Spiral Knights - Suggestion to Guild Halls and Starter Pack

Suggestion to Guild Halls and Starter Pack

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Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:57

Fraxur

Starter Pack:
There could be a free crown/energy charged starter pack that includes less benefits then the current starter pack. The free starter pack could include 2 mist tanks, a less effective or no heat amplifier, 1 weapon and 1 trinket slot, either Static Flash or Green ward, again random and ~200 energy. Like I said before, this could be free or charged. The charge could be ~1000 crowns or/and ~25 energy. In this way, the less wealthy players can get it just by playing the game.

Guild Halls:
The main suggestions are in a forum created by HawtKoffee: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/2538. I think that these suggestions are great and they will definitely give people the incentives to go to guild halls.
Apart from these suggestions I also have some of my own. The guild alchemy machine could offer a discount to guild members like a 5%-10% reduction in the crowns and energy needed. To make sure that people will still use the normal alchemy machines, only higher rank guild members can use it and they have to fill the guild treasure vault HawtKoffee mentioned with a certain amount of energy, crowns, etc to be able to use it. After using the guild alchemy machine for 2 times for example, the guild member will have to fill the guild treasure vault again.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 08:45

Wfawwer

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Starter Pack: NO
That's giving away 200ME, 200CE, and 400 worth of CE ALONG with special promo items.

Guildhalls: Hawtcoffee had it right.
Are you trolling me?

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 23:08

Fraxur

Let me guess wfawwer, you are

Let me guess wfawwer, you are one of the wealthy players aren't you? The game is becoming a bit too expensive, I mean, heat amplifiers cost 800 energy which is huge and crafting is now more expensive, poorer players like me have to wait days to upgrade 3star+ weapons. It is just not fair.
And the content of Starter Pack I mentioned above is just an example, it could contain less contents.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 06:06

Vlad

NO!

The starter pack idea is bad. People would just create second characters to get starter packs and send it to their mains. OOO isn't dumb enough to give out free energy and promo items at the same time.

EliteChamp, you know why we are wealthy? Because we play the market and save up. We have the advantage because we PAID MONEY to get it.

Thumbs up to wfawwer.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 08:54

Merethif

Free starter pack

Free starter pack already exists and it includes 1 free sword and 1 free handgun (Proto Sword and Proto Gun). You got 2 Mist Tanks on you first game day too (one after arriving at Haven and one after arriving at first terminal if I remember well) so it's a bit like starter pack too.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 06:42

Fraxur

Excuse me, but at all (and I

Excuse me, but at all (and I really mean all) the other multiplayer games that are similar to this game I played before, they give you weapons when you first arrive at the game, plus a completely free starter pack that includes clothes, upgrade stones and such. I just don't see why this game can't have one.

And Vlad, you are just so narrow minded. Why couldn't the game give out one bounded(energy, gear, crowns all bounded) starter pack to each account meaning that players can only get it once and can only use it on one account, and anyways this game is designed to be used with only one character(mist energy is shared) so why couldn't Spiral Knights give players the option to create just one account. And just in case if you want to say "what if we don't like the equipment we are using on one character and want to start fresh on another one", create another account! And I hope you do know that this game is not just played by working adults and kids who receive loads of money from their parents, but also by non-working adults along with kids whose parents don't want to give them money because they think games are a waste of time.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 17:44

Vlad

Are you trolling me?

This game isn't similar to other games. They don't have members. In other games, members had access to other places. How would you feel if half of Haven was cut out from you? What if the auction house was only available to members? Spiral Knights is a unique game that exposes all of the game to players, and paying players get the advantage of CE, which gives them an advantage of extending their gameplay. This starter pack you are suggesting is illogical due to giving out crowns AND energy + promo items ALONG with one trinket slot and weapon slot. Trinket Slots were meant for paying players, which gave their knights some defenses or HP. Weapon slots gave paying players the ability to carry another weapon. It is not our fault that unemployed adults have not jobs. It was their duty to go to school to study hard get jobs when they grew up.

Why couldn't the game give out one bounded(energy, gear, crowns all bounded) starter pack to each account meaning players can only get it once and use it on one account, and anywayes this game is designed to be used with only one character(mist energy is shard) so why couldn't Spiral Knights give players to create just one account. And just in case if you want to say "what if we don't like the equipment we are using on one character and want to start fresh on another one", create another account! And I hope you do know that this game is not just played by working adults and kids who receive loads of money from their parents, but also by non-working adults along with kids whose parents don't want to give them money because they think games are a waste of time.

You can't bind energy and crowns, stupid.

