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Sat, 02/01/2014 - 04:20
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta

*still waiting for a reply from 000s. As it is the weekend I don't expect a response till Monday/Tuesday*

Let me just make something clear. I never had a problem with people using the <69 in this way as a sort of signature on the forum or in game. I honestly never really looked into it. I always believed it to be just a tag for personal use of a small minority. Only until a curious member of our forum searched what it meant, did I become surprised that 000s allowed the use of such number used as <69 to imply something obscene. This may be only 3 characters composed of two harmless numbers, but the way it is used it portraits a symbol.

Any symbol that has obscene/abusive/derogatory/inappropriate/racial meaning should be banned from use and the people knowingly using it should be banned also. If people are allowed to use such symbol then surely I can start mixing a few numbers of my own that also has similar meaning to <69 or even more derogatory. Believe me I know many and I'm sure 000s does not favour certain individuals over others. So I should be allowed. Just so that people know the meaning of 69 here is the definition. If anyone feels offended by reading it then surely you feel the same way as most people do about the use of this symbol <69, so don't be afraid to come forward and express your concern.

This site is an online slang dictionary. It contains definitions of online slang. It's contents can easily be accessed by anyone. Adult or child. I have simply provided a quick one click link to the definition of 69. Every word/symbol has a meaning I am only providing that meaning. I hope this embarrasses the people using it. They are definitely not setting a good example if they carry on using such a symbol.

[link removed]

The thing that is even more surprising is that if someone has explained the meaning of such use of numbers to be obscene in content and the people using it carries on, fully aware of the meaning as they have been told what it is, then why do they carry on? Not only do they carry on using <69 in their posts they use to deliberately mock the people telling them what they are typing is not appropriate in meaning. It's like me telling a child the meaning of the F word after they have used it, only for them to turn around and say the F word back at me.

This was the first response I got from a member of the 000s staff. In response to this I have sent two emails.

Greetings,

Thank you for your feedback and concern! If you have suggestions as to any
mechanical changes to how player-generated forum and or game content (this
includes chat) is handled, the best place to make them is on the Suggestions
section of the forums, where they can be discussed and refined and will be
read by our developers. Thank you!

Best wishes,

So as I wait for a response. Are there any concerned sk community members that would like to share their suggestion on a way to stop the use of derogatory/obscene symbols? Surely if 000s does not take serious action then they also are going against their own rules. In my eyes a ban is the most appropriate action. By banning people 000s will set an example, and a message sent out to others that any form of symbol or word that means something obscene or derogatory is not allowed on the forum, irrespective if you don't know or know the meaning of it. Many people don't use it. It is only used by a few, meaning they know what it is. So taking action isn't hard.

Take away the right for people to use the forum if they only use <69 as a form of tag rather than a common use of numbers. There is a big difference. There is no need to use <69 to finish off every sentence. Why not use 11 or 33 or 45 or 88 or 23 or 84? Because the meaning of 69 is far more attracting to dirty minded people.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 04:52
#1
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy

If you want to start a debate, you have it here. I honestly do not think of 69 as anything taboo or offensive, unless you view it that way. Why is it offensive in the first place, is it because it is meant to symbolize a sexual position rather than to symbolize a number? Are we really gonna ban the number now?

While I agree that EoS and Njthug and co. uses the symbol to represent that sole definition, I do not think it is any cause for alarm. Rather, it is a representation of themselves and as a joke. They can act indifferently among themselves whilst using that number, why is it different from others?

What I see is that it is not about how the sender should act mature, rather about how the receiver should instead. We should not educate people about what to mute, rather educate people what is the right thing to do upon hearing what seems offensive to you. We don't want to exercise force, isn't that what free speech has come to undo?

Don't do this, don't be harsh on the young. These hatchlings need to learn the ways of our world as they grow up, then let them slowly learn it. What needs to be done is to teach them maturity, rather than block them out, and this is exactly the problem with the world today. Although I said this, we elders and seniors also need to retain our sense of maturity too, knowing when to say the right thing. When it's safe and otherwise, then let your vulgarities flow, discuss porn or what not.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 05:25
#2
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Zaffy-Laffy

Thanks for the reply.

