Spiral Knights - RSS/ISB Memorial ingame meeting

RSS/ISB Memorial ingame meeting

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Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:51

Sirusswan

I would like to call all bombers or anyone who loved the now dead RSS/ISB to please meet with me in the garden area on Saturday August 11th at 3:00pm EST

I would like to get a group screenshot to show OOO just how many people have been slighted by this change (many I am sure).

The fact that OOO is now giving out UV tickets is because the know many player did not like this change.

Today we have lost:

A whole bombing playstyle.
A great bomb
Over half of the original RSS damage output against single targets
A counter to polaris spam in lockdown.
An elemental damage bomb.
The last spilt special damage weapon.
The fastest bomb, bar none.
A bomb for turrets,zombies and trojans.

In return we get a want-to-be DBB/nitro that sucks in comparison.

Please join me and ask everyone who feels the same way to join.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:02

Ranzoh

Cool, enjoy your tickets

Cool, enjoy your tickets secretly though while maintaining your honor and such. Just kidding. You might be serious. But I doubt you would give up tickets or protest others to give theirs up to get your bomb rolled back to the way it was.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:04

Sirusswan

I will post a video of me

I will post a video of me dumping all my tickets if you all attend.

That is a promise.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:07

Acck

In Spirit

I will be with you in spirit to support you.

Have to work at that time, because if I don't I won't have money for OOO.

Wait, what, no, I will not be giving OOO another red cent.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:17

Aumir

Same as Acck

Can't be on, have to do things outside this game. And yeah, I will keep being f2p forever and ever, now without any doubts nor regrets.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:21

Murex

RIP RSS

Garden area in which Haven?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:24

Yukarie

RIP RSS

Pick a Haven and I'll try to be there.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:35

The-Rawrcake

OOO does not care. Like,

For the next few days, the ragers will be the ones that speak the loudest. It sucks, we see it a lot, but we realize that it tends to be petty things such as someone bumping a dead petition thread or even the overusage of capital letters. In the end, OOO will see that these petitions and complaints are merely just the few that are expressing their anger.

Until these people learn that their feedback can be taken more seriously without so much drama, you can expect the pro-old shard bomb community to get themselves absolutely nowhere. This thread is an example of dramatic feedback simply expressing emotions rather than actual thoughts: you are having a "memorial".

An example of emotion > logic in this thread: "The fact that OOO is now giving out UV tickets is because they know many player did not like this change." The true reason that they are handing out UV tickets is because they are removing the old shard bomb from your inventory; they have to reimburse you somehow for the time and money you spent crafting or buying the bomb. Because you are losing the UVs on your old bomb (I think you get a piercing bomb reimbursement as well), they decided to give us UV tickets.

OOO does not care about these drama / emotion expressing threads. Like, honestly here.

Old shard bombs aren't what they intend for bombers as they said themselves. They intend that bombers in a group are supposed to be for AoE damage / contol. Not sniping things with a range greater than any gun / OHKOing an unlucky melee-swiping monster.

OOO also said that they realize that this change will affect people and make them mad. As you have seen, many people have anger-clouded posts and feedback which are difficult to take seriously. But they are going through with the change anyway for the game as a whole and not for the few people that were overly attached to the old shard bombs.

How do you counter this and show them that they actually made a mistake? Screaming and crying, huh? No. Use logic and prove them wrong.

I would personally love to make a giant, juicy post that is pro-bringing the old shard bombs back. It would be very fun, but the issue is that I am observing how childish the pro-old shard bomb community is acting and I don't feel like I want to anymore. I would just waste my time.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:26

Artistbma

Aegis Team created a video

Aegis Team created a video montage which will be posted eventually.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:28

Softhead

GFTO OLD RSS

I never really like any versions of the Shard lines.

So eh.

