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Hey Brandish,Can You Give Me Your Most Useful Brother?

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Tue, 11/26/2013 - 11:54
Epicskunk's picture
Epicskunk

I always play this game,but I came to a roadblock.

As you know,Elemental Damage melts down Constructs' metal body,and purifies Undead's soul.I'm using Warmaster Rocket Hammer for them,that I got by soloing(?) Operation : Crimson Hammer Tier 3 on Elite (I am so pro.) but I think WRH is very slow for me,since my computer lags.

So,I am thinking about getting a Brandish,but I am not sure which one.Also,note that I'm not gonna ask about Acheron or Obsidian Edge : those are Shadow Damaging Brandishes.

Here is what I am thinking about each weapon,and all of them at the same time :

All

- They seems to have normal speed,and normal amount of damage.Cool,a no bonus,no penalty type of weapon! :D
- The ONLY way to deal their effect is by Charge Attack.
- Cautery Sword sucks.

Combuster

Fun fact : You can find it by searching "spiral knights combuster" but you will find so little answers.You will find more answers for the Combuster if you search "spiral knights combastur" xD

- It looks fierce.
- Charge Attack deals Fire.Fire does normal damage,but heals and gives Elemental Defence for Oilers. -_-
- Enemies "ride" the explosion wave,since Fire does not stop enemies.

Glacius

- It looks chilling.Would be better if the sword itself had Frosty costume colors.
- Charge Attack deals Freeze.Freeze makes enemies stop at their spot,but it makes them still attack.De-freezes Ice based enemies.Well,at least it does not heal them,so +1 to Glacius.
- Enemies DO NOT "ride" the explosion wave,since Freeze sticks enemies in their spot.

Voltedge

- Looks cool.Storm color for this one?
- Charge Attack deals Shock.Shock does little ELEMENTAL Damage,and makes the enemy spazm,making them stop doing any action.But it heals AND overcharges Quicksilvers.
- Enemies DO NOT "ride" the explosion wave,since Shock MAY stop enemies.
- Very hard to get : you must play LD and BN,and get 300 Krogmo Coins (50 for Shockburst,100 for Boltbrand,150 for Voltedge).-1 for that.

So,which sword should I get?Combuster,Glacius or Voltedge?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 12:00
#1
Bopp's picture
Bopp
obligatory

You have the basic facts straight. Which is best depends somewhat on your experience, play style, etc. You might try searching Google for something like "which brandish site:forums.spiralknights.com". My own answer is here.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 12:05
#2
Epicskunk's picture
Epicskunk
@Bopp

That didn't helped me,sorry. :(

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 12:10
#3
Bopp's picture
Bopp
why not?

Why didn't it help? I gave you an extensive battery of facts and analysis, and then I gave you my opinion of which sword to get. If that doesn't help you, then what would help you?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:24
#4
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
:|

Brandishes in a nutshell:
Combuster-pure damge, no immobilization of enemies
Glacius-little damage, alot of immobilization of enemies
Voltedge-average damage, avergae immobilization of enemies

So as you can see, combuster is the sword to get if you just want pure and honest damage, but I strongly recommend not to get this as your first brandish, the reason for that is that all zombies in FSC (your obligatory grindspot) are resistant to fire, the fire inflicted by the combuster will be useless in those cases.

Glacius is a good place to start, it can freeze a large group of contructs or zombies and you can use the charge repeatedly to finish off the horde without them ever fighting back. The freeze will lock them onto the ground and they will not be able to turn and aim.

Voltedge, as good as it looks, it is a hard sword to get, you will need about 175 korgromo coins to get all the recipes needed to craft one. So that is about 70+ rounds of PvP you have to play to get it. The sword can interrupt enemy attack(shock) while doing some damage like the combuster. So it is an inbetween of combuster and glacius.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 18:03
#5
Epicskunk's picture
Epicskunk
@Midnight-Dj

First of all,you are not saying anything like "choose this" so it is not helpful.

Second,I know all of those.

Third,no,Voltedge needs 300,not 175.

Forth,with with all of this,I think you are not reading what I said,so you go like "Huh,the thread name is that,so I should write info about those weapons without looking at the actual thread and the comments made for it."

