Spiral Knights - Why all the hate towards OOO?

Why all the hate towards OOO?

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Tue, 12/10/2013 - 15:38

Xtweeterx

I understand you all are deprived of content and radiants, but is it really necessary to keep hounding OOO like this? I'm pretty sure they got the message alre- "But they don't reply to anything we say!" Reading everything =/= replying. Only if it's something that good would you get a GM reply. Like that one time I made a thread about me dreaming of the new missions that Atalanta replied on, or a thread about my thoughts of the new Candlestick Keep music that Harry posted on.

"But every new content is nothing but reskins!" So freaking what?! Do you count the Obsidian weapons as reskins? Sure, one of them's a brandish, another a Sentenza, and the other is a Graviton Vortex, but the thing that makes then distinct is the chances for poison, their tentacle-y charge attacks (I know some of you like that VERY much. Please keep it to yourself if you still have a soul), and the amount of effort to you have to put in to get such things.

This also applies to costumes. I know the hunter, surge, hallow, and frosty stuff are all existing stuff, but why is it so hard for you to look at them as another way to look smexy? I don't blame your choice of fashion at all.

"The holiday events are all the same!" Again, so freaking what? At least it's better than NOT having holiday events. Maybe this year's Winterfest will have something different of its own. Like Black Kats or a different Apocrea.

"There's so little radiant crystals it's not even funny!" SUPPLY DEPOT AND UFSC JELLY[redacted]! DO YOU DO IT!?

"You make too many pointless threads. Please die" Why would y- Wait what?

"Everything is a grindfest! Grinding =/= challenge or work" Let me tell you something. Back in my day when I was a 3* knight LOOOOONG when we had the old UI, I went to the Jelly Palace and Ironclaw factory countless times to make 4* and 5* things. It was a gindfest, yes. But what kept me motivated was the number of magnificent things I could do and places I could explore when I was on my way to Vanguard, and the new features they might add in the future.

If you need another example, take your average man on Earth. He has the same job, working in his office (or what ever occupation he has), and he goes through hell and high waters of the same thing to get that new 60"inch plasma TV for his house, or to afford a mansion for his fiance.

Before you got to sleep tonight, why not take the time to imagine yourself in their shoes. Working in their office, listening to your fans' and well contributors' hatred and riots on the forums. Now imagine yourself as a famous developer/creator. How would YOU feel if your fans kept swarming you all day asking for something new?

Are your sarcastic remarks really worth taking the extra 10-120 seconds if your busy schedule?

Grimranger: Oh look, the exact same event!

This

I'm well aware I could be missing a few things, but I think this pretty much sums up the general hostility towards your role-model (OOO).

You've every right to complain and be mad, but there's no need in any universe to start making blasphemy comments to them with every fiber in your well being saying that you need it. It's like when you were 16 and your father promised he would get you that new Camero he promised for Christmas (or what ever your favorite vehicle is), and it's still only half way into November and you're bothering him every day for it.

Why is it so hard for you guys to wait things out patiently or pass the time somehow? Don't have you have better things to d- *obligatory person quotting that in em tags and quotes* "Don't you have something to do than make worthless thr-" /shout QUIET!

I play the game in my free time. I still have a CRAP TON of sets to make for various things. Yes it's nostalgic to go to the Jelly Palace and Ironclaw Factory for Elite orbs, but like I said, the motivation is what I'll be able to do with them and how they'll be useful in the future. If I see something wrong, I'd make the thread about it literally once and that's it. Just continue playing the game. Like I said in another thread, you don't see me making threads about the most microscopic things about the game, now do you?

I know you're still mad, but good god give them some space. No one likes working under pressure.

The guys (and girls) at OOO HQ have to scrape up every last penny they can in order to keep us satisfied while making things that we are willing to spend our own hard-earned cash on in order to keep them going. Never considered that now did you? Or did you even consider ANYTHING listed here?

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 15:48

King-Of-Echoes

/sigh

Another thread goes up about hating OOO, we all get the idea from countless other threads.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:07

Skepticraven

@Xtweeterx

Writing more and more sure makes you feel good.
I guess I should mention that I stopped reading your posts.
Ever since I posted a comment about misplaced/ranty your threads were 2 days ago... and 4 threads ago. Guess you couldn't be below 1 thread per day average. Not to mention 2 of them were walls of text I didn't read.