I may see how this unfolds, but eh.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:47

#10

Ranzoh

Well thanks for also

Well thanks for also indirectly calling me emotional and furtively the only stupid one that didn't get the message about the UV tickets. Eff uh too. Seriously though, I need some data on people that were here during the update and if they used a lot of their ce. I can't be the only one who thought there was a cap of 1 ticket for only one bomb each. Do you understand how unclear it was in the first update? I can't believe a lot of people understood that translated to unlimited tickets. And if that was also directed towards me(even if unrelated to the bomb ragers or inclusive), can you even comprehend the lifetime it takes to get that many tickets? But I get your logic, I didn't know that they would take out other people's RSS that they already own, possibly with UVs, possibly good ones. But they never stated that for everybody in the first update, it is only assumed. Here's what I'm hating about that. The profit gains and losses that I'll lose. I will assume everyone else had all the information in order and not call them stupid or rather ignorant. Still in-game communication wouldn't have killed their competition.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:46

#11

Trying

Tell me one person that liked the old ISB.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:30

#12

Doctorspacebar

For the next few days, the

Bumping a dead thread is not 'petty', no matter how much you gripe about it. It has our arguments mixed in, and even some legit suggestions to at least make the new bomb better.

It is pretty dramatic. I admit, this isn't helping our cause.

And DAs hitting a larger combined area than Nitronome was intended?

Few, you say. How about every bomber that ever faced a Greaver?

How do you counter this and show them that they actually made a mistake? Screaming and crying, huh? No. Use logic and prove them wrong.

Which we've been doing. Granted, some of us have been screaming and crying; gunners would have done the same with a Blitz nerf, and swordies would have done the same with a DA nerf.

Childish, huh? Yeah, because I certainly never offered any honest feedback or ideas for improvement. Nope, we're all little 5 year old babies that whine and cry all day. Seriously, what ticked us off is, Nick listened to our feedback in the Testing Feedback forum (as is evident from the Heat Booster room), and had all this great feedback, and... never acted on it. Please stop with the generalizations, Rawrcake.

We can handle turrets. We can handle Trojans and Deadnaughts. We can handle Devilites. We can even handle the Twins, though it may take some time. But the fact is, Bombers have no options when a Greaver suddenly pops out of nowhere. We don't have a basic attack like swordies and gunners; gunners can pop an Alchemer shot and Swordies can swipe with the BTB, but Bombers have to charge and lay a bomb. DR stops them, but does little damage; gives the Greavers lots of time to get lucky and any Devilites or Howlitzers (common Greaver's companions) ample time to snipe us. VT lingers a while, giving us some leeway, but it doesn't work on Shock Greavers, and has a larger Charge Time that will give other Greavers plenty of time to maul a bomber. Shiver stops them, but doesn't interrupt their attack, and has that same Charge Time. Vortex stops them, but has a slow walk. Did I mention a group of three Greavers will likely have staggered attacks, giving us all of one second to retaliate to each Greaver, rendering every one of these counters moot? Your shield won't survive that.

We HAD RSS, which charged and exploded fast, spreading damage to interrupt the little buggers. If you had it ready, you could survive a group of three or even four or five Greavers. Now, instead, we have a bomb with a slow fuse time that has the same problems the others did. You'll probably say "just bring a gun" or "just bring a sword". But wait! That means we have a weapon that won't benefit from any of our bonuses, that we PROBABLY won't use on most enemies. Swordies rarely have to bring a gun or bomb. Gunners rarely have to bring a sword or bomb. Why are we any different?

It's certainly not Hello Kitty Island Adventures. It's more like Super Mario Frustration now.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:03

#13

Tersakaff

You can dump your tickets on me. ;)

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:08

#14

Acck

Not Childish

Rawr,

I do not think it childish at all to express frustration over a massive mid-stream change.
I paid good CE, Heat, Time(money), and Money for the bomb I had, now i do not have that bomb.
My sports car has been turned into a unicycle, and yeah, I'm mad.

Maybe OOO should make the Blitz normal dmg only, and cut it's range in half.
Maybe OOO should make the DA piercing only, and cut it's range in half.
Maybe OOO should make the Polris normal dmg only and lose the explosions.
Maybe OOO should make the Winmillion piercing only and lose the energy discs.