Why is it offensive in the first place, is it because it is meant to symbolize a sexual position rather than to symbolize a number? Are we really gonna ban the number now?

I provided a link to prove the online slag meaning of 69 is that of sexual. They have turned this into a symbol which they use unnecessarily in their posts as <69. They no the meaning so enjoy using it.

While I agree that EoS and Njthug and co. uses the symbol to represent that sole definition, I do not think it is any cause for alarm. Rather, it is a representation of themselves and as a joke. They can act indifferently among themselves whilst using that number, why is it different from others?

Have you reread this? So you just proved they are using the symbol inappropriate because they know the meaning. Then you say what is the problem? The problem is the problem it self. So they use it as a joke? They don't act indifferently amongst themselves. They post their symbol all over the forum. It is a joke that has gone to far.

What I see is that it is not about how the sender should act mature, rather about how the receiver should instead. We should not educate people about what to mute, rather educate people what is the right thing to do upon hearing what seems offensive to you. We don't want to exercise force, isn't that what free speech has come to undo?

Are you serious? So we should act mature? So again you are saying you know what they are doing is wrong, but it's ok let them. Who gave anyone the right to be above the law? Are you saying that in society people are allowed to act how they want without punishment because people have freedom of speech? There is always a limit and you clearly pointed out the way these people are using these numbers is for the wrong meaning. So ok. Lets allow people to swear then, Heck we might as well then use the actual word associated with the meaning of 69. It's the same thing if the people who are using it know what it implies, they just have an awesome excuse to work around it.

P.S Nothing you said makes sense? Are you afraid to stand up for what is right? Or are you also doing <69 positions with the offenders?

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 05:25
#3
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy

It is only inappropriate in the right context. I can say suck, and it could mean sucking a straw, which is obviously not inappropriate. How is 69 by itself inappropriate. If I say suck a phallic, then that is inappropriate, and I should not be saying it, but I want to make my point.

We act as mature as we can, without being so mature it gets boring because of what seems taboo to society as a whole. I mean I can chat porn with some of my friends privately, without leaking out to the rest of the public.

But is it our fault when a hatchling stumbles upon inappropriate content, I think not. When that happens, who should be the one to act mature then?

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 05:39
#4
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Zaffy-Laffy

69 on itself is not inappropriate. Why even assume you think I am saying that?

Using 69 after every comment implies there is a meaning, a reason why someone would use it. In this case it means something sexual. So using 69 unnecessarily after every comment is wrong. Why don't you understand that? But you do. You said it very clearly they are using it as a joke. So it is wrong.

Ok let me ask you a question. Please be straight with me.

For argument sake. If you didn't know the meaning of the F word, and I told you what it means and you shouldn't use it in general conversation. What would you do?

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 05:36
#5
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy

Well considering it is taboo, I would not use it unless it is towards people I know very well, so as to express the true extent of my anger or otherwise.

I know I see this happening a lot, there were also people complaining to youtubers like Pewdiepie for using such taboo words, and youtube is easily accessible. But is it Pewdiepie's fault for promoting the use of such vulgarities?

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 06:02
#6
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Zaffy-Laffy

So you wouldn't use it basically because you're a person who follows values and so you know the word is wrong if said to someone.

Same applies to what they are doing. They carry on using two harmful numbers in every post (seems stupid to me) because it amuses them. Again I repeat 69 is a number. But if I were to keep using it as a symbol in every post I say, people will question me. They will ask why do you use 69 in every post? If someone then searched "what does 69 mean" and came across sexual definitions, how would that make me look. I have some shame so I would be embarrassed.

I don't want to take this thread away from it's purpose. I don't really care what anyone else does outside Spiral Knights. I would like to remain on topic please.

But all I can say with complete confidence. There is always a source or a start to something that has developed or occurred. In order to rectify the situation the common sense thing to do is find the point from where it all started. In this case the person. We all know who that is. Surely if either of us started using a symbol that meant something offensive we would get banned? So why has this been allowed to carry on?

