I'll go by them point by point.

Yes your point comes across as someone who want strikers gone badly. Sadly.
If you want strikers to be a glass canon you should focus on trinkets instead of the class itself.
A no trinkets striker dies in 1 combo. I don't think the chance of having inflicted a status is the problem, I think the severity of it should have more impact.
I don't like trinkets in Ld. I'd rather see them removed than punishing a whole class because of an oversight in what health trinks would do to LD

My problem with the proposed guardian (bomber) is that he has a lot more defense, while simultaneously being able to hide in bombs no striker can walk trough, no one can interrupt, and with a gun mechanic that's in essence weaker than today. I think that's a lot at once. None of the other classes get all these extra bonuses from deciding on a play style in combination with a class.

I think of curse as being 'locked out' of options. When these options are dynamic it's just pure chaos, there is no certainty and as a result no way to defend yourself. I think you should always have a chance to defend/redeel yourself.
This actually applies as well to the poison where you would take damage before being healed.
Base camp should be a haven where you are safe, and able to heal. Dying in base would.. suck.

Nevermind what I said about brandishes, if it's like flamberge it's no big deal.

As for GF/Acheron. I believe GF was always intended to be the counterpart to DA. Those 2 should deal the same damage.
No one is ever gonna use a GF anymore if acheron still does the same damage. The curse is something no one cares about.
Make it the same speed as DA, the same damage, but a shadow alternative.

GF and Acheron shouldn't be balanced to each other. That's something that suddenly popped up in OOO's mind because Shadowtech alch.

Brandishes are med speed weapons, they should do med damage.
DA/GF are slow weaps, they should hit harder.

"what weapon would you have nerfed(LD only)"

Proto Bomb.

"I believe I also read on a different chart that the Acheron does around as much as the GF does per hit."

My Level 5 Acheron does about 30 less damage than my Level 7 Gran Faust if that helps.

They also do the same damage in Tier 2.

Oh my god...
Cautery sword...
Reason why nobody plays with it is because of its overpowering damage.

I still don't get why striker ability bar get filled instantly after waiting a bit, while recon and guardian need to wait for regen.

Zeddy, what about Recon footsteps?

And now I have an insane urge to go craft a Suduruska or Triglav and freeze-troll them. Thanks a lot.

And the GF and DA can't really be balanced, like Zed said. One can inflict Curse, whereas the other cannot, and they have two very different charge attacks.

I like the Brandish nerfs. And the heart trinket nerfs. Though I still don't think anyone's going after status resist trinkets except for maybe the Solstice Ring and Gift of Autumn.

And hooray to gun clips! I never understood why that wasn't implemented in the first place.

Recon

• Remove footsteps.

Right there in my post.

I would probably increase status trinks to +3 so they match the sprite abilities, as well. The holiday status/health trinkets could stay as is, actually.

Skolver + Black Kat with freeze low would walk through shivermist just fine. If the striker wants to walk through other haze bombs, they could equip appropriate gear for it. I'll eat my hat there isn't an upcoming gunslinger set with shock resistance.

posting solely to crash the party and say that skolver + bkc is already enough to walk through shivermist; a freeze low UV would make them invulnerable to hail driver

also snarby + bkc can walk through shivermist just the same as skolver and still maintain enough shadow resistance to, you know, not die to gran fausts being everpresent in virtually every LD game ever

in terms of balancing DA/GF, the only thing that really needs to be balanced on them is the charges but i'm inclined to lean towards making the DA charge longer as opposed to shortening the GF one, citing the fact that their descriptions lend themselves to a mythical background and the idea of belting out magical swords like it's our day job just doesn't seem conducive when every other update is basically implying that the knights on cradle are getting more techno-savvy, not magic-friendly

either that or we can just nuke both swords, i'm okay with that too

To solve this Acheron/GF issue:

Reduce Acheron damage to be in between combuster/glacius/voltedge damage and GF damage
AND
Reduce GF range, but keep damage the same

amirite or am i right

As I see it, the GF does not need any nerfing, and the Acheron should deal the exact same damage as the other Brandishes, with OE being like the OC is to the Sentenza, where it does the same damage (as Acheron) + poison, making it better.

You can't argue like that Kraky. Every nerf to a weapon somebody invested in is a stab in the back that way.
Sure, I invested more money than most SK players will ever have into my gear, but I'd give it up in a heartbeat for a balanced game that rewards
skill more than gear.

now why would i go read up on all the suggestions at 6 am

i will crash parties even if it is the wrong party

also why have we not just made acheron deal gremlin bonuses as well if that's what we're saying makes carbine and sentenza equal

although to be fair the sentenza makes a much more satisfying "bang" than carbine does which alone makes it better

@Retequizzle
That's not balanced for PvP. It's balanced for PvE according to OOO but it isn't balanced for PvE either. Still, Sentenza is not entirely obsolete.

