like the title says what weapon would you like to nerfed (in your own opinion)?
(NOTE:THIS IS PEOPLES OPINIONS NOT SUGGESTIONS )
(note:please leave a reason)
In my opinion I would like to see the T3 hammer form the crimson hammer DLC mission packs nerfed.
because every time Im in a game and soemones equipped it there team always wins yet my team has really good stuff too like gran fausts but that doesn't do a thing
Strikers are pretty much a guaranteed pick in competitive play. They get to deal tons of damage despite building pretty tanky. So we toned down their beefiness and CTR a bit to make up for the imbalance in their kit.
Honestly, I don't think any WEAPONS should be nerfed. Only the striker class should be nerfed.
If the striker class was nerfed there would be far fewer people playing the game.
I hate teemo more than anything.
don't nerf, just remove pls
Polaris. That thing is ridiculous. I was in a game with two Polarises, and a Dark Ret. going. GG internet...
i did click on coliseum but my modem is really rubbish at the minute and it makes my computer really slow at the minute
secondly i didn't say the gran Faust needs to be more powerful than the warmaster hammer. its the warmasters charged attack its three attacks in a row dealing massive damage each hit, killing me in nearly 2 hits and the rest of my team .
and to everyone else thanks for your comments and your opinions
p.s ill make sure this is moved to coliseum
Polaris doesn't need a nerf damagewise, but that knockback is terrible: reduce it by like 70%.
I believe just getting rid of the shock on polaris would be fine. Getting rid of the knockback only could result in some very nasty full HP to death combos... more so then there are already.
I believe just getting rid of the shock on polaris would be fine
But then wouldn't it just be a reskinned Supernova? The shock seriously isn't that bad: Storm Driver does the same thing but with higher accuracy and is more difficult to dodge
Reskinned with elemental damage. There are also alchemer versions of this. (nova driver).
get rid of anything that doesn't go "bang bang bang"
Polaris needs a few changes. Here's what I think should be done:
No not HIS genius, THIS genius. >> "Polaris needs a few changes. Here's what I think should be done:
Expanded bullets should deal status Alchemer damage. They currently deal Nova/Umbra damage.
Unexpanded bullets should thus be nerfed so that expanded ones are stronger. I propose Argent Peacemaker or Valiance damage on these.
Shock should be weakened to Minor strength so that knowing how to use a Storm Driver is actually rewarding as it gives better status infliction.
Shock should not be possible to inflict with unexpanded bullets." Krakob really needs OOO job in order to create order, peace, and balance within SK.
You should be. Now go, little Krakky! Apply for a job on the OOO balance team, and set us free!
I'm sure the goldfish will be glad of the company. It must get so lonely being by himself in that office.
#edit# rollback Archeron please.
Krackernut would just buff the Acheron more and rename it as Krackeron.
Very trustworthy source told me this.
Brandish charges. No weapon should be able to oneshot you.
The current meta is ruined by random noobs doing literally nothing but running around charging a brandish.
Vog knows I hate polaris but I think I hate those people even more.
and yeah, Acheron of course but I think that's a given.
Besides the obvious Brandish and Krackeron problem,
-I like Krakob's Polaris suggestion, although I still would love to see a slightly reduced chance of Shock to happen in the first place.
-Get rid of the invisible charging capability Recons have.
-Reduce Striker health slightly.
-Reduce chance of statuses on Alchemers on the first shot drastically; keep the chance the same or higher on the second shot, with the charge remaining at a 100% chance. Either that or make them easier to dodge.
-Reduce the frequency of flinching from AP/OC/Sentenzas to a small chance.
-Make the CPs larger so it's harder to cover it with Mist Bombs.
AT Brandish Fixes
-Reduce AT range and width (i.e. make using the full range of weapons only feasible without the help of AT)
-Decrease charge attack explosion width, or make the animation bigger (i've been caught countless times thinking i was clear of the charge when I wasn't, simply because the hitbox is larger than the animation makes it seem)
-Delay the charge swing, like the DA or GF charge. Brandish charges are more powerful than DA/GF charges, and also are released as fast as a normal swing. Nerf pl0x.
Polaris
-Reduce clip size to 2 shots per clip like alchemers, preventing the ability to spam
-Reduce size of expanded polaris bullets
- +1 to Krakob's post
Acheron
-Reduce damage to be the same as other brandishes
-Give the charge attack a small chance (smaller than GF) to curse the enemy, but NOT the wielder
@Mushy-Bucket
- Recon can charge while cloaked like you can charge while shielding : you can't. If you're talking about some bug, I haven't heard of no-charge-animation since the previous recon cloak screwup (with the instant invisibility and all).
