turned off and learnt I was actually really bad.
I relearned and dislike it ever since.

It's perfectly fine for being lazy in PvE but I don't feel like it has a place in LD in it's current form.
I could live with a form relating to your ping tho.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:08

#32

Krakob

I don't see why it should be removed if it makes you a bad player because that means it isn't overpowered and there's no need to try to restore balance by removing an optional feature that just makes you perform worse.

Say, what controller do you use?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:11

#33

Feyi-Feyi

I meant I learnt I was bad without it, as in that it did all the work for me.

Xbox 360 controller here, and I too am still waiting for them to give me a pointer telling me where I'm shooting.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:22

#34

Krakob

Then I assume you relied on combos?
With the first strike of toothpicks and all of Sealed Swords, AT is irrelevant. A gun only functions with AT if you're standing still and if your target is moving like any good player would, you wouldn't hit without a fast gun. The only currently popular weapons that really benefit from AT are the Brandishes (I'm looking at you, Acheron) and that's because the first swing covers less than 45 degrees. Correcting that should be no problem for a mouse player and anyone using the combo is dead if their opponent knows how to keep a small distance.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 16:42

#35

Jawny

@mzculet
please use google translate if english is not your native language.

"AT is foe newer playera who cant aim.

You want ce rev off because you dont want any other guild to beat your ego.

Your leader board idea is only for 21 to be 1st place in leader board.

Being able yo choose eho is in your random pvp team will NEVER work. And you know why. People are always going to try to put the best player in the best team."

First of all, why are you referencing his guild. This has nothing to do with it.

1. AT
-If you use AT, you'll never learn to aim.
-AT (as stated by others) is purely a ping advantage
-If you're new, you're not good. Don't need AT to add fake skill
-not only noobs are allowed to use AT. "pros" can use it too

2. ce rev
-Ego? this is purely for more fun in lockdown in general
-ce revs are unfair. Richer you are, more lives you will have, more chance of your team winning.
-You're saying that a guild that revs 50 sparks per player just to win. "beats his ego". I would say it inflates his ego, since he can view it as "I'm so OP, people need to spend 300 sparks just to win vs me!"

3. leaderboard idea
-this idea needs work, but has the right concept
-concept makes more skilled players/guilds go on top (like how it should be) instead of no-lifers (/poke icycute <3)
-it would be fair for 21 to be on top of the leaderboards if they had the best W/L ratio that week

4. team choosing
this would be a little hectic, and i'm against it. However, your point is invalid and completely absurd. You're saying that it wont be fair because people will try to pick the best players.

Uh.. sorry to break it to ya, but that's kinda the point. You fight for the best players and (probably) split them equally among both teams.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:03

#36

Mzculet

fyi I did not ask how much ce you have.

@jawny speak for ezho about using his english. Dont worry about me. I would really appreciate if you didnt correct my englisb. Instead correct your guild mates English instead.

Argue as you can. You cant help people from thinking that most ideas would benefit 21 starting with the LD leader boards idea.

Wouldn't call other people a no lifer . Specially with how hard somw people are trying to take someone down. *Cough cough*

And how is it absurd that people wouldnt pick a stronger player over a weaker player on there team? I do know some pvp players like to fight stronger players to have fun. However that is not how most people would put it.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 04:16

#37

Ezho

et bien daccord mzculet sa me

et bien daccord mzculet sa me derenge pas de parler francais.... mais je suis pas sure que tu vah comprendre un mot de se que je vais dire cest pour sa que je parle anglais ;) pcke moi je suis beaucoup plus francais que anglais mais bon on peut parler francais dans mon cas sa me derenge absolument pas sa depend juste de toi mzculet... Alors cest koi ta reponse pour mon language???????

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 04:37

#38

Krakob

Please use English in the English forums and keep French discussions in the the French forums.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:17

#39

Ezho

LOL french forum at coliseum

LOL french forum at coliseum it just like.... not active i dont want to talk with myselft over there lol.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:53

#40

Troupe-Forums

If leaderboards become based off w/l follow these easy steps to secure first place:
Create 'partner guild' or find a weak gvg team to play against
Win once against them
Don't play gvg after that
Enjoy perfect w/l ratio

In all seriousness, if leaderboards became w/l gvg would die off as stronger guilds would just pounce on weak teams then drop que the second a decent team shows up

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 06:51

#41

Ezho

for GVG no more top1-10

for GVG no more top1-10 leaderboard, When you put your mouse on an team it show how may win/loss you have versus every guild.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:23

#42

Krakob

If there isn't anyone else willing to discuss PvP in French there, why do you think there would be ones here and if there are, why would they be here rather than in the French forums?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:36

#43

Khamsin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:44

#44

Joseanand

@krakob

http://www.wikihow.com/Communicate-with-a-Non-Native-English-Speaker

quote from the site "If the person is new to English, keep in mind that on a certain level he will be "translating" his language to yours. His English words and expressions are influenced by his mother tongue, so things that might sound impolite to you are not always meant in that way."

btw I am a non native english speaker.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:34

#45

Krakob

English isn't my native language either but you don't see me talking in Swedish here.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:33

#46

Khamsin

@Krakob

Dat quality post.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:50

#47

Aus-Lagger

swedish and english are

swedish and english are germanic language

french-latin -> english does not compute

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 12:23

#48

Krakob

That's not really the point...
Ezho is able to speak English as he has shown several times. It might not be the best but he can still do it. He really has no excuse to post in French here.

Also, if you want to get picky about language origins, I'm pretty dang sure that English is influenced by Latin too.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 12:30

#49

Fayethi

Actually, Latin gave birth to

Actually, Latin gave birth to English, it was more then just an influence. *The more you know*

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 12:38

#50

Krakob

I wouldn't be too sure about that.
English is a bit of a mess if you ask me.

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