Aweshome sauce :D Now when people call me a wet blanket i cant take offense . _.
So this is what OOO is doing to our suggestions and junk
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 18:11
#52
This is my original comment.
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 19:32
#53
Witty Comment.
"When will people get it through their head that GM = admin ≠ customer service ≠ personal slave?"
Oh god the ignorance.
EDIT: I'd be surprised if GMs even worked in the same building as the dev team.
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 19:49
#54
What?!
That is like SUCH a lie totally. I mean like EVERYONE KNOWS that GMs are TOTALLY personal slaves. What are you, an alien?
:P
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 19:56
#55
:;
aaha...
I recently (gladly) got out of the game industry, so I can give some input from that side.
More often than not, the developers actually are under a non-disclosure agreement (your work is a secret), and the higher ups really determine what goes out from inside the company.
There are lots of articles out there for developers that argue whether or not it's a good idea to interact with your playerbase (and if so, how much interaction). Because a LOT of hate can come from players and actually visiting forums/reading public input into your game can be completely disheartening (see: Phil Fish and FEZ 2 lol)... or really dumb.
For example, the company I worked at had not released a game in the time originally announced to the public. Since we weren't allowed to really say -why-, we could only look (and laugh, shake head at) the things people posted. They included lots of internet threats of bodily harm because they wanted said game to come out so much. Foaming at the mouth bad. Imagine having to actually hold a two way dialogue with people like that. There's no placating it.
and yep, GMs are often not part of the development team and are more of a community support role (so think more forum admins, or player support when they get stuck in-game).
I will say though that it's more likely for devs to respond directly after a patch (because that's when things like emergency bugfixes are most needed), so they have to make sure the game's not broken then haha.
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 20:36
#56
As to why Radiants were
As to why Radiants were dropped: Once again, probably SEGA wanted to actually profit from this contract. You don't think they did the contract out of the goodness of their own heart, right? They, like all companies, seek profit and gain from a rather cold point of view. When OOO removed Mist Energy, causing elevators to become free, that left a major gap for people to exploit. Play some time, level up all your weapons, and leave because it gets boring with all the awesome stuff you have. In comes the Forge, both a way to limit the super fast grind advance, and for SEGA to profit yet more, by charging extravagant prices for Fire Crystals.
^^
thats all good, but i dont read a singl word in any official pathcnotes or post about
all,what ppl wants - answers
if they nerf it forever just saying *guys, radiant drop now only on 28 depth, it not a bug - it game changes*
are u read something like that ? im not
people guess why it happens and how for long, ask questions which remain without the answer, and it starts irritating
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 22:15
#57
When you're this swag this world just bows at your knees
EDIT: I'd be surprised if GMs even worked in the same building as the dev team.
Yep. They don't. I recall reading records of GMs accessing Spiral Knights to help players from their laptop in their cars, among other non-office locations.
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 23:10
#58
Its not like you agreed to this or anything........
Oh wait-
Either you or Three Rings may terminate your account and this agreement upon notice at any time without further obligation to the other. Further, Three Rings reserves the right to terminate the Site, Services and/or Games, or any part thereof, at any time without notice and without further obligation to you. IN NO EVENT SHALL YOU BE ENTITLED TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES OR PRORATION THEREOF. UPON TERMINATION OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOUR ACCESS PRIVILEGES TO THE SITE, SERVICES AND GAMES WILL TERMINATE AND YOU WILL FORFEIT ANY UNUSED SERVICES THAT YOU PURCHASED OR RECEIVED PRIOR TO TERMINATION. A member whose account Three Rings has terminated may not access the Site, Services or Games in any manner or for any reason without Three Rings' express, prior, written permission. Termination of this agreement shall have no effect on any payment obligation accrued prior to the effective date of termination. The following sections shall survive termination: 7(1) and (2), 8 and 14-21.
