Is this a trend now? To make threads like these near every wed?

Look, you can't expect anything else. Update was predicted in late november 2013. It's only natural that people are getting mad and that they are tired of Constant promo bombing. I'm Also mad, but hey, IF they want to kill this game what could we do?

The only release i'm hoping for is when the games comes out of beta. OOO hurry up!

/sarcasm

I believe I have already discussed this topic. My thoughts can be found here.

actualy they had the most of the guner update already 2013 ready? and all who defend OOO have honestly no clue about all most about how long they need for the armor and guns.
i mean they throw in every week a promo. we had shields and weaps in promos too. so how long did they even take for the armors? just about 1 week maybe less! now don't tell me about balanceing. you say they need money? ok look at all promo items in the ah and think about how much boxes there already bought and how much money this is. (+the most is bound already) they could easy bring the gunner update in cause it was ready a long time ago.
they just don't do it cause they still make tons of money with only promos and thats the fault of the extrem buyers in the community, some of theam spend houndreds of dollars in every promo.
and the worst of all things OOO just don't cares about the community and is lieing to us all the time.
even nick hinted in a post that he just left cause they overdid it with their money milking "No, I left because the dwarves finally dug too deep and I couldn't deal with the balrogs." https://twitter.com/NickPopovich/status/497447809529180160
you know why nick don't realy says all? because it would make the company bad and i honestly think hes not allowed. and the reskin guns for the gunner updates that just have other dmg but not different than archeron from obsidian sword.
I know the most will not believe that and still say they would never do something and still defend theam but let's be honest wake up from your dream world. guys like zaffy laffy and blazzeberry defend OOO in every thread about no new stuff or gunner update or promo box complain threads. but why? you say everytime the same things and everytime 1 posts be patient. the sprites there alot harder than the gunner update.

i said everytime you defend OOO blazzberry. i play since 3 years and no, before nick left they just had sometimes promos not endless without break. i don't have facts? don't you read the post from nick? if you don't realize that it means this i duno if you realize anything.
you ever looked in the spiral knights files? the guns are already since 2013 in the files. maybe they give us the shroom cap 1 day 2 or i saw something that looks like a elephant head. the fact is they use the game JUST for money and thats wrong they don't realy care if the game is actualy good, they just want so much money as possible. the guns are not actualy new they are just polaris, autogun and valiance with other dmg types. a good game should care about the community. what would actual happen if they would be 100% honest with us? now don't get me wrong i don't hate this game i actual love this game, BUT they should do something for the game that will bring theam money not do something that is JUST for money. i saw some guys open about 20 boxes wow OOO made alot money out of theam.if they do the promos and the other things it would be ok like they done in earlyer times before the endless promos happend. i mean a promo was a special thing back in time that happend rarely. and you don't believe they make enough money? honestly just take the last 3 promo items that are in the ah and bound to players and you see that they make alot money. even if a new promo start in the 1 minute already alot players bought many boxes. OOO knows that and take advantage of it. if the game shut down the players have nothing anymore but they still have their tons of money and be happy with it but you know im the rude 1 right?

You seem to be upset. Lemme take apart your posts piece by piece. This is fun! idontknowificanlogic

EDIT: It appears that this format was messy because it's hard to tell what I'm referring to without checking to wolf's posts. Oh well, I'm not going to make it longer.

@post 11
I believe by that you mean that they had the sprites/artstuff ready, which were probably one of the easier things to work out, because once you have them, you're pretty much done. However, you can't say that the gunner update itself was finished last year, because quite recently (a few months ago? i forget) there were testing periods to tweak the gun's performances and gameplay based off of commentary. This also means that they weren't finished with the tweaking and balancing and are trying to do a good job of it.