- Your status experience with Alchemers are completely luck. I've had nights where it would look like every shot shocked, and nights where I said screw it to the lack of status and stuck with Umbra/Nova instead. It's pretty hard to hit good strikers as is, with having to lead those friggin slow bullets. I currently must use valiance in order to deal with good strikers.
- Brandish charge, like bomb charge, is weak to long range weapon spam, or even just an alchemer charge. Them double ricochets.
- Hammer dash, like bomb charge, also lacks invincibility frames and is thus weak to things like alchemer bullets. Them double ricochets.
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Anyway, I actually don't have any real contribution to this thread, since I think everything except for connection can be overcome/countered with enough skill, and that nothing is OP.
@Seiran
"- Brandish charge, like bomb charge, is weak to long range weapon spam, or even just an alchemer charge. Them double ricochets.
- Hammer dash, like bomb charge, also lacks invincibility frames and is thus weak to things like alchemer bullets. Them double ricochets."
This is true, but I think optimal balancing would mean that everything has the ability to counter everything. For example, I don't want to be forced to use a gun in order to counter brandish charges if I don't like using guns. I used the example of a brandish charge since that's what was in your post, even though it's sort of a bad example... brandish charges can be countered most of the time with swords, unless the wielder is using AT, in which case, the charge attack magically targets you from 45 degrees away... but AT is a whole different matter.
Realistically, while Acheron is frustrating, there's nothing functionally wrong with it outside of the damage being disproportionate for a 3-swing sword - it deals more neutral damage to enemies weak vs Flourish lines than the Flourish lines do (yeah not PvP related but it draws a comparison, shut it). Drop the damage a bit so it's a midway between the "status Brandishes" since that seems like the differentiation they were making, and the DA/GF lines and I'm pretty sure it'd be whatever.
The only thing we'd need to do then is re-run the numbers to determine which one's still more efficient for PvP on a numbers basis, and from there let people determine if they want to bring a Heavy sword to have a wide-range, or Brandish lines for those precise swings.
Also once the gunner update comes out, I fully anticipate people to complain about Valiance lines being too OP, so this thread'll be fun in like... a week.
Uh, anyone can declare any weapon OP as long the weapon used is met with enough skill. A nub with a ASI max btb is not called OP weapon. Even a guy with no ASI and no heat can be decalred OP.
At least in PvE my friends joke about how I need to be nerfed. Soon after they laugh then say something along the lines of "pls buff, 000".
Aaaaaaannnd, getting back on topic, this is quickly becoming a PvP rebalance thread. We've had those already. Shoo. We're talking about a weapon nerf, not a game rebalance.
The sad truth is that all the weapons are more or less balanced in my experience, it's the damage boosts that make them in need of a nerf. I can't really think of any time I've thought "Wow, that is an overpowered weapon!" once playing Lockdown, rather "Oh hey, they're wearing damage boosting gear. Go figure."
Okay, maybe the voltedge's charge attack is in need of a nerf. That thing, once unleashed, can instantly kill the target, even with elemental, normal, and shock defense(Can't talk from experience here, I've only ever worn Valkyrie armor into lockdown. If I'm wrong, I apologize).
if this was a suggestion thread I would personally say that I think UVs shouldn't be in LD but its not a suggestion thread
Either one of these:
1. Decrease the status inflict chance of status drivers.
2. Increase the status inflict chance of status flourishes.
Por que no los dos? The two aren't really directly related. Why shouldn't both be changed?
I think status drivers are pretty balanced really. The status flourishes… having a real chance to stun on hit would be pretty OP.
Not really. The chance is silly low as it looks now. If they would be balanced properly, it'd be like status Alchemers vs Nova/Umbra and those are pretty balanced if you ask me.
idk why status flourishes even exist in the first place...
but about the alchemers, I'd like to see either the chance of status infliction to go down or the strength of the status to be weakened.
Nononono. I just got my alchemer gun switch spam set. Don't nerf it. Nonononono. ._.
"Por que no los dos?"
I think they should have the same ratio to their non-status versions.
How about we make the status go down, I think that would be better than the infliction level going down. It is an effective nerf, but a small nerf to prevent any community weapon hatred disorders (CWHD).
I have opinions.