Heck while we are at it, let's replace all the weapons with flowers and pollen each other to death.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:18

#15

The-Rawrcake

If a gunner complains about a

If a gunner complains about a Blitz Needle nerf with how overpowered it is atm, then I agree. Gunners would also complain and rage and cry about their wittwe itty bitty bwitz getting a wittwe nerf and I would be at their throats as well.

As for Nick not reading the testing feedback, there was in fact some rage (You can agree, specifically) and there was in fact some good arguments pro-old shards. I apologize for making that generalization of all who support the old shard bombs. But there were also arguments pro-new shards (my thread) and just because Nick chooses one side in the end doesn't mean he completely ignored the other's arguments.

If you are saying you are upset that Nick didn't bring back the old shard bombs, there were arguments on both sides. For my personal test feedback thread about why I thought the new shard bombs were necessary, a few people saw where I was going, agreed, then turned their time and energy onto ideas to buff the new shard bombs. The fact that this was in the process of almost being developed tells you that no, the old shard bombs would never stay the second we saw these changes on the test server.

If you are saying you are upset that Nick ignored the feedback and didn't buff the new shard bombs, then yes. I definately agree, and I am mad that Nick didn't buff them: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/61849

"But wait! That means we have a weapon that won't benefit from any of our bonuses, that we PROBABLY won't use on most enemies. Swordies rarely have to bring a gun or bomb."

I know many swordsman that just about always carry a Polaris or something when doing something serious. Most gunners carry a piercing sword for Greavers.

As for your Greaver argument: It isn't the lack of a bomb for it. It is the monster. The monster is the one that needs changed (nerfed) in this case if bombers are unable to kill them with a bomb.
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@Acck, what you just posted is very childish. That is rage, emotions clouding your post. We understand that you are upset, but that doesn't mean you are allowed to lash out at other weapons and super-nerf them just for "revenge" and because "it is fair" and you "didn't get your way" to keep the old bombs. You are being reimbursed a new bomb as well as a variant ticket in order to help you out financially. You will not get the UV you want most likely, and the fact that you could be losing great UVs would be a good argument.

Instead of proposing the suggestion of making all weapons flowers, you could have spent your time supporting a thread that wants to buff the new shard bombs.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:21

#16

Acck

Question for you Rawr

What is favourite weapon?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:25

#17

Xairathan

How did this get from an RSS meeting to a [Female dog] please argument?

And yep, I'll be there. Might even give out a few things to celebrate the passing of the greatest threat to recons since the Final Flourish.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:26

#18

The-Rawrcake

Iron Slug."Next question for

Iron Slug.

"Next question for you Rawr, what if you lost it and it became something completely different?"

I would make a thread using logic and let OOO know and understand why them making the Iron Slug whatever they made it is not the best choice and that they should then instead simply add an Iron Slug in addition to the new Iron Slug with a few tweaks so it isn't "gamebreaking" or anything.

I will do the same for the shard bombs right now.

What would I not do, you ask?

I wouldn't turn this into a [Female dog] please argument, as Xair put it, by asking this question. I would instead do something about it without any rage.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:33

#19

Acck

limitless time and funding

Must be nice to have limitless time and funding Rawr.
Some of us budget ourselves.
When the thing we scrimped and saved to craft, heat, and uv becomes something else, no amount of logic can combat OOO's reasoning for the change.

Nick appears to have used no actual logic for the change, so a response in kind is all that is available.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:34

#20

Wodanct

I am afraid at this point the

I am afraid at this point the damage is already done. The new bombs are terrible, we can even see using them now they have major flaws that needed to be fixed before releasing them. It wouldn't be so bad if they made the RSS bombs pure elemental but they decided to turn peoples undead bomb into a pure pierce bomb trying to force people to make the new elemental shard line. (Also on your note they never removed the bombs, just changed them to the new bombs and gave people the tickets)

Even though people could make the new line if they wished to give Three Rings more money after this.. there is still the fact that the bombs are horribly bugged imo. Using the bomb for about 10 minutes in FSC to check out its new piercing damage I know that the bomb throws enemies everywhere and the shards like to suddenly vanish when running into a wall or enemy. Sad to say that most of my friends that have been bombers at some time still hate this update.. one of them even raged off of SK while only being on for 10 minutes to see what happened to her use to be awesome Undead High RSS.