Sorry.You are being even less helpful than Bopp.AT LEAST he gave me info that I don't know,like the speed of the sword with numbers and such.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:01
#6
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
...

acheron is too powerful btw, it's excellent against everything except fiend and undead. the damage is very similar with elemental brandish vs robots, only 3 damage difference at t2.

Combuster by default. If you got vortex combined, volt edge.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:09
#7
Epicskunk's picture
Epicskunk
@Poopsie Wait...LOL

Combuster?Don't you think it will heal Oilers,and be very hard for FSC?You know,I am doing FSC with the helps of Vanguards,since I can't f***ing pass the last HoH. -_-

Also,please read what I said. "So,I am thinking about getting a Brandish,but I am not sure which one.Also,note that I'm not gonna ask about Acheron or Obsidian Edge : those are Shadow Damaging Brandishes."

Underlining the last sentence.The "Also,note that I'm not gonna ask about Acheron or Obsidian Edge : those are Shadow Damaging Brandishes." one.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:23
#8
Bopp's picture
Bopp
for the love of

Epicskunk, did you actually read the link I gave you? Like Poopsie, I recommended Combuster. I specifically addressed its performance in FSC. Yes, it is great in FSC. This is all in the link that I gave you.

Specifically about oilers: I use Combuster against oilers all the time. Yes, it sets them on fire --- a split second before they die. Or, if you're really worried about it, then don't use the charge attacks on them. The regular attacks kill them plenty quickly.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:29
#9
Epicskunk's picture
Epicskunk
I am really bad at attacking

I am really bad at attacking normaly.The enemy has to be something that stands still,like Polyps,because of the lag.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:16
#10
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato
For the HATE of - /e was brutally murdered.

If you're bad at attacking normally, then you can't play FSC without dying.

Oilers? Here's a tip. In FSC, they'll probably already get on fire from the turrets. If they aren't on fire, don't use the Combuster charge attack.

I say Combuster. It's the best DPS, even in FSC. The zombies will ride the whole charge, and get more damage than either a Glacius or Voltedge charge attack would.

But, if you lag, I say Glacius might be the best, as it gives you time to readjust yourself and wait out the lag spasm. It's also safer, and you can spam charge enemies and freeze lock them. But it takes some time to do that.

So, my choice?

Combuster. Even if I wasn't a pyromaniac.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:56
#11
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
...

Didn't care about oilers. I still charge combuster them. I only stay regular attack whenever party members around. Oilers are weak as long as you keep poking them, they won't do anything, not even walking. One of the monster you asked was construct, hence I said acheron is still viable for them. Sure don't appreciate the acheron. *me goes acheron swiping on all random places*

About voltedge, you could just buy 3* from Auction Hall, they are not far off than other 3* stuffs. Then, get 4* and 5* recipes.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:55
#12
Epicskunk's picture
Epicskunk
Well,I am choosing

Well,I am choosing Glacius,because,as a survivalist,being sure and safe is better than being reckless.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:00
#13
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
...

Weapon of choice doesn't make you more reckless. It's how you play. I even meet someone keep spamming shiver, yet still dies too fast. Also, if you are lacking of damage bonus and keep rushing, I could sure say glacius is more reckless than combuster.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:02
#14
Epicskunk's picture
Epicskunk
I said "sure and safe" !

I said "sure and safe" !

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:06
#15
Bopp's picture
Bopp
a fine choice

Glacius is a fine choice. You'll have fun. Enjoy.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:23
#16
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
-.-

So at the end he choosed the sword I recommended, lol.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:46
#17
Bopp's picture
Bopp
yeah, you win

Yeah, it seems that you beat all of the other posters combined. We were all recommending Combuster, with Voltedge in second. Congratulations?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:35
#18
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato
Darn, you win.

I was expecting him to choose Combuster, as Glacius can still kill you if you use it wrong.