How was Spiral Knights designed to be used with one character? There are three character slots, which means each account was meant to carry three characters, stupid.

Why couldn't the game give out one bounded....? Because Three Rings will not give out P2P items to the F2P player.

Each Weapon Slot is atleast 150 CE, and each Trinket Slot is atleast 50 CE. Meaning each weapon slot is atleast .36 cents, and each trinket slot is atleast 16 cents. If Spiral Knights had about one million players, they would be giving out atleast $520,000 dollars of profit. If you were a Three Rings employee wouldn't you want a part of that as your salary?

As paying players, we pay, we get.

Are you trolling me?

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 09:05

Fraxur

Unfortunately, unlike what

Unfortunately, unlike what you said, many many free online games, especially Chinese online games (I lived in China for some years) do not have membership and they offer much more benefits than this game. What can I say, Chinese are just more open minded than Westerners. By the way, I do have a trinket slot that I bought with crystal energy. And also, what about the heat amplifiers? They cost 800CE! Not many players will give up crafting 5 star weapons to buy something that just merely levels up your weapon faster. In your reply, I realised that you mentioned only the unemployed adult. True, its their responsibility to be educated and get a job. They are the ones to blame. But what you did not mention was teenagers that rarely get money from their parents,

You can't bind energy and crowns, stupid.
How was Spiral Knights designed to be used with one character? There are three character slots, which means each account was meant to carry three characters, stupid.

You may not be able to bound energy and crowns but what about vouchers? The game could give you bound vouchers that you can use to buy equipments. Didn't think of that, right? Idiot.

And anyways if you read forums regarding shared mist energy, you will find that many many players reply that the game is designed in a way that you do not need more than one knight. You may call me stupid, but I am sure that you cannot call all of those players stupid.

About that paragraph with Spiral Knights giving up at least 520,000 dollars of profit, the solution would be to charge crowns and CEs that players could afford by playing the game. And anyways, lots of players spend loads of money on this game, so I don't think that that is going to be too significant.

And in case you don't like the idea of starter pack, how about rewards for completing achivements? (100-1000 crown awards, no ME nor CE because you are going to shout that the game is going to lose profit again)

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 13:29

lawlz

Legacy Username

There is already a free starter pack

There is already a free starter pack as the first replied mentioned...

2 Mist Tanks + 1 (If you finish tier 2 as well)
2 Weapon Slots
Proto Sword, Proto Gun, Spiral Helm + Armor

YOU DO NOT NEED TRINKET SLOT
YOU DO NOT NEED 3+ WEAPON SLOTS

Tue, 05/31/2011 - 14:51

Vlad

Three Rings' income will be lowered by this Starter Pack.

First off Three Rings is a group of developers and programmers like Sega that want to make money off game design. They want to make money, so they won't add a free starter pack that could lower their income by $520,000 dollars.

What can I say, Chinese are just more open minded than Westerners.

If you don't like Western games, then get off Spiral Knights and play your asian games.

But what you did not mention was teenagers that rarely get money from their parents,

It's called getting a part-time job.

You may not be able to bound energy and crowns but what about vouchers? The game could give you bound vouchers that you can use to buy equipments. Didn't think of that, right? Idiot.

$520,000 is half a million dollars, and an average adult only gets about $40,000 dollars of income annually. Since the Spiral Knights team is small, I am sure adding part of half a million dollars of income is going to be quite a big raise.

Are you trolling me?

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 06:44

#10

Fraxur

It's called getting a

It's called getting a part-time job.
Seriously, do you ever care about the well-beings of other people? Kids and teenagers who play this game are already stressed enough by their school work! You expect them to go find a part-time job and get even more stressed? And anyways schools do not finish at midday, they finish in the afternoon at 3 or 4 o'clock so do you think that they will have time to go to a job that's going to give them enough money to buy energy and have enough time to play this game? I am sure that parents will not allow them to play this game in the dead of the night.

I am not out for Three Rings to give out free crowns and CE, and why the hell do you need a starter pack anyways? You can already get 3* armor through free-play. If you want Tier 3 access spending CE is the way to go. If you don't have money to spend, go play some other game.
I am 100% sure that all the people who play this game do not want to get just 3* armors! With 3* armors, they are not going to get the thrills for which is the reason why they started to play this game!
This game is probably one of the top 5 games online today, and I think that the majority of players do not want to leave this game. With the starter pack, people are going to be more attracted to this game but if you don't think that this is a good idea, fine, it's just a suggestion, no more than just a suggestion.