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 23:27
#59
yes, irrelevant legal jargon
yes, irrelevant legal jargon that only refers to a violation of TOS or the personal termination of ones own account through their own free will. if you want to hide behind the law, instead of common sense and decency, then you better get behind big tobacco and every other corporate coward.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 01:16
#60
Can I sit down? The sky keeps swirling around.
As the above user has mentioned, I don't see what the TOS has to do with this discussion.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 06:05
#61
my 2 cents
Readiing this Thread made me lose some brain cell... >.<
I saw A LOT of game master in my SK playtime... I saw Coriolis once!, and Atalanta have fun with players.
I even heard stories about Atalanta spying people in Lockdown, about Hyperion wacking people with his ban stick and much, much more...
Here's the catch: Atalanta and Hyperion are Community Manager, it's their duty to come and say hi and restrain people when they go overboard. While Nick is the main developper of the game, he's busy doing dev stuff, leading people, taking decisions (sprite, dash, gunner update, shroud of the apocrea, guild hall, etc.). He's too busy to go play with us...
While Atalanta can fool around disguise as a snipe, to hear people reaction to an update and gather feedback...
OOO are smarter than you think... (at least I would like to believe)
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 07:01
#62
But that doesn't refer to a violation of the terms of service. That refers to OOO having the right to ban you for no reason. How is that not relevant? You agreed to it.
It doesn't change the fact that OOO might catch more flys with honey, but it does mean that they are legally protected in their right to ban us for... whatever.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 07:32
#63
OOO are smarter than you
OOO are smarter than you think...
always lagged sever - part of *smart plan* too ?
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 08:51
#64
my 2 cents
always lagged sever - part of *smart plan* too ?
After 2 years playing this game and over 2000 hours in-game time, I can certify you that the server aren't laggy, EU or NA for that matter... I play on EU a lot of times with 3 connection bar...
After 1 year playing the game, my friend who lives in New-Caledonia still lag and will always lag... because of geological location.
If you play on your Windows XP with 1 gig of ram, it's normal that you lag... otherwise, the game is pretty fine compared to his Steam debut...
Edit: About OOO terminating accounts, if the game close they have the right to delete everything, yes they can do that... It's for that only purpose. And in any DRM game, you have no control over your char files... They can do whatever they want with it...
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 11:14
#65
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if you want to hide behind the law, instead of common sense and decency, then you better get behind big tobacco and every other corporate coward.
are you eight years old
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 11:30
#66
Is this still happening?
They aren't obligated to talk to us. They make sure we don't do things against the rules. Talking directly to is is rarely a part of that, except in the case of announcing events.
There's nothing about "if you dont find this acceptable" or "this is an arguing point".
They don't do it. if you have a definite problem, the help desk exists and is active.
They are probably not allowed to discuss content lest they post spoilers or biased material, and they probably have little to no idea as to the workings of the devs.
I'm not telling you to accept it, but I'm telling you you might be wasting your time to argue with a silent entity about why they're being silent, and expect an answer.
But then again maybe reasoning will be lost on you, since you insist they take their free time to work.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 15:23
#67
@thimol
Actually, i'm a 24 year old law student who's tired of people thinking that right and wrong are defined by legal matters, and not common sense.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 15:31
#68
Pics or no proof.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 15:42
#69
@Damienfoxy
It's not about what's morally right, it's about what can actually happen. You can protest how you don't agree with reality, but that doesn't change reality.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 16:05
#70
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Actually, i'm a 24 year old law student who's tired of people thinking that right and wrong are defined by legal matters,
you can't read
you can't read
you can't read
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 17:13
#71
>.>
This thread certainly got off topic.
Damien, I find it unlikely that a 24 year old law student would use such atrocious English. Sides, you're a law peep. Isn't your income stemming from legal interpretation? And yet you condone legal views?
If you were a salmon, you'd be quite FISHY.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 17:55
#72
Typical of an Internet troll
Typical of an Internet troll to claim that someone has bad grammar just to try and make themselves seem more intelligent.
