katnip pouch series issue
jeu, 06/11/2015 - 13:58
Why does the katnip pouch series exist when theres no sleep status on knights right now? Because if you use it you are just wasting trinket slots, if it exists, starlight cradle needs to exist, starlight cradle being back will solve this issue,
jeu, 06/11/2015 - 14:40
#2
@krakob
Katnip pouch series exists, see http://wiki.spiralknights.com/katnip_Pouch for details
jeu, 06/11/2015 - 15:30
#3
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
This has been known for a long time, but what Krakob said, I'd rather have the devs focus on new content. AND, they aren't really useless. What I do, and I'm probably not the only one, I buy the trinkets, 10 of different types when I can afford them with tokens, and I sell them, so they do have some sort of use.
jeu, 06/11/2015 - 15:51
#4
I kind of feel the katnip pouch series is OP- while other trinkets simply keep you alive a bit on runs, katnip keeps you awake and allows you to grind an extra 7-10 hours per day depending on how long you'd spend sleeping otherwise. This is the difference between being able to craft a black kat raiment through farming books and not being able to do so.
jeu, 06/11/2015 - 17:38
#5
What im saying is that
What im saying is that without starlight cradle the katnip pouch series is functionally useless, however you CAN sell them for loads of crowns
mar, 06/23/2015 - 17:32
#6
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What Fehzor said is correct. They really worked for me, but make sure you pair it with Jelly Armor and the 5* pouches for maximum performance.
mer, 06/24/2015 - 00:19
#7
zzz
Or you can use them with the plate sets to counter their negatives.
mer, 06/24/2015 - 06:27
#8
@ Above
I feel a bit sad when this kind of response is made by the community when a truly valid issue is brought up.
@ Lilla-Gumman
Hitting Delete on some old code is super easy and would take mere moments to do. Your argument is invalid.
@ Bignastycupcake
You can sell ANY of the trinkets you buy from Brinks for the same price as the Katnip series. Your argument for keeping them is invalid.
@ Fehzor, Menish, and Neometal
Usually I would say "Not sure if stupid or trolling" but considering you all are long time forumers I would have to say both in this case.
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@ Kian-Slime-Master
Unless 000 is planning on doing something in the future with the sleep status there is absolutely no reason to have these trinkets around.
mer, 06/24/2015 - 07:16
#9
It's not as easy as deleting a piece of code. I'm not telling you to decompile the files to see how it works, but.. *clears throat*. It's always interesting to see people flying around talking about how easy/hard it is to code something when they have no idea what goes on behind the screen.
They created the sleep status with the intention of using it, and I believe they've left it in the game now as a teaser of things to come. It's bad policy to go around removing functioning pieces of a project just because they don't currently do something. It's the same with Moonstone and Valestone - having these guys laying around right now may be useless, but in the future new sprites with water/grass themed skills may arise.
EDIT: Just to clarify, it's bad policy to go around removing functioning pieces of a project just because they don't currently do something in an MMO. The goal of SK, and any other MMO, is to expand. The expansion process is made much easier when the base/components for additions are already built.
I can confirm - long hours of afk-ing in Haven are made much less painful through Katnip pouches, my new favorite trinkets.
mer, 06/24/2015 - 07:41
#10
@Holy Nightmare
Things you'd have to do to issue that patch:
1. Find the code
2. Delete the code
3. Make sure you didn't screw anything up
4. Commit the changes
5. Push an update to the public servers
All this would take a decent amount of a developer's day, which is time they could spend on more important things. If they removed Katnip pouches they'd end up with a reboot and patch for virtually nothing save for aggravating a few players who like the item despite its worthlessness.
mer, 06/24/2015 - 08:40
#11
@ Lilla
I mentioned that at the end of my post. While there is no reason to have them at the moment there is always the chance the status could be brought back.
Removing the trinkets would be easy. Finding a way to deal with the sleep status resists on all the armors of the game would take far more time.