That is statistically incorrect. They do not have a promo every week, though I will assume this is hyperbole as to not imply anything of your intelligence. Blazzberry is also correct when s/he says that you don't know how much money is made off the promos, as no one here does, and if they do they likely wouldn't be allowed to say. As a result, your statement that they have enough money is invalid, due to not knowing their profits. As well, the art team is separate from the whateveritisyoucalltheteamthatmakestheotherstufflikethegunnerupdate, and if they have spare time, there's nothing wrong with trying to get a little more revenue.

See the above. For those reasons, that is an opinionated statement with no factual basis.

Now, as for caring about the community, I'm going to refrain from speaking on this topic since I'm not from OOO and therefore do not share the same mindset/thoughts/etc.

That is an opinionated statement, and you can take Nick's words for anything. We don't know what he meant, and until further clarification, it is my opinion that we shouldn't decide that something happened when nothing was stated. He may have implied something, or might've been making a joke. I believe, like you, that it is the former, but as I said before, we don't know exactly what he meant.

You are not Nick, or an employee of OOO, so I don't think you can really speak for him. Also, contrary to common comments, the gunner update guns are not reskins, as that would imply that they have the exact same stats and numbers as previously existing weapons with new art. As they have new statuses/damagetype/both as well as new art, it's not really a reskin, by definition.

I don't really know what you're trying to say in your last statement here. It's like, 'ppl defendin ooo wake up is no gud cuz u say sam ting every tim'. Now, personally speaking, I do not believe slander (telling them that they are delusional and not realistic in their arguments and words) should be used as an argument because it can imply that one (person talking) does not have a proper argument to back themselves up with and tries to reassure themselves by putting down the opponents. Though I suppose that might just be some people I know, can't say that for everyone. I haven't really found any hard proof or evidence behind any of your claims either, so y'know. I also don't understand your last statement 'the sprites there alot harder than the gunner update', since I assume you are referring to the sprites in the files, but I do not know what 'alot harder' is supposed to mean. Maybe it's just me.

@post13
As I previously stated they don't endlessly have promos one after another. Please see my replies to your previous comment on Nick's tweet, as well as the one on personal slander.

Dayum, this is one long paragraph. Grammer pls. But anyway, I already commented on the guns in reply to your previous comment.
As for the money, I believe that is correct, to an extent. A lot of businesses want money. You know, that's sorta why a lot of games are made in the first place, so that they can provide a service (the game), and be paid in return. But as for OOO, you don't know that since you're not part of OOO, and that is an opinion with no factual basis.

Well, as I stated earlier, the guns are not reskins, and as a side-note, spoilers involving the upcoming guns are supposed to be restricted to the subforum regarding the testing and stuff.

You say that the game should care about the community, while I don't believe an object can care about people, I dunno, maybe that's your opinion. Well, on a more serious note, the makers of the game have no obligation to care about you. Really, they don't. You don't know if they do, if they don't, if they might or might not. You're making faceless comments here, since they have no basis other than your own opinion, and not facts. You don't know what OOO is thinking, despite your several remarks that they hate us and want money (which is reasonable, since the workers need money to live and eat).

You don't know if something is just for money, since obviously they want to appeal to the community to get money from them, or at least I assume that they want to make something the community wants to buy. Still, like I said before, neither of us is in the position to make any claims about OOO's thoughts as a collective being, or of its individual workers.

I don't think I've bought a box in the more recent way of selling (without energy), but I think it might've been like, $5 a box or so? So, that's like, 100 bucks. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure in one day, that probably won't be enough to pay one of their developers. Or at least I assume, since I am guessing that they have 8 hour workdays, and that their salary is above $12.5 an hour (in the land of maple syrup, I believe minimum wage is $10.2, though in america i'm told it's a bit more than $7). As for the endless promos, please go to one of my previous statements on the matter. Like the one that said that the people making promos (the art team) probably have a lot of spare time, since y'know, they finished their work (gunner update sprites and stuff) before the others finished their side (the balancing and tweaks and stuff).