Anyway back on topic.
I don't notice any hate towards OOO. I notice quite a few impatient threads. Things like radiants... Maybe we should re-read the arcade redux phase 1 patch notes. Reread the third sentence. I'm not happy that we've remained at the status quo for about 2 months, but something is going to change. (I'm more lookin forward to the arcade redux p2 and p3 than the gunner update).

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:18

Xtweeterx

@Skepticraven

Then what threads WOULD you read? More complaints about radiants and how SK is going down? Gear imbalance (I still laugh in anyone believing in that)? New guys asking questions (Though that's actually not a bad idea)? Or something different for once?

Not advertising my threads or anything. Just saying.

And yes, I do remember them well. I stopped now. Those were back when I was in my crazy-state after the Generaldiscussionacolypse of November 2013 from Annilaton and Sirius >.>

While that is a valid point and I'm still waiting for the next parts of the arcade redux, my worry is still everyone here on the forums.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:15

Aplauses

Omg TLDR

But I somewhat agree with you, I hate sarcastic remarks.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:18

Renzey

Fluff

I believe it's because Three Rings is REALLY quiet about just about everything. There's no conversation between community and developers anymore. Without knowing their intentions or plans or hopes or whatnot, we're just left to speculation and assumption. That seldom ends well.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:20

Xtweeterx

@Renzey

Not to mention surprises are fun. Hence why they're not specific about release dates?

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:31

Fehzor

You do realize that OOO is shooting their game in the foot with the whole radiants thing, right?

Is it really necessary to bother them to change things? Is it really necessary to express this fact to them? Is it really necessary to care about the game?

Or do you want me to just sit here with a stupid look on my face saying- "Gee, isn't it great that my favorite game is being put in the rubbish bin, that the developers can't even generate new content on a regular basis, that bugs and game balance are ignored on a regular basis?" Or play dumb like I don't know whats going on?

These aren't microscopic things, and I haven't complained about the developers taking far too long for things. I'm fine with them taking their time on their work, but I'm not fine with them leaving their game in a state of disarray with the entire player-base confused as to whats going on. If they're such a small development team, they shouldn't expect to make much on their game without hiring people and producing content.

On another note, that same man going through his boring job to get a TV? He might go home to it, tired and depressed each day. Is that what he wants? He should have been looking for a new condo. He should have been hanging with his insurance company. He should have been upset about his nice, neat, flaming little television set. But he isn't?

Is that what you want us to do when we're relaxing? Work jobs we hate so we can buy things you don't need? Is that what you want all of us to do?

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:33

Canine-Vladmir

Dude.

Nobody hates nobody.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:36

Holy-Crab

The problem is not what is to

The problem is not what is to come, the problem is they're silent about issues that are seriously handicapping players. You can't just ignore massive dissatisfaction and irritation so many times, this is not the first time they remain silent hoping things will settle down magically. I will never understand the lack of communication from Three Rings. Maybe they just don't care if the game gets its playerbase halved again, only this time they won't be able to remove mist energy to get them back like they did last time.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:44

#10

Xtweeterx

@Fehzor

"You do realize that OOO is shooting their game in the foot with the whole radiants thing, right?"

Yes, hence why I didn't go into that much specific detail because the threads (and shinings) are every-freaking where.

"Is it really necessary to bother them to change things? Is it really necessary to express this fact to them? Is it really necessary to care about the game? "

If you recall in another thread, making complaints is okay as long as there is not 1,000,000+ of them out there. I'm sure they're well aware about this, but I can't say for sure. But again, just outright gangbanging them with it every day is not good.

"Or play dumb like I don't know whats going on?"

I just don't think too much of it. I still have a lot of sets to make. I just leave their 5* forms at lvl 1 until radiants get fixed.

"These aren't microscopic things,"

I never said they were. But that was primarily referring to Zeddy's complaint of how SK is doomed. But that's another story.

"and I haven't complained about the developers taking far too long for things. I'm fine with them taking their time on their work,"

Me too, sistah! High 5!... No? Okay...

"but I'm not fine with them leaving their game in a state of disarray with the entire player-base confused as to whats going on."

Hence why I said I refuse to forge 5* things.