@Sandwich Potato
Not really agreeing with you here. In PvE, even pre-buff, Acheron had the second to strongest Brandish charge since enemies ride the whole attack and get hit all times while Voltedge and Glacius prevent it with their statuses. Of course, LD changes a lot of that with invinciframes. Acheron was actually the weakest for LD but it did deal Shadow damage, which can be desirable. Voltedge can oneshot people becuase shock removes invinciframes and Glacius can put people in freeze locks. Combuster was equal to Acheron but has a very powerful fire.

Seeing as you are an Acheron lover, Kraky, because you don't see that it is objectively better than GF, perhaps the Acheron could have a 10 or 20 damage boost over OE, no more, because poison is relatively weak.

Freeze locks Kraky? Freeze locks? I rarely see those - and I own a Glacius - and play LD, a lot. Shock is "objectively" better than Freeze because Freeze can be cancelled by attacking the player again. Shock can and usually does mean instant death because you just get... stuck.
And yes, Acheron was the weakest Brandish, but the hyperbuff wasn't needed. Just make it 20 damage over the other Brandishes and be happy.

Feyi summed it up perfectly: "Every nerf is a stab in the back for people who invested in that weap, but it can't stand in the way of a balanced game."

remove rng factoring into respawn times

#weaponnerf

#zeddyspeaks

#acheroncomplaint

#communitybad

There's nothing functionally wrong with the BKC either - the original design was to give a huge amount of power at the cost of being susceptible to pretty much any major status type.

What circumvented this was the UV market and how you can simply "roll away" weaknesses. The simple fix would be to prevent future items with this level of design in mind from being roll-able for certain UVs. For example, not being able to roll status UVs on armors that can be considered overpowered with them. Or more applicably, not being able to roll defensive UVs on armors that are designed to be glass cannons.

A more elaborate fix would be to have rolling on them function based off of percentages and not just flat addition. Say normal high was a 14% increase to whatever the armor's inherent defense was. Not only would this negate some of the issues with people simply being able to turn a glass cannon into a metaphorical fortress, but it would enhance other armor types to the point that their usability would be in their durability alone and bring other armor types out of obscurity (Ironmight would actually be mighty, Ancient Plate would actually look AND feel battle-tested, and so on).

And again, I didn't read anything else in this thread because at this point, we've shifted from the topic of nerfing weapons to the topic of rebalancing them. So if it's already been mentioned, well then +1.

I can see what you're getting at with removing health from it, but that wouldn't solve much and would only bring up ideas of the gear showing up in other tiers; that and it would only perpetuate "tryhard" mentality that promotes people using Dusker or Wolver or Cyclops Cap + Fencing Jacket in T3, which is "anything is possible with damage bonuses".

as opposed to what

chaos clones and bkc + shadowsun hybrids that all do the same thing they did before as skolvers but this time look emo doing it

make iron slug charge OHKO everything

i'm not sure if i would love this or hate this considering the splash effect it has on a charge

that and i don't like competition for biggest hipster

You know how I think lockdown could be fixed? Nerfing the heart pads. Or at least make is so that strikers cannot heal as quickly.

There are more times than I can count when I (or another knight) would be in battle with a striker when they would suddenly turn tail and flee, presumably to spawn to recover health. The would then return less than ten seconds later to fight with us again, which will then be one-sided because one party is at full health.

Because how it is now, it takes less than a few seconds to go from being on the brink to being at full. We are talking about a class that none of the other two classes can catch up to. If you are a recon or guardian and a striker decide to run away and heal up, there is nothing you can do about it.

This change in healing speeds would promote looking for other sources of health, like the occasional heart drops or, I don't know, guardians. Speaking of which, a healing boost might be in the ballpark for that class as well. In a way, this would buff the guardian class, which really needs to see more play.

Guardians can increase their own healing speed by shielding on heart pads, both in spawn and scattered throughout the map. Some of the newer maps are actually more favorable for Guardian play as a result.

Usually groups of Guardians in 3 or more are pretty formidable just because the shields can overlap each other. If you catch two of them, really all you need is one well-placed heavy sword swing to drop the shields, since both shields will take damage for the other Guardian and themselves. It's weird how it works, but it usually does. For some reason, any more than that and you're not gonna get very far without someone else helping you.

Also, usually running back to heal is the smarter play as opposed to just running in and dying. I'd rather run back for 10 seconds than respawn for 20, so I don't see how that's an issue at all since it's picking the lesser of two evils at that point. Not to mention a typical striker vs a typical guardian with similar levels of skill, the guardian actually has a better shot of dropping the striker as long as they let the strikers make the first move and subsequently the first mistake.

Blitz is so inaccurate for a guardian shield...