And while I may be a law student, that doesn't mean I approve of the majority of practices.
And to get back to the subject, I know they are not obligated to answer, I'm well aware that they have the control of a typical tyrant, but if you want to keep people in your game, treat them right.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 18:31
#73
Notice now Damien's speaking
Notice now Damien's speaking with proper grammar/spelling.
If you don't approve with the practices why the heck did you go into law? That's like hating bread and working in a bakery.
And for the record, OOO does treat the players right the majority of the time. I've never heard of a player being upset over something they had done to them by a GM or admin. They may not always address the big issues right away but it eventually gets worked on and a solution is always found.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 18:47
#74
notice now how it was never
notice now how it was never improper to begin with.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 18:57
#75
Can I sit down? The sky keeps swirling around.
I still don't see how the TOS mentioning that our accounts were never ours in the first place is suddenly relevant to the topic of the lack of communication between OOO and it's playerbase.
If anything, the mention of that completely dragged the whole thread off rails.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:48
#76
SCREEE! Guess what, this thread has just derailed!
I'm not placing claims upon my own intelligence. Need me to say that again?
I AM SAYING I AM NOT INCREDIBLY INTELLIGENT.
The entire human population knows less than 1% of everything in the universe. One individual human, smart? No way, Johnny. That includes myself.
Your English IS improper. Capitalization was a key issue of annoyance. Now, back on topic.
/e welds the track back together. No derailing!
Damien, we've already answered your questions. GMs are NOT Devs. Devs are busy doing their job - developing stuff for us, a whiny community. Including me. I accept that. All humans have various degrees of whininess. Some less so than others. GMs do not always know what's going on next. Heck, they work in a different building from the Devs! What more do you need to know, Damien? I just want this thread to be Graveyarded to clear of GD space.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:06
#77
http://puu.sh/5bVxM.jpg
enoug
enough said.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:08
#78
You didn't even read a single thing, did you?
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:08
#79
Well if you don't want to be mistaken for an 8 year old, a few capital letters here and there could go a long ways.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:16
#80
Typical response of forum
Typical response of forum trolls to think grammar makes any difference when it comes to sending a message.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:09
#81
And yet a little grammar goes a long way. I'm being 100% serious here. It's not hard to hold down a shift key when pressing another button. Even if you're on a phone/tablet, unless you're trying to type with a numpad (in which case, either upgrade your phone or stop trying to use it to post on the forums), it's only one more keystroke.
It's like following the letter of the law, rather than the spirit of the law. Technically speaking, grammar doesn't matter, as long as people are able to understand what you mean. However, we can't hear your voice or your thoughts. All interpretations of tone come from what you type in your posts. A few grammatical errors (that are EASILY fixed) make you look either lazy or just uneducated (if not both). Imagine if someone stood up in a courtroom and said "Well, 'bout them stupid accusations. I find they be completely retarded and only some dumb*** would be thinkin' this be somethin' serious."
Not to mention the "Typical troll remark" response is just pitiful. It doesn't add to your argument, and in this case it was a false accusation. True, I phrased it in a half-hearted/joking-ish tone, but I wasn't trolling. Good grammar goes a long way.
Also, despite being a law student, you seem to have completely ignored the "they are probably under a non-disclosure agreement" argument, which has come up a few times in this thread.
Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:46
#82
When you're this swag this world just bows at your knees
/yawn
I'm sure if he cared about grammar that much, he'd be using it in his posts. You can't change what someone else does on the internet any more than you can change people in real life. His level of grammar is well above par, if you're having difficulty understanding him then that's your problem.
As for "bad grammar makes you look like a primary schooler", it's a pretty terrible rebuttal when his points are strong and sound. Don't bring up grammar when debating things. (unless it's actually impacting your ability to understand) Sure, in general discussion, yeah. But otherwise it just makes you look like a jerk. Assuming someones age is always taken as an insult on the internet. It's never a joke unless you know the person personally. You wouldn't use those comments on someone you were only acquainted with in real life, same rules apply here.