" If they're such a small development team, they shouldn't expect to make much on their game without hiring people and producing content. " I... guess that's true.

"On another note, that same man going through his boring job to get a TV? He might go home to it, tired and depressed each day. Is that what he wants? He should have been looking for a new condo. He should have been hanging with his insurance company. He should have been upset about his nice, neat, flaming little television set. But he isn't?"

I... MIGHT have overshot making that one. Okay. I admit it. I didn't think it through, okay?

"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live."

Agreed.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:49

#11

Pvscifer

my best guess would be a lot

my best guess would be a lot of little things that accumulate into one big thing.
like, for instance, the fact that it costs $10 of real cash to make a 5* imaginary item tradeable.
little stuff like that piling up. tiny nicks and cuts that eventually bleed out a person.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:53

#12

Fehzor

Complaints.

Maybe it just takes 1,000,000+ of them out there to get the point across. Maybe if we stop making complaints, we'll forget and move on and we'll come to accept the fact that OOO has trippled the prices on us? Maybe they aren't going to change the game to make it easier for players to get new gear. Maybe the game is doomed like Zeddy said? Maybe we shouldn't forget that?

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:55

#13

Skayeth

Mmh

The GMs read the forums even though they can't respond to them. At LEAST that thought is pleasing. They know we need the help.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 16:58

#14

Xtweeterx

@Fehzor

Look. I'll just read 1-3 complaints about the same thing. I just wanna play the game so I can kill time. I'll leave complaints to complainers. Don't tell me how to do my job, and I won't tell you how to do yours. Sound fair? And If I do see another thread about the same thing, I'll post my obligatory "This again?" link and get on with my day. And because one says something is "Doomed" will not mean that it's true. It might be in the future, but we just won't know until it happens. I don't care who's right or wrong, I just want to have fun.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 17:01

#15

Fehzor

Reading the forums isn't enough- they need to respond to us, and tell us whats happening with the whole thing. They need to be honest, and they need to address some of these issues in a way that doesn't revolve around obliterating our threads. Then I'll be happy.

They don't need to do these things for every. little. issue, but they do need to tell us whats up with the big stuff.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 17:18

#16

Pvscifer

why?
that's like asking your girlfriend how long she's been cheating on you after you found her in bed with some other guy.
they do not need to tell us what is blatantly obvious.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 17:53

#17

Hexzyle

Ugh, dude, stop trying to defend Three Rings. It's been done countless times, and quite honestly, people who try to negotiate with complainers are just as bad and use generic, unfounded points as the complainers themselves.

Complainers are annoying. But when you provoke them, they reply and fill the forums with even more complaining.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 18:03

#18

Pvscifer

I hope that wasn't directed

I hope that wasn't directed at me.
im in no way defending the filthy tactics used by the (the use of bigoted stereotypes is not acceptable in-game or on the forums) to squeeze every last penny out of the kids who play this game.
all im saying is theres no point in telling us what we already know.

edit: nevermind.
as soon as you make a way to buy stuff in-game it ceases to be a game and just becomes another way to make money. I would love to see an mmo with absolutely no way to buy stuff.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 18:04

#19

Sirius-Voltbreaker

I agree.

It isn't OOO. Sega is greedy for money and doesn't even pay them. This is why they can't do anything about things. However before you point at Grimranger for being sarcastic, I am far worse.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 18:12

#20

Hexzyle

No, my previous comment was directed at the OP.

as soon as you make a way to buy stuff in-game it ceases to be a game and just becomes another way to make money

Holy crap this sentence is priceless. What do you think is the entire reason people create anything nowadays? World peace? Fer teh luls? Because they feel like it and can't think of any better use of their time? Are shops no longer buildings and Steam is no longer a program because they both allow you to buy things in them?

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 18:11

#21

Pvscifer

yeah, it really is sega. but its OOO fault for partnering with them. granted, I realize that they probably needed the money from them, but they knew what was going to happen before they ever put pen to paper and sold their souls.
both parties are at fault, hell, we're at fault for buying into it all.
no single person or entity is to blame.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 19:11

#22

Curious-Mewkat

Here's the deal, Sega takes Spiral Knights franchise, Sega pays OOO fixed rates, Sega takes the rest of the money from the consumers.