I don't know much about the AH and its prices (somewhat inactive recently) so I can't really comment here. But y'know, the 'money' (cr/ce) gained from the exchange of that item goes to the players, not to OOO. They only get their flat rate of like (i think) $5, or I think slightly less if you buy more at once. Again, you don't know how much money they make, so you're not in the position to say whether they do or not.

I don't know hard facts about this, but I doubt it. Personally I don't believe that many players will be on and buying just after the promo is added. If I remember right, you have to patch stuff, and y'know, for some people with slow computers (hi) or internet, that can take more than a minute. Along with starting up the game, for some people that's already going over the one minute mark. Not to mention that not everyone who gets on within that one minute will buy the promo.

As for the game shutting down, I think there's a part of the TOS that could help. Now, I'm not saying it does, since I'm not good with this kind of stuff (or much stuff at all), but y'know. here it is.
11. Charges for Service. Three Rings charges an optional fee for services ("Premium Services") for the use of Spiral Knights. The current prices may be found in the Billing System (https://billing.spiralknights.com/billing/). You may be eligible to play for free during a Free Trial or Beta test period. YOUR FEES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND ARE NOT REFUNDABLE IN WHOLE OR IN PART. YOU ARE FULLY LIABLE FOR ALL CHARGES UNDER YOUR ACCOUNT WHETHER OR NOT AUTHORIZED BY YOU. If your use of Spiral Knights is subject to any use, sales or other taxes, or if Three Rings offers any additional services for a fee as noted on the Site and you choose to partake in such additional fee-services, then Three Rings may also bill you for any such charges, which will be in addition to the rates noted here. Three Rings reserves the right to change its fees and billing methods at any time effective thirty (30) days after notice of the changes are posted on the Site. You are responsible for regularly reviewing these Terms to obtain timely notice of such changes. If any such change is unacceptable to you, you may terminate your account and this agreement as provided in Section 18 ("Termination"). Your continued use of the Games or Services seven (7) days after the changes are posted on the Site will constitute your acceptance of such change. If you pay for the Games and/or Services by credit card, you represent and warrant that you are the authorized user of such credit card. You agree to promptly notify Three Rings of any changes to your credit card account number, its expiration date and/or your billing address, and you agree to promptly notify Three Rings if your credit card expires or is canceled for any reason.

I also believe that this statement itself is a bit odd. You're saying that if the game was shut down, the players lose right? That OOO gets to run off with all the money you don't know if they have? Well, for one thing, Spiral Knights is one of their sources of revenue, one of their three games. I doubt they'd shut it down unless it wasn't making as much money as it costed to produce, and whatnot (i am not good at business either, just an assumption). At that point I'm going to assume that there will be very little paying players, and the price of energy for f2p players will be high from a lack of energy in the market. That might (i dunno, still not good with business) push away newer players because of a perceived wall they'll run into when they need energy. Or something like that maybe.

As for you being rude, I believe you are, to an extent. You've slandered several people on the forum, as well as the company several times. That comes off as a bit rude to me, though that's just my opinion.

I like making long posts.

ALSO SEIRAN PLS I TOOK 40 MINUTES TO MAKE THIS POST, YOU FINISHED BEFORE ME SDJFHSDKFHSDKJLFHSK

But but but but but but... it's fun.

So is turning into pepper.
Pepper is good for one's health, so I can die knowing that I made a difference in the world, however slight, regardless of how insignificant or tiny. Even after I come out of the rear end, I still help in the cycle of life by providing nutrients to another line of plants, which may later be fed up the food chain and over time return back to nutrients. I can be part of life, and even after death know that I may have caused a change, somewhere, sometime, in someone. And that would satisfy me, even if I'm cooked and eaten.

Or maybe I just like pepper.

@Prominis...

I see a lot of "I don't know..." in there, argument from ignorance, how cute. I also don't think you have the right to say "You don't know..." unless you can substantiate that.