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:37
#83
Witty Comment.
There are highly credible people who type worse grammar on the PC than teenagers using text speak on a mobile phone.
Grammar is not an accurate representation of the person on the other side.
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 02:08
#84
I'm sorry, but what are his points? From what I can tell, he's saying that I'm clearly trolling and that it doesn't matter how he says something as long as it is understood.
I'm saying that if you at least attempt proper grammar and a few capital letters here and there, it'll leave a better impression. When I read a post with zero capital letters, I'm a lot quicker to dismiss it as just another idiot on the internet. Maybe it's because I've taken AP English courses, thus I tend to read between the lines too much and make too big of a fuss about it.
EDIT**
Also, I'd rather argue about grammar than the actions of GM :P
EDIT2**
Technically should it be GMs, GM's, or simply use GM as both singular and plural? Hrm...
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:57
#85
When you're this swag this world just bows at your knees
Also, I'd rather argue about grammar than the actions of GM :P
Wise choice.
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 04:55
#86
He pretty much just called everyone a troll and didn't respond to any of my points. Here, I'll even respond to yours to be nice.
if you want to hide behind the law, instead of common sense and decency, then you better get behind big tobacco and every other corporate coward.
First: What the heck is this thing you refer to, common sense? Isn't so common any more.
Second: I agree all corporations are kind of ridiculous in their greed.
Third: Even if I did want to use this thing called common sense and decency, the law is the law. You can't get around it. OOO is, probably by contract, bound to do ANYTHING SEGA asks of them ingame. Otherwise they would get their contract broken off and probably get sued. Psst. If you're getting sued, you don't have much time to do your job. >.>
Four: What have you to say in return? This thread is taking up room in General Discussion, and I just want to finish this and go home.
Five: You think we troll? Go and check out Luguiru.
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 05:20
#87
So, we are pretty much
So, we are pretty much subject to the claws of a dying game company.
The game however, spiral knights, was probably the best move that Sega could make... So kudos on that. Just remember that you acquired a community when you acquired spiral knights.
I'm done with the discussion until the issues are answered. Here or elsewhere
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 07:32
#88
Who said anything about OOO
Who said anything about OOO dying? It's still going strong from everything I can see.
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:13
#89
Can I sit down? The sky keeps swirling around.
^ Not entirely true.
There is a steady flow of CE pouring in judging by the market prices, which means people are buying CE and OOO is getting money. We just don't know how much they are getting.
Remember not a lot of people are inclined to sell CE on the market, and a bunch might just be hanging on to it for lulz and profits.
So with the assumption that people are putting CE on the market immediately after acquiring it, then OOO is getting a steady stream of okay-ish money from players, whereas with the assumption that people are hanging on to CE after buying it, then OOO is making much more then we can gauge.
Either way, spiral knights is earning money.
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:21
#90
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Right, they're hardly struggling to get by at all; plus aside from SK they have three other games, though admittedly I don't know what the player base is like for those.
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:42
#91
my 2 cents
The game however, spiral knights, was probably the best move that Sega could make... So kudos on that. Just remember that you acquired a community when you acquired spiral knights.
I'm just... I... no words can describe this failure...Only a picture can
You do know Sega right...? And Sonic... you know... the costume of the Metal Sonic in SK....
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:57
#92
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
adding on what shamanala said... erm... SEGA is the publisher, and has nothing do to with SK except metal sonic costume and tails' tails. and it's probably the best for OOO if SEGA doesn't interfere with the idea of SK they have, and that they gather from the community, unless they want this shut down.
Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:23
#93
He's referring to how it was a smart decision on Sega's part to acquire OOO. It may not be the best for us, but it was still a smart move on their part.
That or the points that are being made are flying way over my head.
Sat, 11/09/2013 - 04:43
#94
In terms of business
In terms of business decisions, yes. Sega picked up a winner. Everything else Sega has, is just dead, overplayed content or mediocre titles.