{What do you mean, Sandy? You said it was safer!}

Of course it's safer...in the right hands. See, when monsters are Frozen, they can still attack in one direction (not that band). So, if you're going through a forest of frozen zombies, they can still unleash their breath attack, swipe, now sorta weak lunge, or their rare bite attack (probably a glitch). Just keep that in mind while readjusting your position.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:46
#19
Tehepicwin's picture
Tehepicwin
My opinion

I'm just joining this conversation after the decision has already been made, so my words are basically useless.

Anyway, here is what each elemental brandish does:

Glacius: Stops enemies. Does significant thaw damage.

Volt Edge: Stops enemies in a on/off pattern. Does insignificant shock damage.

Combuster: Pushes enemies back. Does a lot of fire damage.

The thing is, stopping enemies sounds like a good idea when it really isn't. I would rather have no status effect on the Glacius.

Here is a thought: You are running circles around a room with a horde of Mecha Knights following you. If you use the Glacius, when you make circles you will find yourself blocked by frozen enemies. Similar situation with Volt Edge. With a Combuster, the Mecha Knights can die before you even make another circle.

+1 for Combuster there.

How about if you are trapped in a corner? Combuster also has the advantage here. Here is what each brandish would do in this situation:

Glacius: Freeze enemies in place

Volt Edge: Slow enemies

Combuster: Push enemies backward

What many people don't realize is that the Combuster charge also has very good crowd control abilities. Wouldn't you rather have a dead enemy than an enemy frozen in front of you? Wouldn't you rather have enemies far away from you than an enemy frozen in front of you?

That is why so many people choose Combuster: It kills quickly, and it keeps you safer.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 18:40
#20
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
..

Shock does more than you think. The spasm cancels mecha knight charge attack. It does area damage that may exceed combuster's fire if you put lots of enemies close to each other.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 18:42
#21
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato
Yes, but that's quite aggravating.

Picture this. You're clearing a path through a crowd of monsters. Some moron unleashes a VT blast right in the crowd. All of a sudden, half the monsters don't get knocked back, and all of a sudden the crowd will be scattered all around you and immobile due to shock. It's spread, and it barely does any damage whatsoever. Nothing like a Combuster.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 19:16
#22
Bopp's picture
Bopp
yep

Yep, that's why Combuster is better. Dead enemies are better than frozen enemies. Predictable knockback is better than unpredictable knockback. But Glacius is fine too, and the original poster will have a good time.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 19:20
#23
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
...

Indeed, I see nothing to debate.

Hmm, getting monster stuck is not necessarily a bad thing since you can continue like charge attack -> first swing -> final swing. But it still takes some damage bonus to knock - cancel attack charge of most monsters. That combo is still comparable (may or may not exceed) to full 5 blast explosions.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 20:32
#24
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato
Except...

That combo you described does quite some damage...to one or two enemies.

Meanwhile, Combuster laughs mockingly as it decimates nine zombies with its pal, the Shield Bumper.

Wed, 11/27/2013 - 21:27
#25
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
...

funny how you still want to prove your points. Haven't I said vortex at the very first post?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 07:23
#26
Plancker's picture
Plancker
tl;dr voltedge

Combuster is the most damage because they ride the full wave of explosions, but I use voltedge because you can charge all the slags together in one big pile (instead of throwing them around with combuster) and finish them off with another charge, which is useful when you are in a 4 man team in a split-up situation like on d25 fsc for example. So i'll say get voltedge, but you shouldnt really worry too much about it, since theyre both very good at killing stuff. Glacius on the other hand I dont like at all, because it freezes them in place so it is harder to line them up for a charge attack that takes them all out at once.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:57
#27
Firenshadow
Combuster all de way.

Like tehepicwin-forum, my comment would be useless, but im going to say it anyway. Combustor does have a little reckless attack style, but it has a high chance of setting mobs on fire. I thought about the whole "surrounding" conversation, and I agree. A group of mobs far away would be better than a frozen group. But, what if the mob rushes you? You have to put into consideration that it could set enemies on fire. I currently have a Blazebrand, and it is working VERY well for me. Mobs just stop in their tracks and die. I recommend the combuster, even though youve already made your decision. I hope i was of help for fellow knights.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:25
#28
Alphacommando's picture
Alphacommando
Combuster: High

Combuster: High damage.
Glacius: Nice for support in parties and immobilizing difficult enemies.
Voltedge: Difficult to acquire and Shock is pretty useless outside of LD anyway...