The longer it takes to fix this probably the more people will be "damaged" by this update. Some people don't care, some don't use RSS, some only looked for their personal gain, and some probably like the idea because their wonderful skolver clone LD setup is back to not being rivaled but Three Rings does need to pay attention to what people suggest.

This is how it should of gone imo.
1. Fix the bugs that bomb has (shards shouldn't vanish on LD control points, when hitting a wall or enemy, etc)

2. Make RSS the full elemental bomb instead of expecting people to craft a whole new line of bombs. You could of simply removed the Very High Fiend and shoved it on whatever other bomb would become the full pierce bomb. Most people used RSS for undead/FSC anyway.

At this point the whole thing is just a bait and switch in my eyes and probably a few others eyes. They could of changed RSS, but they could of did it so much better than making it a full pierce bomb that is even more buggy then its old version.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:36

#21

Dukeplatypus

@Trying

I liked the old ISB, but purely in a hipster sense. For the same reason I still break out my Iron Slug once in a blue moon. Of course, I have nothing against the new ISB either.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:40

#22

Grandtheftgnome

I will try to be in

I will try to be in attendance

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:50

#23

Small-Irish-Eyes

Question to bombers :/

I never owned a rss being a gunner/ sword hybrid player, but in parties, I saw it was godly in FSC and undead/ fiend areas. But I'm wondering, has anyone tried the new pure elemental shard bombs? by how The new bombs work, it might work better than rss in some situations. Slags were never known to be fast but they chase you down. This means by the time you kite them and place the bomb, the cluster should cage them in. Also, this is the first day, the huge nerf, it is usually overdone to exaggerate any disadvantages. I'm sure that the devs will balance delays, damage, and speed to reclaim the weapons former glory. If they never do that, then spam me the rage. Later, tactics for the disgraced bomb will be made and greavers will cry. I try to look on the bright side on things, even if a bomb tactic went to shambles. Its was a weapon of mass destruction, but a new one was created. Most don't realize that when a good weapon is removed, an equally good or even better one is added, but people rage over the fact they lost an old tactic and don't see the potential. This is true for any game. So here is the final question to all the bombers out there. Will you spend time on forums asking devs to revert the bomb, or will you go to the nearest training hall and make this new bomb the best out there. All change is good, it just needs to time to get better :)

P.S.: if you see no tactic is possible, please contact me. I may have no sense in fashion, but I have a few ideas to dominate greavers with the new bomb. ;)

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:48

#24

Wodanct

Also I'm going to mention the

Also I'm going to mention the other thing that my friend said that made her rage off... Three Rings letting people abuse the 1 bomb = 1 ticket thing. What made it even worse was when GM Hyperion confirmed it on the forums giving everyone the green light to go rage craft crystals bombs for extremely cheap UV tickets. I myself am guilty for buying about 10 bombs off of the AH... but I in no way expected people to abuse it to the extremes of having over 100 UV tickets and then being allowed to get away with it.

We can only hope that Three Rings fixes the problems that have been brought up with these new bombs today and do something about letting people getting away with abusing the systems.. but I am constantly reminded about how petty the world is these days and people take every unfair advantage they can get.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:50

#25

Sirusswan

Lets all meet in haven 1 at

Lets all meet in haven 1 at the stated time.

@Rawcake denounce raging and dramatic posts all you like, they bring more attention to the stated issue. More attention makes OOO more likely to at least respond to us.

PS: Going to throw away my tickets as soon as I get them and record it.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:55

#26

Zeddy

That'd be 7PM GMT?

