DR was nerfed because it spinned twice as fast and murdered enemies in seconds. much like acheron, you know.

They need to nerf the acheron next. Its DPS is comically higher than the GF's.

so you want an OP bomb cause hammer is OP? couldn't you ask for a nerf instead? it would be more logic since the hammer is, you know, OP, while the mask doesn't seem so.
besides, a DBB or a SSS will help you in fiend arenas. you can stunlock greavers while killing devilites with DBB, or you can stun them with SSS and then it's alllll easier.
and someone already said the the bomb shreds through jellies (ever been in RJP with one?) and gremlins are killed easily too cause the bomb bypasses shields one way or another.

DR already helps with turrets (exept howlizers obviously) cause it does fair damage quite a bit of times per second. and ever heard of nitrome? it's fast enough to counter turrets. there is also a thing named dodging that bombers should excel at.
anyway, I'll say it clearly: do you want this game to have P2W things? cause 3.2kce is a lot. it's not like a F2P can get them like that. and DR is already useful as it is. we don't need more OP equipment, we are already able to kill things pretty well.

I don't own the bomb, so i can't tell if it's still decent, but many people say that it got nerfed and is "useless" now,

I want those people to meet any DR party in RJP or zeddy in an arena with DR.

EDIT: forgot to say: OCH is the greatest source of radiants right now, and the payout is comparable to FSC.

Blitz, if you don't even have the bomb how can you say that it isn't good? try using it before you criticize it.

Royal jelly is a 2*/3* tier 2 boss, which is supposed to be easy(and is probably the easiest boss in the game)

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Snarbolax.

If Dark Retribution got further nerfed, it would still not be underpowered.

Unless it got invincitinks, that is. Then I'd start riots and fires.

let me say where you are wrong. no offense, huh, it's just clear to me.
blitz doesn't only obliterates trojans, it obliterates everything at short range and half of the monster at high range. it deals high damage at high range and instakill at close range. balanced, you say?
chaos needs to be balanced with mad bomber. mad bomber is a kind of balanced armor. balanced with the overall balance of the game. so chaos needs to be balanced with the overall balance of the game.
and chaos outclasses every single armor in the game, because offense is way more valued that defense, so having a lot of buffs more than say, snarbolax (+4 vs +8*3) doesn't balance it towards snarby because snarby has more defense and resistances. that was bad english and I should feel bad.

The Autogun line is so overpowered, the Volcanic Pepperbox (being a normal damage weapon, a damage type notorious for being underpowered) is actually balanced.

Acheron needs a fix so that it does more damage than the obsidian edge but less than the gran faust.

Acheron needs a fix so that it does less damage than Cold Iron Vanquisher against undead.

OP, I understood where you were coming from, until your blitz comment. Sir, you can bring the blitz needle literally ANYWHERE and be succesfull. Bring a 4 man blitz party to RJP, and you STILL tear the place apart.

As for the DR, the nerf was needed, and I was among the first to have one. It was highly OP, and essentially made every other weapon useless (blitz excluded). Even now, it is a scary powerful bomb, and this is AFTER a damage reduction and speed reduction.

blitz:
same could be said about the the wolver line and what? jelly/magic/skelly? that's because they are defensive sets (and should be buffed anyway). I was comparing 2 offensive sets, and snarby is pretty balanced with the rest of wolver line and the gunsilnger and bomber lines (that is, if you don't consider the bomber line having only elemental defense...). it's not the wolver the problem, it's swords, and it *should* be fixed with the gunner update. in the wrong way imo, but that's beside the point.

For the OP: nope. I use Dark Retribution in RJP, and in a party of four on Elite difficulty, with me being the only person with a Dark Retribution, and the others being lowly 3* noobies, I can destroy Jelly King in 34 seconds flat with my Level 7 Dark Retribution, without any CTR bonuses. That's pretty insane, because adding it up, that's about 7 seconds per phase, then the rage-spin, which he is invincible while doing. If anything, it needs to be nerfed even more.

It does 4080 damage against piercing-weak targets, and 2865 damage against piercing-neutral targets.
Might I remind you that the Sudaruska comes with a similar movement penalty and its charge only deals 895 damage.
Heck, the Fang of Vog sets you on fire and it only deals 2260 damage to elemental-weak targets!
The Volcanic Pepperbox is in the same crafting line, has an identical charge attack and it only deals 1605 damage.
The Callahan comes with the same movement penalties that a Blitz does while firing, and its charge only deals 467 damage against piercing-weak enemies.

I knew Blitz was as overpowered as it comes, but I never knew the true damage values when comparing it to other weapons. Thank you, Hexzyle, for opening my eyes on this.

[Blitz Needle] does 4080 damage against piercing-weak targets, and 2865 damage against piercing-neutral targets.
The Callahan comes with the same movement penalties that a Blitz does while firing, and its charge only deals 467 damage against piercing-weak enemies.

however, you won't be able to move a lot longer with blitz needle than with callahan.

Does Blitz Needle's charge stop you from moving nine times longer than the Callahan's charge does?
If not, then your argument has no weight.
Or do you think that Blitz Needle's charge release time only being double the Callahan's is a big enough downfall to justify its far faster move speed while charging and 9x damage increase?
Please tell me. What makes you not agree with a Blitz Damage nerf?

don't get PvP into this, we have invinciframes and that is the only thing that puts blitz out of LD. in the legendary no invinciframes day, blitz was all over the place in LD.
and blitz isn't the only thing that people use for trojans, there are toothpicks that do great job. but toothpicks are melee and blitz lets you kill a trojan from the distance. the charge attack works great into the faces of devilites because of the interrupt, and the only thing left is wolvers, which are wolvers, I mean one of the easiest monsters in the game. you can attack them while they attack and in some hits you'll be done.
also, as hexzyle have already said, it deals 4k damage, so even if we nerf blitz a bit, it should be able to cripple a trojan pretty good.