@Everyone

Let's not care about what other people do with their money. My only point that I have made over the past few serious posts is that no one here is entitled with the game. You don't pay for content, you pay for the stuff. If you can't wait, or don't like OOO's business, you might as well leave. I think OOO would be more than serious once they see their profits falling.

Oh hey, it's this thread again.

@Wolf-Fighter: I would make an effort to prove you wrong, but I realize that it would just be pointless since you:

1. Don't have your facts straight

and

2. Have no proof to back up your so called "facts".

The bottom line is:

It'll be released when it is ready.

EDIT: Added one line that I felt was necessary.

@Zaffy
I do not believe anyone commenting here (as regular forumers/players, meaning excluding the mods) knows exactly how much money OOO makes with each promo box, their total revenue, how fast they make said revenue, or how they think or feel involving topics, and matters concerning Nick's own thoughts. That, I feel, is something I would not know as I am not particularly affiliated with either in a way that they could or would tell me, and as such, feel I should not spread false rumors or words like wolf.

Now, I'm not entirely sure (also pessimistic or something, people tell me that a lot though, uncertainty. probably just something messed up in my head), but I do not believe wolf is associated with three rings, the company, or its employees, whether current or ex. If s/he was, I doubt that s/he would be allowed to tell the players said things in a public forum, or intentionally criticize her/his own company. As such, I concluded that wolf was, most likely, not a part of three rings and merely a fan who felt that s/he had an important topic to speak about, and commented as such, regardless of the lack of factual back-up.

As a side-note, there were three 'i don't knows'. One was clarifying that the following statement was an opinion, one was self-contradicting (the auction house one, because i'm dumb and bad with words), and another was worded differently but also clarified that I was speaking off of opinion. That was like, 9 words of the 1764. Or you could look at it as one 'i don't know' every 584 words or so. I'm probably just stupid.

As for 'you don't know', that was 7 times, or once every 252 words. Lemme see if I can clarify when I said it and why. All 7 of them were matters involving OOO. Now, like I said before, I came to a decision to not think that wolf was part of OOO, or knew the revenue of said company, therefore the 'you don't know' phrase was somewhat justified, though overused in that context and probably sounded bad to read over and over again. I apologize for that.
Let's see, three about money, and the other four were involving opinions wolf had involving OOO's business plans and how they apparently didn't care about any players, which unless he was a spokesperson of the company itself (doubtful, as he slandered it), I find that hard to believe.

I didn't say he didn't know things involving the game, a large portion of my previous post involved OOO and wolf's slander towards the company itself, which I found unnecessary and uninformed (all of us are really, since I assume everyone who has posted so far is not privy to OOO's business plans, its revenue, etc.)

If you were referring to the way I type/talk, then that's sorta my fault. I have been known to be slightly self-deprecating on several occurrences. Like right now, I guess. But anyway, I hope that you might consider that unrelated to my thoughts that wolf is not part of OOO and therefore would not know information like the things he claimed (which was literally all cases I said 'you don't know')

But yeah, I'm a stupid ****. Should probably shut up now.

@Wolf
I'm just gonna shut up now, like I said before.

BUT BASICALLY SPEAKING EVERYTHING I SAID IS WHAT MAGINCTH SUMMARIZED IN TWO SENTENCES

I feel so proud of myself, because I am totally amazing at time management. 40+ minutes for something someone else simplified into two lines.

Right. I agree! And what about new T3 boss?????

Remember of this thread

"(I'm pretty sure a lot of people agree with me)"

Never say that. You have no idea if it's true or not.

@Welux: Exactly.

Wow, looking back at that thread, has anything changed in the past year, discussion-wise? We're still talking about the same problems, and we're in the same situation as last year where new content was announced and then delayed and then delayed and was finally released and was a bit disappointing but at least it kept us busy for a few months and then we had a few more months to wait around before we realized that there was actually no more new content and the discontent threads and the rage threads and the impatient threads and the repetitive "plz moar content" threads like this one all started to come back and I got depressed every time I went to the forums again.