For example: Back when sleep was still around the Royal Jelly set was balanced with the Ice Queen set. Now that sleep is gone the Ice Queen is superior. If the Sleep status was removed from the Royal Jelly set it would have to get some other sort of buff otherwise it would be the worst jelly line since Mercurial and Ice Queen provide the same defense yet more buffs. Taking into account for all these armors would take time.
You must also ask what OOO would do about the trinkets people already possess; would they end up like the legendary Zee cores? or would OOO do one of those forced trades like what they did when they removed mist and converted everyone's Mist Tanks to CE?
mer, 06/24/2015 - 08:50
#12
I'm not disputing any of that, I merely wanted to explain some of the software development process. Please don't tell people their arguments are invalid if you don't have a decent amount of insight into something.
mer, 06/24/2015 - 09:30
#13
@ lilla
I'm sorry about that, your response to this thread came about as someone more worried about the time fixing this detracting from Dev time on future updates than fixing old problems.
Currently the Sleep status and all armors that resist it are obsolete, if OOO isn't planning on doing anything with it ever then there is no reason to keep it in the game. If they do plan on reinstating it as a reworked status then it would be fine to let it remain.
Back in 2011-08-02 sleep was removed as a UV and was said to return in the future..... since then the sleep status has yet to come back...
mer, 06/24/2015 - 11:19
#14
ZzZzZ
Holy-Nightmare: Well, you've gotta remember, this is OOO we're talking about. The Gunner Update took nearly a year to finally come after it was officially announced, and a lot of that stuff from the In-Development Preview on Sega's blog from 2013 has yet to come; if they said Sleep is going to "return to the future," that's basically code for "eh, we're gonna do it when we feel like it."
Personally, I want Sleep to make a comeback, with all of its major problems fixed, but I can understand that they have bigger fish to fry; there's the Arcade Redux, the much-needed Sworder and Bomber Updates, major PVP issues that need to be fixed... I'd put Sleep as a "medium" on a list of priorities at best.
mer, 06/24/2015 - 11:29
#15
Dark Souls Pendant is relevant
@Holy-Nightmare
I feel a bit sad when this kind of response is made by the community when a truly valid issue is brought up.
I feel a bit sad when people get petty about joke responses to a petty issue.
Especially a petty issue that has been reposted again and again and again and again.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/29420
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/48580
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/43202
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/61685
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/64093
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/73795
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/75260
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/102191
You want to be petty? Okay, let's be petty.
Fix one star shields. They clutter shops but they have no presence, importance, or usefulness. They're visible in Kragen's inventory, but are overpriced. They pointlessly appear in Vatel's and Depth 4 Basil's recipe list. One star shields only make a single appearance in the mission system, the emberbreak shield recipe is given out, literally two missions before the player is given an already-made, 2-star Defender. Up until that point, players have a Proto Shield, which is more than enough for Strata 1
Shields aren't even usable in Lockdown, so they've no use there either.
I feel we should be paying more attention to items that are ingame and have an intended function but are forgotten about, rather than collectors items that are intended to be non-functional, a token reminder of the earlier days just like Zee cores, unbound Proto Guns, Cobalt recipes and the Groundbreaker Armor.
Currently the Sleep status and all armors that resist it are obsolete, if OOO isn't planning on doing anything with it ever then there is no reason to keep it in the game. If they do plan on reinstating it as a reworked status then it would be fine to let it remain.
Yeah, just delete the whole Jelly Mail line from the game, despite its superior piercing defense, and neat graphic design (I'm sorry, what? Take a step back! Have a look at the entire selection of armor in the game. Now point at any set that doesn't have a weapon damage bonus, and tell me it's not obsolete with a straight face. Now delete all the rest that are obsolete from the game. Apparently that's how you balance equipment, you delete everything too hard to do anything with.)
If they do plan on reinstating it as a reworked status then it would be fine to let it remain. Back in 2011-08-02 sleep was removed as a UV and was said to return in the future..... since then the sleep status has yet to come back...