This was.. not what I was expecting from you Zeddy.
You made an unplayable game.
Let's start with -2 all stats to strikers. That's brutal, especially with the current meta of all out offensive, but vulnerable armors like
Chaos and BKC. A pure health reduction seems more appropriate to work with all armors.
You made guardian OP. It needs some love sure, but if you make guardian that strong, in combination with your proposed -2 stats for strikers,
and you changes to gun mechanics nobody 's even gonna bother with a guardian bomber who gains increased CTR when hit, instead of being interrupted.
It's not you basic idea of a shield that's strong but has no invinciframes that bothers me, but rather the stacking effect with your other suggestions.
You made curse into a practical death. Nobody 's going to switch weapons in the middle of a fight like that.
Instead: how about it stays where it is now but informs you which weapon is NOT cursed?
As for brandishes: it's again the stacking effect with a striker -2 status effect that 's harsh, especially when combined with status on hit.
Your GF/acheron thing makes zero sense to me. GF should deal more damage than acheron/FF in all cases. As long as AT is a part of LD, you can't give a weapon damage on the premises that it's hard to hit someone with.
Just my 2 cents.
"Let's start with -2 all stats to strikers. That's brutal, especially with the current meta of all out offensive, but vulnerable armors like
Chaos and BKC."
And that's exactly why it needs to be done. The current glass cannon metagame needs to actually be glass. It is not. It's possible to wear a piece of the 'glass cannon' armour as a striker and waltz through several different haze bombs, all while having your butt full of health, and that's ridiculous. A -3 health penalty is not going to be anywhere enough.
To be blunt, I'm sick of seeing strikers all over the place. It seems like a class that should be hard to play as, but it's not. It gives you loads of power at very little penalty, and if this status penalty could bring the usage of the striker shield anywhere below 50% of everyone playing Lockdown, that'd be fantastic. Honestly, I don't think it would.
I see where you're coming from on the Guardian. All the buffs were thought up with the current game in mind. However, I still gave them a pretty solid nerf: The shield is easily breakable from multihit attacks and several people ganging up on him. In addition, guardians can no longer cower in the opposition's mist bombs. The CTR thing for bombs needs to be there to elevate bombs beyond "that thing Huntr is good at and therefore bombs are balanced even though Huntr has UVs up the wazoo to stand a fighting chance and he uses a sword anyway". All the buffs and nerfs make sense individually; which would you take away?
Currently, curse is a pay-to-win status. For anyone without weapon slots, it's already death sentence. For anyone with, it's just a minor inconvenience My first draft had curse work on knights the same way they do on monsters: Every time you attack, you may or may not take damage depending on a random roll. However, I figured the switching curse thing would be a lot more fun to deal with as a target. I know if I were to be hit by curse in that manner, I'd lift my bomb and wait for the right moment to drop it. Users of other weapons could stagger their attacks for non-cursed times as well.
I have no idea if you think I overnerfed brandish or if you somehow think I buffed it. Should we also remove the status infliction from the combo of Flamberge in light of the striker status penalty?
AT or not, it's easier to hit things with Gran Faust than Acheron because the reach is both longer and wider, allowing you to hit more people and from further away. Gran Faust should do less damage than Divine Avenger in the context of this rebalance because the combo executes faster and has the ability to inflict curse. Keep in mind that apart from the poison thing, all of these rebalances would affect more than merely Lockdown.
I propose adding a universal Charge-time Penalty in addition to the Bomb Charge time penalty for Strikers. Not only would it discourage Brandish Charge Spamming, it also prevents Strikers from breaking the mechanics entirely and being bombers. It seems Striker was designed to keep you away from bombing, as OOO had intended with the CT Penalty of Very High. As of right now, it's easy to get around with enough time or money. With an additional penalty, you would need some more serious dedication with two penalties to keep your max CTR Haze Bombs as a Striker.
It's cool and all to try and break the meta, but Striker Haze Bombers can easily snowball into a ridiculous situation with no counter-play.
First of all, if the discussion is going to be purely about LD, then you should put the topic in The Coliseum. You can move it by editing the original post, choosing The Coliseum from the dropdown menu, and then saving.
because every time Im in a game and soemones equipped it there team always wins yet my team has really good stuff too like gran fausts but that doesn't do a thing
If your analysis doesn't go further than that, I don't think you're one suited for discussing balance in Lockdown. Why should Gran Faust be more powerful than Warmaster Rockethammer, to begin with?