"Ever seen a autogun in pvp ? NO Ever seen a Magnus in pvp ? Yes."

Every seen a blitz during that one week Lockdown didn't have invinciframes? Yes, it was basically the only weapon people used.

you haven't said a thing to counter me.
blitz does around 1k damage to resistant targets so they are viable for JK and RT, there are better weapons but blitz is not one of the worst. and as you said, they resist piercing so it shouldn't be like that.
devilite fight with blitz is: encounter devilites-> retreat while charging-> get to a semi choke point-> fire charge, now devilites are dead or near dead.
with greavers, all you need is a corner or a wall, then interrupt them with the normal shots until you die.
wolvers, again, if you hit them while they attack you can kill them pretty fast, even without using the charge attack.
blitz needle is viable anywhere but arenas, in a few words. and even if you are in an arena, you should be going pretty good because of the interruption.

problem is, blitz is over all the crap you have listed.
not that they are really bad, but we are talking about blitz.

It's already annoying enough when you argue with one person who twists your argument and you just sit there thinking "I didn't say it like that".

But it's more than irritating when you not only do that, but selectively block out or ignore some parts of my argument.

Nope, since they are resistant to piercing

I was, you know, making a point there about how OP the Blitz is, since it still shreds piercing-resistant enemies. Wait, you don't understand how to read between the lines? How about this:

THEY ARE STILL SHREDDED BY THE BLITZ WHICH SHOWS HOW GROSSLY OVERPOWERED THE BLITZ NEEDLE IS.

Only with a lot of range and if they aren't all over the place

How did you even get past Tier 2 without learning how to do crowd control?

Ever hear that the tier 3 ones teleport when you shoot a gun?

Yes I did hear-

No? GET OUT.

Do I need to smack you?

YES I HEARD THAT THEY CAN TELEPORT I ALSO HEARD THAT THEY CAN'T WHEN FAILING TO BITE OFF YOUR LEG.

Fighting fast flying enemies that can quickly surround you and attack fast with a gun that lets you stay in one place ?

First, don't put a space between the last word and the punctuation mark.

Secondly, did you read my entire sentence?

Here, I'll explain this to you one last time. In caps too. HIDE IN THE CORNER AND SPAM YOUR CHARGES GREAVERS ARE DISRUPTED BY ONE HIT AND THE BLITZ SPITS OUT DOZENS SO IF YOU COVER YOUR ENTIRE EXPOSED PERIMETER BY BACKING AGAINST A CORNER THEN YOU CAN KISS THE GREAVERS BYE-BYE.

The main blitz use is to 1 hit kill trojans with the charge, it's not a piercing gun for everywhere

You obviously are not paying attention to a single darn statistic that we've spouted all over this thread, nor our replies that it shreds constructs and jellies with ease, the pierce resistant enemies.

Blitz Needle can kill a construct in one charge.

Shoot that down.

I'll throw in the numbers for you.
Lancer Knightz' handgun damage for D24.
You can see that, at max damage, Blitz Needle does 50 damage per hit versus constructs.

So we total it up. 15 x 50 = 750.

On advanced, at depth 24, Gun Puppies, Retrodes and Scuttlebots all have a base health of 733.

750 > 733, so if you charge your Blitz at them and hit with at least 14 out of your 15 bullets, you kill them.

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For comparison, this is merely half the damage of max damage Deadly Shard Bomb's core explosion. Deadly Shard Bomb, the normal damage bomb, does 102 damage with its core explosion and 132 with its shards. Deadly Shard Bomb has a hit limit of 2 hits per bomb. (Said to be 3 + core, but if you consistently triple-hit you get invincitinks). The most damage you could possibly hope to inflict with a charge from DSB is therefore 102 + 132 + 132 = 366. Blitz Needle does not have a hit limit for its 15 shots.

Even laying two Deadly Shard Bombs with absolute perfection (732 damage), you would not be able to kill a construct.

Dark Retribution, a shadow bomb, does 46 damage per hit againstr constructs when not using damage bonuses. At max bonus this numbers is upped to 61. Dark Retributioin is capable of hitting up to 12 times. 12 x 61 = 732. Still not enough to kill a single construct.

Two Nitronomes, 301+301 = 602 damage. Still not enough to kill a single construct.

An average fire tick inflicted by Ash of Agni, which is conveniently the damage it does versus all the constructs Blitz is capable of oneshotting, comes at 62 damage. You would need 12 ticks to kil a single constructs, which would take about 3-4 bombs.

Neutralizer's charge is a lot of work to set up. At max damage it inflicts 502 damage + regular shot (156) for a total of 658. Still not enough to kill a single construct.

I could go on. Do you want me to go on?

"(i'm sure it's a set number, so that could be only changed, and not the complete damage that it deals against fiends."

Do you have any basis whatsoever for this claim?

Meanwhile anyone without a Blitz Needle has to do it the proper way, taking 20 times as longer to kill the Trojan? Seems fair in a game that is supposed to encourage gear diversity to have only one weapon that can one-shot a certain enemy that would normally take skilled footwork and team cooperation to take down.