Have you ever heard the saying, 'Don't punish the child who steals, punish the mother.'

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 06:14
#7
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
000s

I think I have made it very clear on where I stand on this. I have given clear cut examples why this symbol <69 should not be used in a way it has. It is disgusting and disgusting that no action has been taken.

There isn't a single player in this game that defines Spiral Knights. Don't make it that way. No one is more important that this game.

My suggestion is to ban people who keep on using the numbers in every post or filter the <69 symbol. Again you don't see me putting 88 or even 2029 at the end of every post. There is no important meaning to it that I can associate to. So clearly 69 has a connection to some people because they enjoy the meaning. I can't explain why they would keep using 69 in ever post other than that.

I would like to hear just one response by 000s on this, either by mail or here. If they won't take action, who am I to carry on this discussion? I don't have the power to enforce the rules set by 000s. If people are allowed to manipulate the rules then honestly I see no reason for me to bother carrying this on.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 06:34
#8
Retequizzle's picture
Retequizzle

imagine my surprise when i see this thread and the OP before i've even finished my first cup of coffee

pretty sure we already established in the previous thread that your concepts of "disgusting" are entirely subjective and quite frankly pretty full of *%(#, considering you went out of your way to turn a thread about the concepts of <69 into several personal attacks about how people who associate themselves with the colloquialism are akin to little boys, which is what prompted the responses that you got anyway from what i've gathered

considering you're also assuming that the <69 is in reference to that sort of thing, you're also doing a smash-up job of making yourself look like an idiot, since up until this point i don't think anyone's ever actually given it enough thought to even wonder what it was about, let alone bothered asking what it meant to begin with, i really can't say i see your point behind this aside from jumping on a bandwagon that someone else started

last, but certainly not least, i think it's safe to say that you've got a bit too much of an axe to grind here as well, considering your suggestion is to "ban" people and not add it to the word filter, so nah i'm gonna go ahead and say -1 to this solely because of "researcher bias" in this case. you've still yet to ask us individually how it came about, you've made several insinuations about the people who -do- choose to use it regardless of their affiliation to us, and your scope of interest in this is solely to see some people get banned for whatever reason based off of how many times you've made that a recommended punishment for it

if you're looking for something a bit more kosher for the whole family, club penguin's that way

that, and i'd just take the warning/ban anyway <69

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 06:54
#9
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Retequizzle

I'm pretty sure you and those who use the symbol established what ever you said here. Are you done fuming? Would you care to suggest a way for removing the <69 symbol or the people using it? That is the intention of this thread after all.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:02
#10
Njthug's picture
Njthug
Call me Mr. Flintstone, I can make your bedrock <69

I find the name Three Ring really offensive can we change the name of the company as well since I am sure if we google it or think outside the box we can make it dirty <69.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:08
#11
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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You are honestly acting childish to care so much about subjectively vulgar language. This is an online game. Online games are full of it. If you find it disturbing, either go to a single-player Early Childhood game or a MMO for 5 year-olds.

It is also established that the forums do not have a filter. The only sensible move is to add <69 to the standard game filter so that easily disturbed people can not be enlightened about it.

Besides that, I find it comical that somebody in today's society is complaining about such a thing. Most 8 years olds probably know what <69 and 69 mean. Even more amazing, I took a state-made mathematics test before, and multiple answers were conspicuously 69. Sorry to break it to you, but it is way less severe than say, the F word.

My recommendation is to either adapt to modern society, go play a game that is rated for younger people by the ESRB, or ask for a more legitimate addition to the game, which would be adding <69 to the game's minor filter. A problematic thing (for you maybe) is that 69 cannot be blocked, as it is a number. <69 can be, for what .001% of the game population actually cares.

The way you're going with it, there are numerous symbols that are not filtered that someone like you might start spazzing about.

EDIT: lol, Njthug.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:13
#12
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
I don't Price Check no more. I ask for Price Checks

I find the name Three Ring really offensive can we change the name of the company as well since I am sure if we google it or think outside the box we can make it dirty <69.