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 07:15

#11

Wfawwer

Seriously,

Seriously, do you ever care about the well-beings of other people? Kids and teenagers who play this game are already stressed enough by their school work! You expect them to go find a part-time job and get even more stressed? And anyways schools do not finish at midday, they finish in the afternoon at 3 or 4 o'clock so do you think that they will have time to go to a job that's going to give them enough money to buy energy and have enough time to play this game? I am sure that parents will not allow them to play this game in the dead of the night

You don't even need a part time job. If you have 2$, you can buy 750CE, which is enough to cover the costs of crafting a 4* item. If you don't have 2$, I pity you.
If you do get a job, there is always tommorow to play the game. OOO is not expecting you to do everything in one day. Go work at Walmart or something and come home with 20$, then buy the starter pack the next day.

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 11:24

#12

Fraxur

wfawwer, I have much more

wfawwer, I have much more than $2 in cash but I do not have a credit card and I do not live in the USA. So I don't think I will be able to make purchases with credit cards or paypal or whatever in a country that does not know this game well. I am not an adult yet and my parents will definitely reject me buying "useless" things in a game with real money whether I got it from a job or not. If they did not reject me, I would jump off the top of a 50 storey building right now.

And anyways, all those I mentioned are merely suggestions, you people don't need to be so aggressive about it.

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 11:41

#13

Nonamekm

sorry but the starter pack

sorry but the starter pack thing is a horrible idea. I have only paid $0.75 and I'm in all 5 star gear, and still crafting different 5 star gear regardless of the "absurd" crafting fees (which i happen to find to be completely reasonable). you can easily play this game f2p if u choose to, if you have a problem with that then pay.

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 12:19

#14

Fraxur

Yes, you crafted all your 5*

Yes, you crafted all your 5* weapon just by playing the game but that's because the energy needed was lower. And once you got into you 5* gear, T1 and T2 will becomes a bit easier and you could get loads of crowns by going for JK and T3, and you can use it to buy energy. I don't know anything about T3 because I currently have 3* gears with a 2* shield so I don't have the requirements yet but every single on of my JK runs give me enough crowns to buy energy. But I am sure that by running T3 you can at least get enough crowns to buy 200 CE. So hopefully, when I get to T3, I am not going to mind the energy prices too much.

and still crafting different 5 star gear regardless of the "absurd" crafting fees (which i happen to find to be completely reasonable). How the hell is that ever reasonable? Players use to pay 300 CE to craft a 5* weapon, but now it's 800CE. It's a 500 CE jump! Players who do not pay or cannot pay will have to wait several days to be able to upgrade their 4* gear. I do not find this reasonable and I am pretty sure that many other players find this unreasonable too.

I have absolutely no problem to play this game F2P as I don't generally spend too much time on this game.

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 13:56

#15

Vlad

Had enough.

EliteChamp, Three Rings will only take suggestions when a handful of people, not from one a troll complaining that he's too poor and can't afford anything.
It's three to one boy, you've been defeated.

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 14:44

#16

Wfawwer

Get your facts straight-

If you don't spend too much time on this game, why bother raging about it on the forums?

And also, the recipe costs have been lowered by... 25000 crowns! Thats enough to buy 500CE!
I declare this thread closed.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 07:56

#17

Fraxur

I did not complain that I was

I did not complain that I was too poor, I am perfectly happy with playing any game as long as it can be played freely.

I did not rage about it. In case you did not notice, the forum's subject is suggestion to guild halls and starter pack. I did not say that this must be done and the reason why I don't spend too much time on this game is that I need energy to craft so I can only travel one time, get myself enough crowns to buy 100CE and wait for the ME meter to recharge again so I can get another 100CE to craft.

Ok, seems like no one likes the idea. Fine, I give up. I think I will no longer reply to this forum.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 05:55

#18

Brandermau

Legacy Username

Best wishes

I see your argument here, and I expect many other people would too. The energy price hikes only really affect players who were unable to craft all their 5* gear when the prices were cheaper. Unfortunately that is just how game development works sometimes. Those players who started earlier got the most benefit. This benefit can be applied to CE prices as well, older players were playing this game when CE was only like 3k per 100 and so they got a lot more profit off their runs. The earlier you get in on something generally the more benefit you will get before things get worse. I was a p2p player but I recently stopped due to the crafting increases. True, it is more difficult for players coming in now or that didn't have their 5* gear to craft, it takes more time than it did before, and even if you were to pay it takes more money to cover the CE prices. The point is that now it just takes more time, if you want to play this game for free just plan on it taking more time to achieve progress, at least until (and if) the developers decide to do something about the prices. Its unfair, but that's just how it is, the developers wanted to make the game more difficult, and they have, they wanted to make more money, and they are. Best of luck and don't lose hope.

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