Three Rings said Tortodrones and Iron Slug fix would eventually arrive, do you remember that? We also waited over 5 years for the core to open. Suck it up and wait, we've still got the 10th Secret, the "Water Temple" and the Aracade Redux to come.
mer, 06/24/2015 - 11:56
#16
@ Hex
One star items without alchemy paths should have a severe drop in price, that way new players can get them to learn about status resists without having to dole out a ton of CR for something they can't craft up anyway.
Never said jelly has bad defenses, but if you want a good jelly set you should get the one that provides the most. You should either aim for the Freeze/Stun resist or the MSI plus Shock resist because getting the Royal Jelly line will leave you with a resist that never gets used. Other sets without weapon damage bonuses have multiple status resists (or some other buff like MSI) and prove handy when they show up.
I'm fine with waiting, I'd just like updates on their progress from time to time. like this: http://blog.monomipark.com/
mer, 06/24/2015 - 12:26
#17
It's just a joke.............. we don't all have to be stupid trolls to enjoy a joke, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
jeu, 06/25/2015 - 05:24
#18
@holy-nightmare
You are correct on the trinkets being around for no reason without sleep, please OOO re-add starlight cradle
jeu, 06/25/2015 - 07:02
#19
@ Kian
Sleep was horribly broken before it was removed.
Basically worse than Silversaps. When asleep you can't move or even attack and thanks to the way status works in this game you would most likely get re-statused before the timer ran out. Players also abused the healing mechanic of sleep by taking turns sleeping and healing while the other teammates held off the monsters.
It needs to get fixed before it gets reintroduced so that it isn't broken yet isn't a copy of any other statuses.
jeu, 06/25/2015 - 18:50
#20
Instead of removing the item completely, you could easily alter Brinks' shop inventory and make him not sell it anymore. No reason to delete the item entirely, but it makes it so people can't accidentally buy it not knowing that it's useless and waste their tokens.
jeu, 06/25/2015 - 19:44
#21
^agreed
I agree with Klipik; assuming that Sleep is going to return sooner or later, they should take Katnip Pouches out of Brinks' inventory until it comes back, because that's 25-100 hard-earned Tokens that could go to waste because a new knight didn't know they were useless.
jeu, 06/25/2015 - 20:11
#22
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Removing it from Brink's shop turns it into a zee-core style rare item. It may be completely useless, but if you can't obtain it anymore it suddenly becomes worth something.
Best solution is to put a warning tooltip onto it (similar to the "you arent high enough in missions to equip this item - you shouldnt purchase it").
ven, 06/26/2015 - 06:33
#23
@ Skeptic
Perhaps a new mission in the Rank 2-3 section that explains about statuses to new players even leaving a little tidbit about how the sleep inducing Slooms seem to have disappeared.
sam, 06/27/2015 - 00:01
#24
@Skeptic
What's wrong with making it extremely rare? It's essentially cosmetic already, so all it would do is give it more show-off value. I'm sure the economy could handle it.
sam, 06/27/2015 - 16:51
#25
Why?
@Hexzyle: "I feel a bit sad when people get petty about joke responses to a petty issue.
Especially a petty issue that has been reposted again and again and again and again."
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/110331#comment-1002314
Then why respond to the post at all with a troll? Why not just ignore it and let it drop to the back of the necros?
It's like you’re playing around/trolling in a post that the poster did not put much time and research on, instead of drawing attention to post that have suggestions that the poster invested time into like this:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/110592
Sure it's a long read, but why not invest your time in something you know could go somewhere and have not been suggested a million time yet.
sam, 06/27/2015 - 20:56
#26
instead of drawing attention
You seem to be under the illusion that I have some sort of arbitrary "thread quota" that I can't exceed per day and commenting on lower value threads somehow inhibits my ability to forum elsewhere.
If I don't visit a thread, it's because it doesn't interest me. I don't have to answer to anyone for that; I forum because I enjoy foruming. I'm not going to do something I don't enjoy.
I'd rather have the devs focus on new content or applying obvious balance fixes instead of worrying about obsolete trinkets half of the population doesn't even know exists but maybe that's just me!