It seems today in LD that bombing has become ineffective and only a route to loss. This has been due to bombs being nerfed and there effectings being changed. I really think that bombs need to be the most powerful weapon in the game due to the fact that they are already hard to use because bombs don't take effect of autoaim mode regardless if it was on or off.
There is really no point to bombs now and I hope that they will he made extra powerful
No. Just no. Scroll back a few pages and find the thread about whether or not bombing is obsolete offensively. Bombs in LD are fairly useless if you're after high damage, but that is far, far, far from meaning that they're completely useless. LD is not deathmatch, it's not a race for damage, no matter how much strikers like to believe it is.
@Gopluffer: useless in pve? You've clearly never spent any time around a real bomber. Go try it out, then come back and talk.
Striker bomber ftw - fav bomb is the Nitro!!!!
Well I know gopluffer is a realnbomber I don't think you are DarkBrady. Bombs need to be more offeneive so they can be effective in LD. I would really like to see this be changed
It's your prerogative to be wrong, but feel free to use the search though; I've made plenty of posts in the past on large bomb threads, including making videos for people such as yourself who think that bombs can't be used. I know what I'm talking about, and Gop is being far too vague, implying that bombs are useless overall, which partially stems from the childish notion that damage records are all that counts in LD. Bombs can no longer make exceptional dps weapons due to the nerf, which I have plentifully expressed my disagreement with, but that doesn't mean they can't be used incredibly effectively. You just have to get over the fact that you won't deal a lot of damage, and start thinking about the uses that aren't recorded; area denial, status spread, player hold up, CP protection, debuffs so your dps teammates can work easier etc etc
And the notion that they can't be used effectively in pve is just plum wrong~
What darkbrady said is correct, however I'd still like to see bombs receive some kind of buff... namely the shard bombs, which should be more usable.
I quit playing LD after the Murder of Shard Bombs. I may later try again, but Darkbrady is right: bombs now must be seen as serving a purpose other than damage machine in LD. But I LOVED being a damage machine, hitting 14k damage without trying too hard.
As for bombs being useless in PvE, I also agree with Darkbrady: if you think PvE bombs are useless, you haven't seen a real bomber at work. I still do tons of PvE bombing. Mad Bomber plus Dark Briar Barrage is the way to win any beast level in record time. Status support make arenas and most danger missions a breeze. DBB takes down gremlins fairly easily. And I can even handle pretty much all slimes (except massive lichen colonies) without much problem by using Nitro, AoA, and VT. So yeah, Bombs rock. They really do. Wish OOO would show bombs some more love, but we aren't done yet.
If you want to be able to deal large amounts of damage in LD, try using a bomb/sword or bomb/gun combo. My T2 LD loadouts are something like this. (Remembering off the top o' my head here.)
Recon: Antigua and Twisted Spine Cone
Guardian: Flamberge and Dark Reprisal Mk II
Striker: Shockburst Brandish/Frostburst Brandish and Antigua
I'll only discuss the Recon and Guardian loadouts because the Striker one doesn't have a bomb.
Recon: The TSC is a great recon bomb due to it's quick charge time and short fuse. You can quickly uncloak, drop one, and hide again. The antigua is a decent damage weapon and also causes people the flinch.
Guardian: I optimized this one for tanking. The DRM2 makes a tight circle around the user, making the whole area around him almost denied to shorter ranged strikers. Anyone foolish enough to walk in it is flinch-locked and then hit with a toothpick at the same time. The bomb is also great for protecting others, giving ample time to heal them.
If you don't have the DLC pack: I haven't experimented trying the guardian without the DRM2 yet. As of what I can guess, the Graviton/Electron Charge bombs look decent, or even the new shard bombs. I haven't tried much, yet, so please take that last sentence with some salt.
TL;DR: (Because some people can't read a few paragraphs) Be creative. Mix and match weapons to your play style. If you must keep with bombs, focus on ones that let you cap for now until bombs get a buff. (If/when that happens, anyway)
Area denial: HAZE IT AND BLAST IT!
Sucker punching? Haze + Shards combo (shard time really can throw someone off)
Looking to lay a web of destruction? Haze + Toothpick
DR and all variants suffer significantly due to invinciframes, so if you're gonna lay that thing, shock your opponent and attempt to get em in the bomb when they 'tick'.
