My 2cents:

I understand Sega wishes to make money, but seriously I do not understand why they just won't help promote this game and develop actual playable content for this game. The last big update I think we had this year was the Tortodrone event which lasted two weeks if you missed out on the event you pretty much came back to the same game with a bunch of re-skins costumes, a few new accessories, and a few new re-skinned (pets, guns, etc.). I mean it is great that I can now wear a swimsuit and use a super soaker to kill Vana, but I mean at this point and time he been pretty much the same end-game content I been killing for 3+ years.

Perro & many others that I know who are in Eos pretty much feel the same we don't care that they are pushing promo after promo since in reality we just won't buy into the promos if we don't like them, but we are all pretty much sad that Promos seem to be the #1 priority of this game instead of actual content. As far as real money going into this game I am pretty sure Eos has given the most money to Sega + Three Rings, and when I can easily say we spent in total at most 1.5k the past two promos well that is saying something since well most of the time we would have just two players spending close to that amount per promo if they really liked it.

I know the boxes have changed, and what not and you can say yay you are getting more boxes thus less spending, that is a valid point, but then again most of our big spenders rather not waste their money on promos knowing in the next two weeks we will have a new promo.....two weeks after that another one (Most of them will be re-skins of items we already have or just might throw in old items from past promos which were 60% drop rate n make them 9% drop).

Short-Version:

Please give us actual playable content if you wish to just push promo after promo it is great that my knight has a new costume every two weeks, but its pretty lame he has to waste his new outfit killing the same monsters and running the same clockwork levels....(which he been running for the past 3+ years). Spice up the clockworks, create new bosses, new mini-bosses, new anything which isn't buyable-content & most people will be happy.

Ps:

Yellow Snipes and all those other colored snipes add them to the Birdsong Emporium already!

@Retequizzle

Am I really so bad? Really?

@Njthug

I think personally, you are running into the same wall as Draycos, who sadly left us a few weeks ago :(. I can see that you and him share the same trait, you two both urges to see changes happen, both in the game as well as in the gamers, but please, sometimes, changes come with time, but perhaps, it is better off with no changes at all. And also, if I was the OOO developer, I would never listen to some guy typing behind the computer tell me how to make my game, and I certainly wouldn't care how many Pros and Cons you listed. It is my game, you play it, if you like it, you pay some money to support it, end of story.

LEAVE THE GAME BE, OOO WILL WORK IT OUT.

Content Rant
Have any of you actually seen the gunner update ? As a game developer myself I can say it's absurd that it's taking almost a year now to finish it. I mean, have they ever heard of how to reuse already existing code ? If so the update should have been out when it was planned in November. It doesn't take long to make models for guns and it certainly doesn't take long to basically copy and past the same code, modify a bit of it and swap in the new model for the gun.

^ that is for everyone saying "maybe OOO needs more man power"

Also for those who are going to say : "Well they might have other content releases in there too like the new boss, new missions and arcade redux. They also done promos with new content bla bla".

So you mean that, it takes a year so write new AI for a boss mechanic ? I could write 1 line of code lets say 15 minutes and be done by the end month with time to spare. And any programmer worth a damn writes a ton more. (just fyi, that'd be 2880 lines of code in a normal 30 day month). There's already available map generation code available for reuse in new dungeon's, just modify it. All boss levels are pre-mapped any ways which doesn't even require code... So you got a new boss AI, new dungeon's, gunner update and that's like lets we also throw in new monster AI so lets that's say a few months tops. Also can't really say anything about the arcade redux because so far all we've gotten for it are the barriers and buffs for the knights which should take a laughable amount of time to program.... otherwise since I don't really know the extent of the update I cannot really comment on how long it should take.

-Grinch was essentially gremlins and a new mapped place.... only the boss had different behaviour.
-Anniversary event did have new content, kudos.
-Torto event probably had a ton of code back from which to work with from back in the beta.
-AND our last event iirc which required actual man power was apocrea which didn't require much code in my opinion really cause it's mostly new maps, rekins and there's just 2 new monsters...

also a reskin for me is a weapon which holds the same behaviour as another but may or may not have another damage type of status attached to it than the original so for those that might say, apocrea wasn't a rekskin event well it is for me.

Promo Rant

So lets talk about promo's now and to be quite frank, I couldn't care less about them. They can be there or not be there. From a business stand point, yes they do bring in lots of money but so would DLC's and other items which could be added for money(adding an option to buy them with energy also removes that whole BS concept of content existing which is just for pay to win people which would make others mad, items such as the forge pass which paintool suggestion or depot only weapons).

Overall however I do think that OOO does reuse resources in promo's(especially coding ones) and that may be a cheaper and less resource intensive alternative to make money, but then you'd ask where's the resources which are being conserved going cause they don't really seem to be going into the actual content updates.

I want more DLC like OCH, but from what I've heard, promo boxes don't effect the content updates, so I don't think they hurt anyone. I would just prefer more new stuff, like the books of rage. Weapon/armor reskins are cool too.

@Fyedka

Why is this relevant?