The thing is Sega helps OOO deal with the publishing (paper works, patents, advertising, servers... etc.) Heck this is the deal with all the publishers out there, say whatever you hear about the video game industry earning $1 billion in 3 days, but nonetheless you don't hear it go back to the developers itself. Whatever went to the developers is called the budget, and heck, gta5 had like only a $300 million budget.

Publishers are evil, yeah yeah yeah... it's just the way the market is.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 19:12

#23

Bluebladez

tl;dr because it's tweeter
how many threads do you make per day? 19?

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 19:34

#24

Fehzor

Yes Hexzyle, money is the end all be all. We get it. OOO needs to eat, and this gives them the right to consume all of our dreams and destroy us.

But wouldn't you rather individualism take its place? Focusing your resources on the betterment of yourself and others? If anything, that is the reason for everything. Money is simply a means of achieving something greater- it may not be perfect, but its the best thing we've found so far, despite our ceaseless bickering and relative lack of research in the matter.

It feels wrong to laugh at his innocence for wanting more, when you yourself endorse never achieving anything greater. Now what was it about "complainers are annoying" and not provoking them?

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 19:24

#25

Sirius-Voltbreaker

Wow.

Fezhor, you don't realize it, but you are turning into the old me. The old me, who complained about the game nonstop, the old me who hides insults in the words of his writing. You don't know it, but you are.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 19:36

#26

Fehzor

I didn't mean to insult anyone- I'm just trying to make my points and discuss why many have taken a critical attitude towards OOO.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 20:10

#27

Hexzyle

Yes Hexzyle, money is the end all be all. We get it. OOO needs to eat, and this gives them the right to consume all of our dreams and destroy us.

Not just Three Rings, but everything. Everything costs money. Getting into your car and going to a park costs fuel money. Turning on your computer consumes electricity money. Eating costs food money.
We are humans, we absorb material from the world, and we must pay for every day of our life in gold.

Entertainment and Games are no exception.

That's why the best things in life are free: The best things in life aren't things: They're attitudes. Love, optimism, creativity. Things that no-one can take from us.

EDIT: Actually, as Fehzor pointed out, just forget I said creativity (since that's something that's used as a fundamental for marketing)

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 19:52

#28

Fehzor

So you're saying that we should forgo any sort of higher purpose in art (which should include games etc.) for the sake of money... but also that free things like creativity are more important than money? o_O?

Optimism always feels wrong to me somehow..

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 19:57

#29

Curious-Mewkat

---------ROADBLOCK-----------

Discussion of monetary value in gaming has been ceased. It's gonna get ugly, so let's just stop :P

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 20:13

#30

Fehzor

Why? I think its a good time.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 20:49

#31

Draycos

Let's just take a minute, one minute.

I want to show you guys something beautiful.

This, and this.

Do you see how much more responsive Warframe's devs are? They could have been totally silent, not answering any questions. But they did.

But one thing you have to remember is that SK's devs have at least somewhat stepped up their game; they've started their own 'Developer Workshop' in the form of the 'What's In Development' topics. I think it was about a year ago they started doing this.

Knowing this, would it really be that hard to just take one more step up and do even better? The reasoning for the radiants, even though it's been discussed to death and people already know it's part of the Arcade Redux that's been put in too soon. Their thoughts about weapon balance and Sprite balance and every other part of balance. What exactly they want to see done with the existing content.

And above all else, they need to use the community's feedback. When Shard Bombs got mutilated, there was no change in the test server after people exploded about it, and it took a massive community response with several support letters sent to get a decent response, and then after everyone explained why the devs made a bad, selectively punishing choice, all we got was "we're listening". None of the problems with Shards were fixed, and the old Shard Bombs were still left out of the game.

And then there's the completely random Brandish buff; everyone's been saying "it's too strong" since that patch hit. I know the reasoning behind it; people wanted the charge to be more consistent as opposed to randomized, but doing that and giving it even more power was not the way to do it. Brandishes have stayed this way since. Acheron got buffed while split-damage is still broken. Et cetera.