Really depends on how you run though. I've seen stun used effectively enough that strikers get ticked at it's user.
Haha I remember one day I was bombing freezing and fiery vaporisers and got 0 dmg I was so angry so I sold them and now I need the freezing vap for upgrading to shivermist buster coz of vana Lol
Gave up because of danage? I've had some of my best scores with 0~<1k damage before c.c
Regrettably, haze bombing is frequently redundant due to skolvers running around with triple max UVs. Particularly Shock and Stun. So yeah, my newly crafted Voltaic Tempest is almost useless in t3, and I can't afford the same kind of UVs myself.
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I guess it's time to start using Shocking Salt...
I carry five hazes around. Idc how decked in UVs they are, I'll find whichever one they're not immune to. Even just dropping VV has a profound effect in LD as very few have resistances and most tend to not avoid it, getting themselves poisoned. Great for team battles. Also great fun to drop VV in Stadium/Mines when everyone flocks to the heartpads~
Although VT will never go out of style. Even though some might have immunity, others are forced to wear quicksilver or simply don't have resistances. Fct is, that 90% of people will avoid VT hazes, and the ones with immunity won't, letting you immediately know who they are, and to use different hazes for them. Mind you, I also tend to just cycle through and drop all four at once so anyone who does run in gets landed with at least something, if not everything. Shocked, stunned, poisoned people who're on fire die fast :D
Nitro still the best bomb evah. GET OFF MY POINT YOU KIDS!
imHHo Bombers could use an third stat like gunnies and swordies like ASI like DSI (Detonation speed increase) so that its far harder to walk (esp boost) out of the unfortunately denoted blast radius.
Though I am sure this has been brought up before ad-nauseum in many different threads.
My2c
~Luke
gotta go with blueflood on this one. except i called mine "strike-bomber", all those guys standing out side my haze spamming polaris never guess i got a flourish with me. i think ive said this b4 somewhere, in evenly matched LD games, the side with the bombs wins. u can also think of bombs as a support class weapon, u can sacrifice ur own dps to increase everyone elses. and i just love it when im up against a team that has no freeze immunities, SHIVER TIME!!!!(that'll teach all those vog noobs to get skolver...) and theres only a handful of ppl with complete resistance to my prime bombing loadout.
and pve bombing is fricken awesome!!!!!!! drop a bomb here and there and after the dust settles turn up ur volume and let the crown gathering sfx train roar!!!
i think ive said this b4 somewhere, in evenly matched LD games, the side with the bombs wins
As true as that is, it's often not recognised because people just look at the record tables, where bombers get notoriously bad results. But aye, in fair teams, a bomber in the mix can really shift the ratio. Once had a game in Frostbite where we had three bombers on our teams. None of us got any scores that made us look like we ever left the locker room, but not a single one of the CPs was ever left unmolested. Fun match.
@ Lookhandkooler I would hope this has been brought up before, though I'm too lazy to search the threads. they could simply just make it the ASI for bombs. I was actually shocked when I found out bombs didn't have ASI.
Srsly, do we need to get back into this bomb-ASI thing again?
No, don't even bother. Go search/read the thread in suggestions to see a whole debate on why it's utterly pointless and counter-productive to add ASI anywhere that it can reach bombs.
Attack speed for bombs how it currently affects them is not necessarily selfish to ask for, but so minimally helpful that it has little to no contribution as an offensive effect.
Imagine being able to get +0.5 attack speed bonus for swords after getting +6 by using a seventh +1 attack speed. Not particularly noticeable, but still there. It still does something, just not something everyone necessarily will want or notice; especially if it means sacrificing certain equipment slots to get that tiny bonus (using Swiftstrike instead of BTShield as a sword user, using Fallen instead of an SDemo line as a bomber, etc.).
Maybe we could get more utility equipment like this.
Yeah, I've only used DBB and the haze bombs so my 2c prolly dont belong here.
*Returns ch'i to OP's thread*
~Luke
I saw that in my SK time most nerds are of bombs and making them DRASTICALLY ineffective in LD and in PvE