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 13:51
#29
Rezzler's picture
Rezzler
First time I saw bopp got

First time I saw bopp got mildly annoyed. I guess dumb people are bopp's achilles heel, eh?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 10:40
#30
Cooliodude
Decision of Brandishes

Yeah, I know this is quite late...But here's how things work out with the brandishes: Voltedge can shock enemies which is useful, good for Firestorm Citadel or place that have ice or fire. Combuster uses the fire type wave, which can be helpful. In FSC this can actually still damage enemies, and give knock back on them, but just doesn't set on fire. The Glacius uses freeze, which immobilizes enemies, which is the best choice if you're one of those people who run FSC a lot, since it can also freeze Lord Vanaduke if u manage it. Also, one thing people underestimate is the thaw damage... This does a quite significant amount of damage if u wait for it, a tactic I'd use (I'm a gunner, but used to be a pro swordsman, trust me) is to charge up my Glacius, send a wave, freeze the monster, charge up again, after the thaw damage goes off, do it again. Also you could try just freezing them, then attacking after the thaw damage, works out quite nicely. You made a good decision choosing the Glacius, can be applied in many places and can be helpful. (Glacius is what I prefer you to get).

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 10:54
#31
Yvanblo's picture
Yvanblo
lol

Good times... eh?

I know the OP made his choice, but for anyone still wondering: buy the Combuster. it works very well in FSC. Yes, it will light oilers on fire, but it's so powerful that they can't heal fast enough to stay alive for much more than a charge attack + a normal swing or two.

If you want to shock stuff, bring your polaris. If you don't want to annoy team-mates, shoot baddies from close range. When an enemy is shocked, charge your Combuster and kill kill kill.

When in doubt: buy one of each Brandish.

Tue, 12/03/2013 - 18:12
#32
Arkate's picture
Arkate
Get an Acheron.

Or you're doing something wrong. It does MORE damage to undead than the CIV.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:56
#33
Epicskunk's picture
Epicskunk
@Arkate

That is %110 chance fake,and troll.

Also,that sword would do NOTHING at FSC.

1- Most of the enemies here take VERY LOW damage.
2- There are only max 10-15 slimes.
3- Vanaduke takes no damage from the sword,at Phase 5.
4- The purple mist that comes from the blade makes me gassy. >///<
5- Dunno why,but I walk slower while holding Nightblade.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 17:50
#34
Epicskunk's picture
Epicskunk
@Cooliodude

You are right : as a survivalist,I like to SURVİVE,not go nuts and try to damage every single enemy with a Combuster.

Voltedge is better,if you think you can afford it,of course.

So,I will use Glacius,then I will try to get Voltedge.

Tue, 12/24/2013 - 11:31
#35
Geotoast's picture
Geotoast
Levi blade?

How bout levi blade? if u want a calibur sword.... i said if u want a calibur word and i didt say CIV

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 10:51
#36
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato
How about no?

Levi Blade is a lot worse than the Brandish Line in most situations, and the FoV is generally regarded superior.

That is %110 chance fake,and troll.

Actually, the Acheron DOES do more damage than the CIV against Undead.

Well, Voltedge isn't good for my playstyle, as you don't know if the monsters are actually knocked back or not and get to bite your face off, which can be annoying if you're cornered.

Glacius is meh for me. Better than Voltedge, but the thaw damage simply can't match the Combuster wave riding damage.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:19
#37
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville
Acheron does more than CIV.

Coming from someone who has a Voltedge and an Acheron, and after being told by many people that Combuster has the same crowd control as Acheron, I really regret making my Voltedge over Combuster. As is, I'll be working on a Combuster soon.

Now, while I love my Voltedge to death, it's my baby and all, I still have to be careful when I use it as if I'm too close to something and it gets shocked, I'll take a swipe to the face, which is never very fun. Glacius makes this a 100% chance. Voltedge, in the end, is safer than Glacius in certain situations, and has more damage than Glacius. You really have no reason to make it (Glacius).