If they'd just discuss their changes before they make them and react to the community in the process, everyone would be so much happier.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 21:04

#32

Hexzyle

@Draycos

And once again, for the 52nd thousandth time, the community's discussion on Three Ring's actions has come full circle.
Can we just take the next off the roundabout already? I'm sick of seeing these same five roadsigns that people use as the fundamental argument points for their posts.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 21:14

#33

Draycos

I use this kind of response every single time I post on a thread like this. I use the same information with the same reasoning with the same intent every single time because I strongly believe I'm right, every single time. I felt obligated to do it again today because this thread was getting a lot of posts.

Obviously all of the "regulars" have seen the same argument I'm using from the same people over and over, but the creators of threads like this one (in this case, Tweeter) haven't.

Which is why I posted, even though I knew it was something most everyone had heard already.

I'm also bored.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 21:30

#34

Glowupball

What is love?

If OOO's really wanted to make money, then can always introduce an 18kce weapon that is completely OP, better than acheron, better than hammer. And then proceed to introduce things that are better than that and so on. You'll all realize what is happening, but will keep on buying. SK may not be the biggest game, but do u know how many people will pay just to be on top? To be the best even if it is only cause of an unfair advantage? A lot of people. Don't get me started on how much people spend on useless costumes where some don't even look better than cheap gear. Why are reskins acceptable? Because people will buy them and go out of their way to get them either way. The price gives the items their worth and for some reason, people still take pride in them even though all they did was pull out the real money.

I partially blame the community for this. But yeah sometimes the makers put their efforts in the wrong place, which is bad cause then we know they have the effort available to solve the more important problems.

Hacked aura 15kce? bah how about two auras mixed together, 25kce >:D
Different color eyes (heterochromia) 10kce >:D
You want a candy cane sword? 2kce >:D cough it up.

Yes these will sell, even though they are dumb. (but man that heterochromia :F I want)

P.S. Love is not free. Idk why people say that. People nowadays are so untrusting and for good reason too considering all the greed. Gotta take down all those trust barriers, your own too, which is a huge emotional risk. Now it is true that despite the time and money put in, GFs err.... i mean love really does come out all around positive, but for those who have searched long and hard for it and have come out empty handed, love is a treacherous investment. Also people often think they are in love, but they have to ignore the physical hormones to see if there is truly love and not just raw temporary passion.

......Where am I? A gaming forum? How long have i been here?......what........

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 21:34

#35

Skayeth

gah

This is all because of Lockdown. All I know is that Twenty One and Jempire members will keep on buying until they are bankrupt.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 21:51

#36

Mushy-Bucket

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Do not group 21 and the Jemps with regular LD players. Ewww....

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 21:51

#37

Draycos

Nobody should take "high-level" competitive Lockdown seriously. I'm pretty certain people modify their files and use certain types of mice to 'cheat'.

There's a reason people thought Auto-Target locked on to cloaked enemies, and it isn't luck or Auto-Target that causes people to hit what they can't see.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 22:07

#38

Hexzyle

@Draycos

I'm not saying you're wrong, nor am I blaming you for commenting on a thread.
I believe it's the thread creator who is at fault, for once again creating the hundredth thread on a topic on which they could have simply posted in a preexisting thread. The logic seems to be that they believe their comment is so more important than everyone else's that it deserves to be on its own thread where people will have to read it because it's the OP.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 22:12

#39

Mushy-Bucket

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Of course the OP had to make a new thread for something, it's Tweeter..... His 4-5 threads in 2 days deal....
Anyway, Hex is right.

Tue, 12/10/2013 - 22:22

#40

Draycos

Second 'serious' thread this week where I've misinterpreted something... I don't like this new record.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 00:19

#41

Wodanct

I can't believe I actually signed in to say this but think of it like this. The vets of this SK era seem to be getting sick and tired of the same things us vets of the old SK era did.

... Oh boy PSO2 maintenance over cya guys.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 00:32

#42

Pandafishie

For all of these sort of posts...

This is all I have to say...I can't even.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 02:33

#43

Xtweeterx

@Hexzyle

What the... I just... Wow... I can't... I'm speechless. How is it possible to even think that of me?

If I were to go 50+ pages back, I don't think I'd EVER see a thread just like this one. That, and I think necroing is wrong, and it might not be about what we're currently dealing with (maybe some of it).

Also, once again,f or the hundredth time, if I thought my opinions and threads were superior to everyone else's combined, you would be seeing more threads than I already have, and I would be trying with every sub-atomic particle in my body to get it through their heads as if it was truth. I mean, think about it...