I wouldn't be surprised if spiral knights was the only thing keeping Sega alive... If that's the case, Sega would benefit greatly if they tried everything in their power to keep their breadwinners community happy.
Sat, 11/09/2013 - 21:05
#95
-Generic Subject Line-
I'll tell you what they are doing with our suggestions...dancing on their graves
Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:39
#96
I too am frustrated by the
I too am frustrated by the drought of Radiants.
Increasing CE;
What WE see: greed
What SEGA sees: profit
However, you gotta give SEGA some slack. SEGA isn't exactly in the best state right now...
My points;
No new Sonic/SEGA games on the Wii(U) (Lost World is coming later)
No new SEGA console so it can't compete with Nintendo, or Xbox, etc.,
NOT a lot of CONTENT; SEGA is most famous for Sonic and "clings to the glory days" by reintroducing/reinventing Sonic. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I have not seen another SEGA game without Sonic (on a console) for a LONG time.
[Just checked the SEGA website; http://www.sega.com/new-games/ , not very mainstream]
SEGA was partially recovering from net loss during 1988-2002
[Source; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega ]
Inflation?
(I might be wrong about these points)
Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:33
#97
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
crash, I can answer to half of your questions with a sort of excuse.
No new Sonic/SEGA games on the Wii(U) (Lost World is coming later): yup, that was a slack.
No new SEGA console so it can't compete with Nintendo, or Xbox, etc.,: that was because the great, great failure from the dreamcast. they practically failed when the race was hot and never came back. the other contestant was the PS1, that got up instead of the dreamcast, and so it kinda got all the good. even if the dreamcast was (imo) better that the PS1 at the time. I have DC, my cousing had a PS, and so I know.
NOT a lot of CONTENT; SEGA is most famous for Sonic and "clings to the glory days" by reintroducing/reinventing Sonic. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I have not seen another SEGA game without Sonic (on a console) for a LONG time.: that's because of the fans. and of SEGA, too. they introduced so many side characters in time that the fans just spit on everything that isn't Sonic. not me aye; I am a sonic fan but I prefer that all those side characters would become characters, cause it's all wasted this way.
as for other games, well, you see them. they aren't exactly what SEGA would like to point on.
SEGA was partially recovering from net loss during 1988-2002: yeah. that. that is a major problem. SEGA is afraid of losing again and so it pushes what it has to the max. and sometimes it breaks it.
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 06:07
#98
Sonic Lost World is already out and its a huge disappointment. It isn't even selling well.
Let's face it, Sega is falling down to the dumps.
Rome 2 was buggy and had bad AI.
Lost World is mediocre.
Not releasing PSO2 in the west...
I don't even care about a musical game.
Don't make me talk about Aliens Colonial Marines...
Not even Sonic can save Sega, since Japan has lost interest in him.
And because of his recent Mediocre games... (Except Generations)
Oh, and
@Thunder The Dreamcast's competitors were PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox.
All I can say now is that Sega needs to re-introduce the Genesis IP's such as Golden Axe, Streets of Rage etc.
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 06:08
#99
streets of rage was a
streets of rage was a disappointment... played it at a party a few times... i'm still wondering what the heck i just played...
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 06:39
#100
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
sorry, I remember that my brother bought DC when my cousin had a PS1, which was true for the first 2 years of production, then PS2 came out.
ah well, PS2 was better. add that to all crash has said, and you get some kind of a failure. in fact, forget the "some kind" part.
and reintroducing is not gonna work for a new console. if you want to sell, you gotta point in the first place to new gamers. old gamers are way too conservative to be good customers, if you look at it that way. you can't work with the product. look at SK to see all the whines changes got. and not all were bad.
It turns out that deku means blanket in Czech. Have a cookie.
Now, to keep this clear:
GM =/= Developer
GM =/= Free to share their information
GM = Ensnared by SEGA.