I'll try to be there.

While I'm as miffed about losing the very reason I've been playing SK for more than a couple of weeks, I think it'd be remiss if I didn't mention that I dispose of greavers and fiends otherwise just fine with DBB. Just kite them in circles and shieldbump a little. Sure, it's nowhere near the ez-town that is swiping them with a BTB, but I wouldn't say bombers are chanceless against them.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 11:18

#27

Acck

in Memorium

Everyone should wear their darkest outfit.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 13:43

#28

Tersakaff

"Everyone should wear their darkest outfit."
I agree. XD

What's the time in PST? :O

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 13:59

#29

Yukarie

3PM EST == Noon PST.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 16:32

#30

Sirusswan

Please help me spread the

Please help me spread the word about this meeting. The more we can consolidate the message that we do not like the RSS change, the more likely OOO will listen.

We stopped the whole shadow key debacle

We saved RSS once before.

We can bring back RSS.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 16:39

#31

Tersakaff

In numbers? lol

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 16:51

#32

President-Trump

August 11th at 3:00pm EST

what is the equivalent date in Australia, i'm confused when usin that timezone converter.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 20:28

#33

Murex

@ Materialist

Which timezone do you use?

Edit: lol... It's Sunday 12, 4 am for me.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 20:19

#34

Pokenuevo

I'll make sure to go in the brightest colors I got.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 20:40

#35

Sirusswan

Just going to leave this here

Just going to leave this here to show that I am serious about all this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtDcIm6Y0c&feature=youtu.be

I use up my tickets and toss out the weapon(I rolled ASI VH on a flourish) I used them on.

Please do not attempt to "compensate" me OOO.
I would really like my RSS back.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 00:53

#36

Tersakaff

PST time in numbers? :(
12 PM?
Shoot, I might miss part of it then. Dinner around that time.
There's also the judging for the fashion part in the olympics 2 hours later.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 01:22

#37

President-Trump

omg asi vh i saw

so lucky D:

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 12:23

#38

Sirusswan

The event is now happening at

The event is now happening at haven 1.

Please come should your support and share your memories of the old RSS/ISB.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 14:09

#39

Lemonadium

RIP RSS

Our little funeral party turned into herding snipes. Snipe BBQ for attendees I guess.

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 14:22

#40

Artistbma

15 snipes!

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:06

#41

Diamondshreddie

butuhm

Well, you said all bombers and any others that loved the old bomb.

I've always been A dedicated bomber, and I love the new shards, just need a few tweaks is all.

I just broke the qualification criteria :D

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:59

#42

Tersakaff

Shoot, I forgot about it and missed it! D:
Anybody took pics?

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 12:25

#43

Orangeo

I could have sworn I made a

I could have sworn I made a comment on here saying that I would attend in spirit. Whateva'

"I would make a thread using logic and let OOO know and understand why them making the Iron Slug whatever they made it is not the best choice and that they should then instead simply add an Iron Slug in addition to the new Iron Slug with a few tweaks so it isn't "gamebreaking" or anything."

That's been tried. Many times. OOO dosen't care, if they responded to logic the thought of nerfing RSS wouldn't have come into their head in the first place. Why nerf a four star weapon for being too gunlike, when we have the five star trollaris gun that is obviously too bomb like? I know, let's make it so the pulsar shoots out the same projectiles that the current RSS launches! Seems fair. Am I using more emotion than logic? No, I'm using about the same I think. I'm not feeling rage though, I'm just feeling disgust.

OOO isn't trying anymore. I think they kinda consider the game "done" aside from new missions with remakes of old monsters, and promos using armor that already exists painted green. They could probabaly just fire anyone who does graphics right now, if they haven't allready, as long as they've got someone there who knows how to swap textures. Whatever, I haven't played since the nerf.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 13:09

#44

Tersakaff

"OOO isn't trying anymore. I think they kinda consider the game "done" aside from new missions with remakes of old monsters, and promos using armor that already exists painted green. "

I couldn't disagree more.

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