@Glacies/Aphrodite

Yes yes, there's nothing wrong with a nice Thursday release.

now that perro has his icepack:

Why is this relevant?

the fact that you're choosing to ask this not only answers your question earlier about whether or not you're "really so bad" as i asserted with the few things i did say, but it also just shores up the foundation of the belief that you (more often than not) genuinely don't know what you're talking about

but i'll break it down for you

it is relevant because if you're going to constantly critique the staff's decisions as if your opinion mattered, and then simultaneously say you would ignore what people are talking about on the other end of the computer screen (which for the record, i would pay to see you do since you've yet to prove you have that level of restraint) then that leaves one of two possibilities:

a) you're openly admitting that your opinion as a player is invalid and that you're wasting your time now, thus making you an idiot
b) that you're getting upset with the staff for doing what you would do if you were in their shoes, thus making you a hypocrite

oh i guess there's the third option:

c) both

for the record, option c is the one i'm actually inclined to go with considering a majority of your posts in this thread alone have said essentially a whole lot of nothing. considering the size of these posts, that's a lot of nothing to account for. but i digress. this leads me to believe that if you do have an opinion on something, you're more inclined to draw it out for as long as possible and just "win" a discussion - for lack of a better term - by going on and on about things that are nigh irrelevant. i don't need to point out examples of this, but we can just go to the first post in the thread and how you harped on one single sentence about speaking for majorities instead of the actual discussion. hell, the fact that we're even discussing you as opposed to the promo at this point serves to inflate that point more than anything, since you're keen on making the discussion about yourself.

now if there's ever going to be a time where you try to prove that you can ignore what someone "types behind the computer screen", i'm going to make a suggestion and say let it be now. or not, if you're really that dead set on defending yourself on points that you led people to ask about.

There isn't much left for me to say here. I think it's all been said with various degrees of finesse. I don't feel as if I'm entitled to any compensation; it was an honest mistake. (Although that isn't saying I wouldn't like compensation. How do you go wrong with no-strings-attached free stuff?)

...I just thought of something else for the art team to do. TO THE SUGGESTIONS FORUM!

So anyway, y'all thinking the Gunner Update will be out by next Wednesday?

well its nice to see that they release the promo and not the content that will come with the promo, i mean who would want to play such content? all what we care its costumes! im glad they released it. probably the content wouldnt worth anyway the time spent. i mean we obviosly want to look sooo fancyyy and fashion! instead playing something new. ;) *wink*

I'm actually very happy for the fact that there was no update this week because quite some of the people playing SK right now have exams so it won't be a very wise move for OOO to announce the update this weeks or next week since people will be too busy having their exams.

So I really hope the update will come 2 weeks later or so,plus raging as never solved any kind of problem in life,by having players raging you are influencing the poor developers who are working so hard for the community. REMEMBER quality update =lots of dedicated time working on it :)

BTW I really like the books and I have the feeling that the books are somehow linked and related to the Owlites,which if it easy that is some sweet detail ;3
it also makes me more excited that we might see some more magic and huge style variations in the next updates of SK X3 .

This thread has salt and sarcasm leaking from every edge of it.
It smells awful in here.

Really.

Why.

Why did you have to make these reskins.

Hey, at least they were semi transparant about the affair this time.
That's like a 50% improvement.

Sorry for the snark in that, but to me that's still the biggest issue that has never been addressed.

*exactly 0* totally new stuff.
I think you're forgetting about the parts that are not guns.
Because those new armor sets are pretty much "totally new" in my book.

New weapons will have new stats switched around, but might have new features to their attack pattern. Armors and helmets get the short end of the stick as they have no direct offensive capabilities(for chaos to be an offensive item, you need a weapon. Shields have a shield bash).

The art is new, the stat setup is new. In my book, that is "totally new". There's only so much you can do with armors and helmets.
Tortodrone shields were totally new in my book as well, as they gave us new stats to work with on shields while also giving a unique(ish) shield bash. Pulsars were totally new when the roarmulus twins came out, as they were new weapons with new a new bullet. In the same respect, quicksilver gear (not just mercurial) was totally new, as it gave us armor that defended against a status mixed with a defense type that had no shock resistance prior.

Our definitions differ.

The reason I point this out is that all of the stats you could possibly want are already in game right now and then some. Since armor does NOT maintain a fine balance that works and promotes use of more than a handful of sets, any and all sets added into the game at this point would be relatively meaningless unless they made some sort of a tradeoff or otherwise did something out of the ordinary.

The best example of this is shadow armor- Dread Skelly Helmet is basically a downgrade from the kat hats, which are in turn basically worse in every way than the black kat cowl. You don't need, and shouldn't need, to get all of these items to be able to beat content. So what if I made another kat cowl? Would that really improve the situation? Maybe it would be the best thing, but that would be power creep and we don't need that.

So if the devs were to release some new gunner armor without considering this, it would either:

A) Make something useless

B) Be useless itself

Lets see, what new gunner armors are we all hoping for... something for FSC:
CTR+Fire+Elemental = conflicts with mask of seerus
CTR+Fire+Shadow = conflicts with armor of the fallen
Damage+Fire+Shadow = Shadowsun is now useless
Damage+Fire+Elemental = Volcanic/Arcane Salamander just took a huge blow; 3 class armors to outclass them easily

There just isn't a way around it, because the developers haven't planned this out for there to be. If anything, they shouldn't be doing a "gunner update" at all-- what we need is an armor/shields+bomber update.