Now, I'm not saying this exact thread is truth, I'm just hoping everyone will see the negative criticisms towards OOO which is backed up by some evidence. But as of course, I could be wrong.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 03:45

#44

Drischa

@Tweeter

What the... I just... Wow... I can't... I'm speechless. How is it possible to even think that of me?

Y'know, maybe you should take the fact that people are saying that stuff about you take it as a cue to actually stop doing what's causing it. You're doing the same thing that OOO is doing, I think.

Listening but not doing.

I like OOO for creating a game that I love but I don't like that they seem to not be listening to the people that they made the game for. All of us.

Cough BalanceIronslugWinmillionBlitzAcheronMercurialChaosRadiants cough.

Let's hope there are a ton of stealth patches addressing several little issues in the next update. And maybe some big ones too.

[EDIT]
Just read another post, reminded me that the forums are not everywhere. We need to get the opinions of everyone we can in-game, not just the opinions of we silly people on the forums. Yes, we are silly. just look at this place.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 05:17

#45

Mushy-Bucket

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@Tweeter
If I were to go 50+ pages back, I don't think I'd EVER see a thread just like this one. That, and I think necroing is wrong, and it might not be about what we're currently dealing with (maybe some of it).
Actually, people talk about this all the time. Your threads aren't the best threads on the forum, but you seem to think they are. People may not discuss this topic much here, but I tell ya, the conversations between old vets and in guilds are rife with the subject.

@Drachronos
Listening but not doing.
That sums up the game's problem in one sentence. Well said.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 06:44

#46

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

@ Xtweeter You are butthurt, we know it, stop spamming useless Thread about how bad you think OOO is

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/94178
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/94034

And that's just a 1 minute research on the first and second page of OOO GD section

Get over it. Move on, play another game like everybody else did and stop being a whiny little kid

Yes the game has some flaw (like most game), yes this game made risky choice, yes a lot of the playerbase left, but they are slowly coming back through multiple event/content added.

The game is good, you think it's bad. I think it's an awesome game that is going nowhere since the mist update.

OOO dev actually gave us info about what they PLAN on doing. Like we asked months ago, and now people are annoying the crap out of them because they shared info about planned update that are super hard and super long to put in.

And to anyone saying it's easy, go make your game. Notch did it, so can you.

Edit: After playing Path of Exile and reading the forum, can tell that OOO are really lazy. What Path of Exile put up as content vs what OOO do is amazing. They poured 3 new skills and balanced 5 other skill in a matter of 2-3 weeks. Made new unique items, bugfixes, new maps and so on...

OOO used to talk to the community, I remember Hyperion and Atalanta/Aphrodite talking to us at first and now only Hyperion comes to make a silly joke or Atalanta saying to everyone to calm down and slap a copy/pasted wall of rules.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 06:52

#47

Draycos

I hate the "if it's so easy why don't you do it" argument. You don't have to be a chef to know you shouldn't mix hot sauce and chocolate.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 06:55

#48

Thunder-The-Bright

gods ain't gonna help you, son.

I stopped at "Only if it's something that good would you get a GM reply." regardless of the two threads (oh, 2 threads of yours) you have cited, I could cite a couple that are great and that haven't a GM response, like, idk, lug's thread, or fehzor's one on the core/survival mode that was well thought out. GMs don't reply at good threads, GMs reply if their response isn't binding to anything in game. if they say something they like or dislike about the game, well, it's OOO staff, so it's OOO speaking. see the radiant complain tickets responses: "we adjusted the drop rates", in summary; but they are gamers too, what do you think THEY think?
I actually skimmed over your responses on problems btw. I'll respond cause I have time for it.

"But every new content is nothing but reskins!" So freaking what?! Do you count the Obsidian weapons as reskins?

ok, you say no, I say not technically, and that Nick could express himself better.
yes, the chance of poison and graphics separates them from other weapons... but that's the only thing that does. they are not reskins, but we are so close to that that those complaining are actually right in saying there's no variety between what we had before and what we have now.

"The holiday events are all the same!" Again, so freaking what? At least it's better than NOT having holiday events.

