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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 01:56

Blandaxt

_I have seen several people replying to some post and all they did wast wrote +1. i think that means that they support the thread. so i thought oh nice, that's good. then i have seen several people also do
this, Bump, Bump, Bump, BUmp. and i thought oh that means they want to keep the thread alive, and i thought that's cool.

_ so then i'm like oh i want to try this too, i want to support and bump threads that i like. So i went to some threads and instead of punting a +1, i put wow, i love this thread, hope it keeps going. And also in some threads i go, bump, or bump. then i'm thinking nice, i supported some things i thought was nice ideas. Then randomly, i started to see postings about me saying why is blandaxt necro threads so much,he keeps bringing up old threads. Then there's like some people saying why does he keep saying i love this thread so much, his not putting constructive criticism on the post.

_then i'm thinking, what am i doing wrong for these people to say bad things about me, i mean i'm i just hated? am i?

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 02:02

Shue-Donnym

No subject line spam here, move along

_because you bump threads which haven't been posted on for a thousand years

_thats often a sign that people have lost interest

_so people are not interested and think that the thread is a waste of space

_theyre right

_the old cobweb covered thread is a waste of space

_you are also a waste of space

_stop the underscores

_and yes you are hated

_go die in a hole

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 02:08

Blandaxt

so!

so if a thread is old, its not suppose to be replied upon, is what your telling me right? i hope im not getting the wrong message, oh yeah you also hate me and that i'm a waste of space. hmm, thanks for your post "pladypus" :). i hope to use your post to learn a great deal from it.

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 02:10

Villainus

NECROs..

Just don't necro much if people have lost interest they have lost interest. If you like the thread well too bad! Threads die... I understand your motivations because I don't understand why some good threads die quickly. I believe the +1 comments are for petitions. Bump is most often used to keep a bazaar thread alive.

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 02:32

Lukehandkooler

A +1 means you either support

A +1 means you either support the original post, or used under a quote to affirm that you agree with it, rather then reiterating the same point copy+paste something you agree with then +1 underneath.

A /bump isnt always or even usually a bad thing. For instance if I asked a very specific question on the arsenal forums that most people wouldnt know about and the topic fell off of the first page I would not consider it bad forums etiquette to bump it myself 2-3 times to keep it visible rather then asking the same question every day for 2-3 days in a row.

Its called a bump cause it bumps the topic back up to the #1 newest spot.

A necro is when you inadvertently /bump a post that is several months old by adding to it and it is generally frowned upon because in that amount of time patches and changes have taken place that may have rendered part or all of the antiquated topic a moot point, or of skewed opinion to the current status quo.

~Luke

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 02:24

Blandaxt

ohhhh!

thankyou! finally. so your saying "Just don't necro much if people have lost interest ". am i included in people, don't i have a right to post on something that i think its a good idea. so if for example i post on a thread that is 2 years old that i think is an awesome idea, that means i am doing something bad.

_you also said "Bump is most often used to keep a bazaar". then why is it that i see it in the suggestion box, the general box, the new recruit box, and like you said the bazaar box. so then does that mean it was not only me that did something bad but all those people who bumped those threads. Just use the search bar for bump and u'll see what i'm talking about.

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 02:32

Metagenic

to make a long story short

Bump threads that are a few days old. Not a few months/years old. That's all.

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 03:11

Hexzyle

Talking specifically about suggestions forum

You may, instead of suggesting a new idea, find an older one which has a lot more information, and either necro it, or reword the entire post and make it better. If you are recreating the thread, ensure to remember to read the other posts on the thread, as there is often a lot of information added by other people that wasn't thought up at the time by the originial poster.

You are possibly allowed to necro a GOOD thread once in a given time...let's say a week, maybe once a fortnight if you want to be safe. Necroposting on threads all over the place fills the forum with dead threads that no-one is really interested in anymore, and is classified as spam.

It is better to work hard on one thread, and do it well, rather than putting little effort into lots of threads.

Example; a person I know has only made one thread suggesting anything, and he made sure to do it right!

Yes, I'm talking about thread #40011. (Which is so impressive, it spans three whole threads!)

The ultimate goal for large suggestions is to compile them into megathreads. Yes I know, some threads it's impractical to do this, but for the ones that are, always make sure you keep the thread which is the most descriptive and comprehensive of the topic at hand on the top of the forums, and ensure that all the other duplicate, lesser threads, regarding the same topic, do not.

Think to yourself before necroing:

Is this topic comprehensive enough to be bumped?
Could the topic be re-written better?
Is there any other threads on the same topic which might be better candidates for a necro?
Is the topic still relevant to this date?
Am I contributing anything to this thread?
Will others share the same interest in this thread that I do, despite it's age?

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 07:35

Blandaxt

Thanks.

@LukehandKooler: Ty for the info. i understand how to efficiently bump and support post now.

_one more thing i want to address is old post. if an old post has been in the forum for a while, are we as players not allowed to post to it.

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 06:42

Psychodestroyer

...

It's not that it's not allowed. It's that if you do, you're wasting posters time by bringing up discussion either no longer relevant or not wanted anymore, and taking up space where relevant/wanted discussions could be.

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 08:39

#10

Blandaxt

oh!

@Hexzyle: "instead of suggesting a new idea, find an older one which has a lot more information, and either necro it, or reword the entire post and
make it better" - i did this for the heat burst thread, and not even one person replied, i'm i allowed to bump it or should i recreate it?

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/32765

_"You are possibly allowed to necro a GOOD thread once in a given time" - what if i spend several hours reading threads in the suggestion box, do i have
to put a time distance for every good thread i see and want to reply to? And is it the same if i want to support it by adding a +1 or saying which part of
the idea i like?