I find this sort of attitude on this forum to be the route cause of why people don't bring up topics like this. 000s has allowed such behaviour to continue why? You guys may not know it but you're making the sk forum a difficult place for people to be more open in things they want to talk about.

Again this only proves my concern, it's always the same bunch of people teaming up on people who are expressing their opinion in such a way that goes against these people who think they are above the law on here. I fully expect more of your friends to target me. Mainly friends and EOS members.

And It still surprises me how 000s allow this to go on. It's been almost a year now and the same people derailing threads are still around.

@ Njthug

Would you care to suggest a way for removing the <69 symbol or the people using it? That is the intention of this thread after all.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:19
#13
Usevnsevnsixfivfor's picture
Usevnsevnsixfivfor
That tornado is carrying a car!

I think that damn and hell should be banned too, but of course somebody HAD to change SEGA's policies.

I'm suprised how that game was rated E10+ with a bunch of aliens, constant swearing, and super realistic guns, meanwhile SK is rated T with no voice acting, swear words filterable (except those two), cartooney weapons, and no blood or gore.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:20
#14
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mushy-Bucket

Ok then it that case everyone is free to swear and post porn all over the internet. This is the modern world now right? Porn is free to access by anyone. So go to every other forum and argue why porn and swear words are either banned or filtered. Go to every other forum and argue why you are not allowed to derail threads, go to every other forum and argue why people aren't allowed to target people for expressing their opinion. If you don't agree with me please don't bore me with essays or smirk remarks. I'll only respond with even something that bores you.

I already explained I have no problem with the number 69. Only the symbol <69 because of the way it is used here.

Filtering the <69 is exactly what I am saying, it's one step the right direction. Nice of you to enforce that and keep my thread on topic. Thanks

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:23
#15
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Usevnsevnsixfivfor

Start your own thread if you think those should be banned. This thread is only suggesting ways of removing the symbol <69 from our forum and game.

In my opinion there is a massive difference between a sexual context and the words you mentioned.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:23
#16
Usevnsevnsixfivfor's picture
Usevnsevnsixfivfor
@^ lol no

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:25
#17
Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
Not for nothing, but I believe this was the response AKD

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/96702?page=1#comment-868336

You're still ostensibly naming and shaming.

As for removing the use of a symbol, I counter suggest that we just remove you. At the risk of being offensive, I'm going to be blatant about this. I don't know you, nor have I heard of you prior to this. I haven't seen you in game. The guys and gals from EoS, I've known for 3 years, since the game launched, and I was part of my own guild, not EoS. I've been in contact with EoS since the start, been involved in their community work here, their giveaways, and all else that they've done.
What have YOU done, outside of cry about numbers? EoS contributes to this game, both financially and in the overall community. You don't like 69? You have an issue with it? May i suggest avoiding the internet as a whole.

All in favor of removing ArchKnightDelta's ability to post on the forums, say "AYE".

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:25
#18
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Usevnsevnsixfivfor

Would you care to suggest a way for removing the <69 symbol or the people using it? That is the intention of this thread after all. If not then aren't you derailing a thread?

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:31
#19
Feyi-Feyi's picture
Feyi-Feyi
I don't think it can be

I don't think it can be considered derailing threads when the actual thread itself is pretty worthless.
You're presenting opinions as facts here, and discussing opinions is for people with too much time on their hands.

If you're really wondering why OOO doesn't feel the need to 'do anything about this',
you should consider that the percentage of the community actively making an issue out of it is restricted to you and about 3 others.
There was no such issue until you people made it one. You can't ask them to step in for problems you yourselves create.

Also; as Ret mentioned you have literally said a couple of times this thread is your attempt to remove persons from the game.
That makes this whole thread nothing more than an empty vehicle for trying to achieve your own gains.
That is not what the suggestions forum is for.

Forever yours, in all of the dirtiest ways you can imagine <96

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:29
#20
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Perronius

Greetings,

Thank you for your feedback and concern! If you have suggestions as to any
mechanical changes to how player-generated forum and or game content (this
includes chat) is handled, the best place to make them is on the Suggestions
section of the forums, where they can be discussed and refined and will be
read by our developers. Thank you!