Tip: make Combuster.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 15:04
#38
Cobalt-Teddy's picture
Cobalt-Teddy
I choose Glacius!

I have the Glacius and it is AMAZING. So I think you should do that....

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 15:48
#39
Bopp's picture
Bopp
been through it

I also have Glacius, and it's great. You should get Combuster, because it's even better than Glacius.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 15:54
#40
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato
 

This thread again? Short time, no see.

Like Bopp and many people have already said, Combuster is simply the best in damage output. If you prefer something else's style, then get it. But the fact remains that Combuster can achieve the highest DPS and knockback; the five explosions simply outdamages thaw and shock, though the utility of the latter two statuses is also questionable for some veteran swordsmen.

Sat, 01/11/2014 - 09:27
#41
Geotoast's picture
Geotoast
All of dem!

get all of dem or 2

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 19:55
#42
Your-Buns
Voltedge all the fking wall

Shock is like the most OP uv in fact it does do knockback but think about it this way - a zombie about to swing, and, zmlajdj his attack is canceled it happens all the time so go for voltedge

And ofc unless u already chose glacius which is really dumb because u ask for advice and everyone recommends combuster and then u said u want glacius even tho no one or maybe a single person advised that -.-

And finally wooow this thread is quite big

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 20:18
#43
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

Shock is like the most OP

Wut.

a zombie about to swing, and, zmlajdj his attack is canceled

And he can't be knocked back which is annoying.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:12
#44
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville

"Shock is like the most OP"

Only in Lockdown.

"but think about it this way - a zombie about to swing, and, zmlajdj his attack is canceled it happens all the time so go for voltedge"

/giggle
That's not how it works.
You should never rely on Shock damage to save you from an enemy attack. The only reason Voltedge is better than Glacius is because it has A LOT more damage-output potential, while still keeping you relatively safe.

"And ofc unless u already chose glacius which is really dumb because u ask for advice and everyone recommends combuster and then u said u want glacius even tho no one or maybe a single person advised that -.-"

It's their own decision what they choose. This is one of those times where you should just sit back and say "Great choice, [insert weapon name] is a great weapon. Don't ask me to revive you when you die." I'd actually advise Voltedge, as it's easier to use more safely than Combuster, and it allows you to constantly use charge attacks due to the stalls Shock damage causes. However, Combuster is significantly better if you actually know what you're doing. Most people DO NOT have a clue what they're doing when they're first coming to Firestorm Citadel, so a Voltedge is generally a better choice for a smooth transition. Then again, having a Combuster early on could make you not rely on Status damages as much as the average Voltedge/Glacius user would.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:58
#45
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

as it's easier to use more safely than Combuster

Wat no. Get out of here.

I hate Shock on anything. Including enemies. You have no idea whether or not your next strike will knock them back, which is a feeling I loathe. There's not even a warning sign; at least with difficult enemies like Gorgos you can predict what they'll do next.

Combuster is the best now go away Dibs.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:03
#46
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville
"Combuster is the best now go

"Combuster is the best now go away Dibs."

"However, Combuster is significantly better"

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:09
#47
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

I had an issue with your safer thing. Combuster is superior in all aspects, including personal safety for me and probably no small amount of other individuals.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:13
#48
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville

It depends on player-skill and play-style. Lag is also a factor... If you have a good enough connection that you can get in something's face and blast it with a charge without having to worry about getting hit, then one weapon will obviously be better than another.

For example, if you're constantly at 1 bar, Glacius might actually have some use over Combuster/Voltedge... ex, you could hit them from far away with a charge and do like 200 damage, then just kite them to death...

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:22
#49
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

For example, if you're constantly at 1 bar, Glacius might actually have some use over Combuster/Voltedge... ex, you could hit them from far away with a charge and do like 200 damage, then just kite them to death...

And then the zombies everywhere stuck in place around you use breath attack and wow you're dead.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:22
#50
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

For example, if you're constantly at 1 bar, Glacius might actually have some use over Combuster/Voltedge... ex, you could hit them from far away with a charge and do like 200 damage, then just kite them to death...

And then the zombies everywhere stuck in place around you use breath attack and wow you're dead.

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