-"fills the forum with dead threads that no-one is really interested in anymore" - if they are dead threads, why are they still on the suggestion box. why
not move all the dead threads to the graveyard? isn't that what the graveyard is for? As long a a thread is in the suggestion box, aren't we as players
allowed to post or reply to it?

-The noun definition of spam is: disruptive messages, especially commercial messages posted on a computer network or sent as e-mail.- so if i bring an
old post that i think is a great idea, it is considered spam. then not spamming is staying close to new threads and not posting on old threads or at least
do it very rarely. Then should i be recreating the ideas that are related and then some guys will come to me saying this idea was already there in a 1
year old post and saying that i am spamming.

- You're right, this is a very good post. (http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/40011)

- "goal for large suggestions is to compile them into mega-threads" - then when it becomes a "mega-thread", does it go anywhere like into the game
developers suggestion box.

-I will take the heat burst thread as an example for you questions:

#1. Is this topic comprehensive enough to be bumped?

I read through the post and i thought it was comprehensive enough to me.

#2. Could the topic be re-written better?

no, i think it was written well.

#3. Is there any other threads on the same topic which might be better candidates for a necro?

i searched for similar threads and found some, but this was the best presentable one that i thought was good to post to.

#4. Is the topic still relevant to this date?

again, i think it is relevant because some players are not entirely happy with the slot machine at the end of the elevator.

#5. Am I contributing anything to this thread?

yes, i contributed.

#6. Will others share the same interest in this thread that I do, despite it's age?

well, so far, no one has shown interest, which is a mystery to me.

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 08:42

#11

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Sat, 05/12/2012 - 08:40

#12

Blandaxt

yeah!

i don't know, it came out that way after i posted it. sorry.

_proper grammar, tell me what i spelled wrong? or was it something else?

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 08:43

#13

Trying

Grammar =/= Spelling

Sat, 05/12/2012 - 18:29

#14

Hexzyle

@Blandaxt

"i did this for the heat burst thread, and not even one person replied, i'm i allowed to bump it or should i recreate it?"

You shouldn't. I do believe there was a more recent thread with more info. I distinctly remember posting some ideas on it, and a few of the recent forum members have commented on it.

"what if i spend several hours reading threads in the suggestion box, do i have to put a time distance for every good thread i see and want to reply to? And is it the same if i want to support it by adding a +1 or saying which part of the idea i like?"

Regardless of how many threads you read, I still suggest you to wait before necroing. Remember that a thread YOU think is good is not necissarily what other people think is good, and if you end up bumping too many not good threads, you'll earn a bad reputation.

"if they are dead threads, why are they still on the suggestion box. why not move all the dead threads to the graveyard? isn't that what the graveyard is for? As long a a thread is in the suggestion box, aren't we as players allowed to post or reply to it?

The problem is with this is that most people, being possessive of their threads, won't move their threads to the graveyard. Also, 80% of people who suggest things here, especially the people who suggest crappy threads because they haven't been here long, don't even know HOW to move threads to the graveyard.

The noun definition of spam is: disruptive messages, especially commercial messages posted on a computer network or sent as e-mail.- so if i bring an old post that i think is a great idea, it is considered spam. then not spamming is staying close to new threads and not posting on old threads or at least do it very rarely. Then should i be recreating the ideas that are related and then some guys will come to me saying this idea was already there in a 1 year old post and saying that i am spamming.

It's disruptive because the entire first page is filled with threads that no-one has seen before, usually not in a good way. (it's often because they weren't good ideas to begin with)
It also clears all the current threads into the second page, which is practically stealing attention from them. It's like if someone had replaced half your important mail with their magazine subscriptions, and you had to go to the post office to get the other half of your regular mail. It is fine if you do it rarely. Because of the flow of data here, you could possibly necro a post every 2 days, however necroing that fast would cause you to forget other important threads. As I said before, it's good to just stick with a select few threads and keep them alive.

Also, if you recreate the thread well, and give a link to the old thread so that people see how crappy it was, while stating that "i know this has been suggested before, but..." then give a good reason, most people should be fine with it.

"then when it becomes a "mega-thread", does it go anywhere like into the game developers suggestion box?"

Well, generally speaking, megathreads gain more attention from players (due to their large post counts and being up in active space for an extended period of time) so they most likely have a much higher chance than little threads to catch the eye of the developers. Plus they give developers a large selection of ideas to choose from.

I will take the heat burst thread as an example for you questions:

#1. Is this topic comprehensive enough to be bumped?

I read through the post and i thought it was comprehensive enough to me.

It was ok.

#2. Could the topic be re-written better?

No, i think it was written well.

It was decent. It could have had additional ideas added.

#3. Is there any other threads on the same topic which might be better candidates for a necro?

i searched for similar threads and found some, but this was the best presentable one that i thought was good to post to.

I strongly disagree. There was this recent thread by one of our regular forum goers, Mk-Vl, which was more indepth:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/50920

#4. Is the topic still relevant to this date?

again, i think it is relevant because some players are not entirely happy with the slot machine at the end of the elevator.

Yes.

#5. Am I contributing anything to this thread?

yes, i contributed.

That is good.

#6. Will others share the same interest in this thread that I do, despite it's age?

well, so far, no one has shown interest, which is a mystery to me.

That is because it had already been discussed in Mk-Vl's thread a couple weeks prior to you necroing that one. Bump Mk-Vl's thread if you like, and repost your ideas there.

Mention that I asked you to bump it. You don't have a very good reputation on the forums at the moment, so people might see it as another "silly blandaxt post".

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