Best wishes,

Would you care to suggest a way for removing the <69 symbol or the people using it? That is the intention of this thread after all. Asking for me to be banned is derailing the purpose of my thread. I am not the one actively using the symbol <69

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:29
#21
Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
also, as per your disgusting link

How vulgar is this slang?

Average of 387 votes: 69% (See the most vulgar words.)

HAH.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:29
#22
Njthug's picture
Njthug
Dance the night away grab somebody n drink a little more =0

I care to suggest that this topic is pretty dumb since well we are all allowed to share our view point on suggestion threads <69

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/95984?page=1

^

I see a lot of 69's on this topic you should have Three Rings do something about it!

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:30
#23
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Feyi-Feyi

<96

This is a good alternative. It carries no sexual meaning.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:36
#24
Njthug's picture
Njthug
Close your mouth dont speak just feel me closer we become =0

<69 <69 <69.....

^
I still don't see the issue with it...after typing it up so many times...why are you hating on the #69 all it is 60 +9 = 69

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 09:03
#25
Skyguarder's picture
Skyguarder

While "<69" represents a meaning, it should not be banned. I find it illogical to ban the "<69" symbol on a 13+ year old game. What Zaffy-Laffy said before, it can be inappropriate in the right context. In this case, EoS usually does it for a joke. They aren't using it as attacks for minors or anybody.

You must be annoyed to see the symbol "<69". In that case, why not remove some of the structures of Haven? Because they look like a @#&^$. That's what I can see from this thread. How about when you're doing some math? You have to find out whenever a number is worth more or less. So if you something like this: 68 [] 69 - Which would be worth less? 68. So you would put a "<" symbol. Would you tell the teacher that they should be fired because they put an example with "<69"? You weren't forced to search into an online dictionary to find out the meaning of it. If you don't like the meaning of it, then just ignore the people that use it. You aren't forced to read their comments that contain "<69".

Again, it sounds illogical to ban this symbol. The only valid reason to ban someone using "<69" is if they use it in the wrong context. Otherwise, there is no reason to ban someone for using it. This is why the game is for 13+ year olds. By bringing up the definition of "<69", you are encouraging people who don't know what it means to know the definition and use it, which would probably make you complain even more.

I respect your opinion though. However, I think you've gone too far.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:39
#26
Feyi-Feyi's picture
Feyi-Feyi
I don't know Arc. I bet it

I don't know Arc.
I bet it does.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:45
#27
Akuryo's picture
Akuryo
o....o)

"<69" poses no harm nor is an offense in itself. though it can have interpretations, i can interpret a commercial on shampoo as bad omen for my pancakes. it's mostly subjective and/or psychological.

(out of topic: i see 96 as the symbol of death for some reason)

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:55
#28
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Skyguarder

So EOS know it's meaning and use it as a joke? So they use something that has a sexual meaning a joke? Now that is very mature isn't it.

I have only done what a member of 000s staff has asked me to do. Make a thread that suggests a way of dealing with the symbol <69.

I suggest either filtering the symbol <69 or banning the people abusing it. You said it yourself. A group of people are using a sexual context as a joke. That in itself should warrant a ban. If you people can't see that you are delusional.

Note: I haven't targeted a single player here. I responded only to those who responded to my suggestion. Again this is another example of how the same bunch of people derail threads just for self amusement.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:49
#29
Malemotry
All those 69,s nj

All those 69,s nj

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:55
#30
Njthug's picture
Njthug
I crashed my car into the bridge. I watched, I let it burn. <69

....Dude I just found out what 69 meant from reading what you posted wow you should get banned for posting those types of links here! You sir are a terrible person in the Sk community to do such things. All I know is that your link is wrong since 69 = 61 + 8.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 07:56
#31
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy

Well it isn't mature if they start attracting young boys and girls into the guild and asks them to strip online in front of their web cam. In fact that's illegal, so of course they won't do it.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:00
#32
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Njthug

Apologies if you didn't know the meaning before. I hope you realise now how disgusting it is. Maybe you might find it in your innocent heart to stop using it.