I was going to facepalm but I remembered I'm serious. listen, holidays are in every MMO. every single one of them. tell me an MMO that doesn't have holidays, no matter what they are, and I will show you the thousands that have. you could have said that even in other games holiday events are not so varied, it would have made a lot more sense.

"There's so little radiant crystals it's not even funny!" SUPPLY DEPOT AND UFSC JELLY[redacted]! DO YOU DO IT!?

no I don't, cause I want to do all the others first. and besides, there are some that can't; specifically, the 4*s. yes, they have to craft armors and weapons that are actually downgraded cause they can't be heated. and they are 4*s, you can't expect them to jump into a SL straight away.

"Everything is a grindfest! Grinding =/= challenge or work" [...] It was a gindfest, yes. But what kept me motivated was the number of magnificent things I could do and places I could explore when I was on my way to Vanguard, and the new features they might add in the future.

you are contradicting yourself, you know? you can't say it's a grindfest and then say there are a lot of places you could go. if it's grinding, it's grinding.
you could say that arcade exists. you could say that OOO is working on the gunner update. again, you would have made more sense.

a thing you should be aware of:

I'm well aware I could be missing a few things, but I think this pretty much sums up the general hostility towards your role-model (OOO).

1 in speeches, you don't change your public like that.
2 you shouldn't talk so casually to OOO. OOO is a design company, by using "you" you are putting yourself at their level. you aren't. not even close.

erm, you think you are the first one to say this, or one of the few?
listen, we all forumers that hang out here for some time have said "could you just wait a little so we see what's happening?" or an equal to this sentence. it doesn't work, for a simple reason: you can't talk to the future. you can't talk to the rager that has just created a forum account before he posts his/hers rage thread. just like you can't talk to the newbs that come here making strange, useless and game breaking suggestions. they will just ignore/won't see your thread and start raging. summarizing what I've said in your words:

If I see something wrong, I'd make the thread about it literally once and that's it.

but this is for every single rager in town. they are a lot.

Never considered that now did you? Or did you even consider ANYTHING listed here?

never say that. not in the internet, not in life, nor anywhere else. of course we thought about it. of course we have our opinion. that doean't entitle us to make a thread to explain our position. you know our position from threads we discuss upon, not the ones we make.
now quit doing threads. no, really, you have made too many threads. I have never seen this mess in the forums, and I'm here from a while ago.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 07:16

#49

Iamnoone

You buy radiants will real cash.

This entire thing with the radiants is ENTIRELY the fault of the users and the big mouths on the forum. You came out here yelling, insulting and attacking to get mist removed. You attacked OOO's to get it. You attacked your fellow gamers to get it. You got it. It's what you asked for. You wanted mist removed so you could play for free. Go play. Stop complaining now that you got what you wanted. Play/grind all you want for free. But now you have to pay to finish your game. And yes at a rate of 4 times higher because OOO's isn't stupid and knew this act would push out half of the player base and all of those who were paying for the site in the past. Think before you demand things and act inappropriate to get them next time. You may get what you ask for.

Xtweeterx, you have gone way too far. You attack and insult OOO's and their customers. You will troll them down on the forum and push them away. You incite/provoke rule violations from others. You have Jewish people being insulted in this thread. It's time you stop. You, Fehzor, Annilaton, Hexzyle, Draycos, Sirius-Volybreaker and a few others have been allowed to troll, harass, attack and insult far too many away from this forum for far too long. You make OOO's like like buttheads in all too many posts. You are making this forum an ugly place to be. You have pushed me and too many of my friends away.

~Insulting Jews is going way too far.~

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 07:25

#50

Hexzyle

@Xtweeterx

If I were to go 50+ pages back, I don't think I'd EVER see a thread just like this one.

I see complaint threads, OP merely consists of a comment that should have been posted on another thread threads, WHYYOUDOTHISOOO threads and Nerfplox threads all the time. I don't know where you live, but it probably isn't above ground level.
Don't make me embarrass you by TLL'ing.

That, and I think necroing is wrong

Since when did you start showing restraint in regards to forum courtesy?

if I thought my opinions and threads were superior to everyone else's combined, you would be seeing more threads than I already have

Well, it looks like what you think and how you act are two completely different things.

Now, I'm not saying this exact thread is truth

I don't care if this thread is truth or not, it's repetitive information.

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