If you believe the link to be wrong, please argue that against the people responsible for onlineslangdictionary.com

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:01
#33
Reto-Da-Liz's picture
Reto-Da-Liz

The word SEGA itself is in Italian the act of touching yourself (if you're male).
Go tell SEGA to change their name please, so many Italian children got offended and oh gosh... hearing that word definitely changed their lives and turned them into naughty, dirty evil people.

Please Arc, save us!

<69

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:10
#34
Njthug's picture
Njthug
Im so Im so Becky from the Block always had a little but =0

How can an apology make up for what you did sir...I am so mad why would you post that on this game I am only 13 years old, and I had no clue what that meant! I asked my parents what some of the words were and they punished me! Wow I hope you get banned for posting such graphic information on these forums! If anyone is a monster in this game it is you! I agree with Perro three rings should not allow players like you to be part of the community. <69 it is just another way to say <3 people like you who are so dirty minded change it into something gross! Shame on you sir!

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:17
#35
Reto-Da-Liz's picture
Reto-Da-Liz

And you were just told NOT to make a forum thread about it.
Dayum you're smart.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:27
#36
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
It's a shame really.

I personally feel it is wrong for people who know 69 has a sexual meaning to use it so casually as a joke
I feel it is wrong how a group of people try to belittle people for sharing their opinion
I feel sad that people who share the same concern as me are too afraid to speak their mind as they know they will be treated in a similar way.

I have forwarded this thread to 000s. I have given a sound reason why the symbol <69 should not be used so freely. I have given a legitimate link to a site that defines online slang abbreviations. I have made this thread in response to an official member of 000s. I have suggested the symbol <69 should be banned/filtered and the people who go against that should be punished under the rules of this forum, all based on evidence I have given. What ever decision 000s takes I trust. I see no need in responding to people who use this forum as their own personal clubhouse.

I have nothing else to say.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:27
#37
Retequizzle's picture
Retequizzle

"&orz" should be banned but isn't; in fact, it's everpresent in a lot of FPS games where your average 12-year old actually frequents.

It's also amusing how you blatantly ignored the assertion that you're championing this idea because of a personal issue with us and not the supposed symbolism you're attaching to it without actually asking why we use it the way we do. So, that being said, I can't really say I'm done "fuming", because I never really started it to begin with. You're too busy with your head lodged up your own @*# to where you can't see any other viewpoint of your own. And that's evident in the fact that any time you can't "argue" (I'm using the term incredibly loosely right now, because I'm convinced I could give a toddler a can of Spaghetti-Os for dinner and they'd @"*! out a better argument) a point, you accuse them of derailing a thread. The suggestion forum isn't just for making suggestions, it's for discussing them as well. And so far, you've done nothing to prove that your intent with this isn't personally driven beyond the scope of "think of the children"!

So do us all a favor and take the faux-humanitarianism somewhere else. Or do some research and find out why we do it.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:34
#38
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright
gods ain't gonna help you, son.

somewhere, in some language, Verga is a swear. idk, I found out because someone in my party spelled "average" wrong. point is, you have to search up these things by yourself. if you throw a 13 year old child on the internet, you gotta know the risks. if you find some things dirty, you only can expess your opinion. want a tool of distruction? call these kids parents, and show this off. I mean, it's their job /responsibility /decision to get their child into the internet. they know this game is rated teen, what should we do, raise the age limit?

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:42
#39
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Everyone who supports the

@Everyone who supports the use of 69 in it's contexts: Your argument for 69 is rather shallow. It's also lacking in points. All I keep hearing is, "It's only bad if you look at it that way!" Or, "You're only trying to make it dirty!" The fact is that <69 used as a symbol rather than a number has a vulgar definition. I think we are aware that you aren't ignorant to that fact, so why is it that you are playing ignorant? As for dealing with it because this is the internet and those "arguments," well then OOO shouldn't have any words filtered by that logic. The fact is that OOO has standards and guidelines. So why doesn't 69 fit into those guidelines? There's other words that are filtered and I honestly can't see why as they have no bad meaning or definition that I can find.

Your counter arguments of "it's just a number" is rather immature. We aren't talking about the number 69 used as a value or measurement, rather as a symbol with a meaning. You can't go around saying <3 and say that you "just like to use it" and you're "not using it because it looks like a heart." People would think you were idiots if you gave that as a reason. We aren't trying to make something dirty about the 69 symbols, there is something dirty with it and you are a fool to play ignorant to it.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:53
#40
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Arcknightdelta
@ Thunder-The-Bright

Appreciate the response. But I'm not suggesting any other word be removed. I don't see people actively using that word. We could argue all day that such and such words should be banned. Obviously most words are filtered. And surely it's our job to be positive impacts on the game to report words/symbols/phrases that have been missed off the list of things already filtered?

Surely now because of recent events many people will know the meaning of <69. So surely now that the primary meaning of it is sexual, it should be filtered and anyone who carries on using be dealt with by 000s.

Edit: If you all notice I didn't once mention a single name of a person using <69 nor have I mentioned first the group/guild that use it. Clearly people know who are using it as they have mentioned specific names. I have no 'personal agendas' my only gripe is the symbol <69 being used as a joke for sexual amusement. I don't care who uses it. It is wrong and isn't welcome in our community.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:50
#41
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Zaffy-Laffy

I hear ya Hollows, but just because it is used as something sexual by some does not justify that it is offensive to everyone. It is still a number for the ignorant, but is the proper way of handling '69' just avoiding it's supposed hidden meaning?

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:53
#42
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Vesperaldus
I think the proper way of

I think the proper way of handling it would be making the symbolic use of 69 and <69 or any other variation be something that would provoke a warning and/or ban from the Game Masters.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:56
#43
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Arcknightdelta
@ Zaffy-Laffy

Ok so I should be allowed to use any symbol or word that has a hidden meaning similar to a sexually orientated context/ or a derogatory, insulting word?

You're not doing them any favours mate.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 08:58
#44
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Vesperaldus
@Arcknightdelta: I think your

@Arcknightdelta: I think your suggesting of "removing the players who use 69" is a rather extreme action. It also seems to make it look like you are targeting specific people, whether you are or not. The responsible and reasonable thing to do is let past instances of 69 be brushed under the rug and let all new instances suffer from a warning or ban. Hence the reason in the first thread I brought out "ex post facto."

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 09:02
#45
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Zaffy-Laffy

If you could find me one, so be it.

And I'm saying, for the ignorant, if they found out the hidden meaning of 69, so be it. If they are mature enough, they will just knock it off, not rant everywhere like it's a downgrade to humanity and that we must save humanity from knowing all these sexual stuff.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 09:00
#46
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
80085. Or any variation.

80085. Or any variation.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 09:10
#47
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Arcknightdelta
@ Sleepy-Hollows

I know. People who have continued to belittle others should be banned/warned. That is what I was implying. As you can see clearly how people who have raised no legitimate argument to defend the use of <69 has done. I haven't provoked any particular individual nor have you in the past thread, yet we were thrown abuse for expressing our general concern.

I agree all other instances of the use of <69 should be swept under the carpet and only once 000s (if they decide to take action) bans the symbol <69 and people carry on using it, should they be warned/banned then.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 09:08
#48
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Arcknightdelta
@ Zaffy-Laffy

I'm not going to looking for numbers that mean something offensive. To me that's just sad. But in future if something like this comes up again, and I find it means something offensive. I'll be sure to raise concern. But this topic is about ways of dealing with the symbol <69 so lets please keep it to that.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 09:08
#49
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Vesperaldus
I think the accurate

I think the accurate representation of this thread should be that we are suggesting that OOO incorporate the vulgar context of the symbol 69 into their guidelines. I hope this is what this thread is for.

@Ret: If you want us to know so badly why you use <69 so insistently, then please do tell us.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 09:10
#50
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Zaffy-Laffy

No arguments? I am an advocate of free speech, and I raised the point on free speech. People are swearing, using sexual innuendos on youtube videos, famous ones too, and you here are trying to limit our choice of words in a 13+ rated MMOG. You might as well take it up with youtube and ban Pewdiepie, Smosh and what not.

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