Spiral Knights - I guess I'm done.

I guess I'm done.

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Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:21

Draycos

I was going to make a post about assigning people to distinguish various weapons more than just being recolors, optimize the game's excessive particle use, or maybe even pre-make future equipment and enemies, since it seems like there's more eyecandy than actual game being churned out lately. I've already dumpstered that, though. You can have this instead.

In the couple years I've posted in these forums, the board I spent the most time in was Suggestions.

At first, I went in with good intentions, trying to make a game with a good foundation into something other than a mess.

Then, it started feeling pointless, and I've only bothered posting anymore because it's a way to kill time while giving me the slightest feeling of productivity.

No matter how strong your points are or how well-thought your ideas are, you won't even get the slightest acknowledgement from anyone making the game.

I will never know for sure if they looked at and understood anything I or anyone else in that board has written. Nobody will ever have the chance to talk to the devs directly; the most we have is 'we read your suggestions' and a survey every few months, maybe. As for the Testing Server, it rarely does anything but garner feedback for things that are nearly finalized. I will never know why they don't change, or even publicly acknowledge, things the players unanimously agree need to change.

I have spent so much time in the Suggestions board. I've thrown around so many different ideas, given critique on so many others' ideas... Fleshing out and rebalancing Sprites, weapon concepts and reworks, anti-U.V. rambling, what constitutes 'real' and 'artificial' difficulty, level design... Look how much that's done; all of absolutely nothing.

Summing this up... I'm sick of OOO being as transparent and as vocal as a brick, and I don't see the worth in giving feedback to deaf ears.

I'm going to vanish, just like how I've been extremely inactive in-game for the past several months. If I decide to post again, it won't be about anything special.

See ya.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 20:52

Skepticraven

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Can't say they don't listen when they switched up promo boxes to be bought without having to get them "bonus" with energy.
A lot of what is in the suggestions subforum does not adhere to my ideal of a good suggestion.

I checked your last couple suggestions.
1 Alternate method of crafting a black seraphynx.
2 Wing accessory sizes.
3 Difficulty changes.

Want my opinion?
1. Kitastrophy summarized my response in post #5.
2. I prefer gameplay content updates over slight visual changes to something that doesn't impact gameplay.
3. Arcade Redux. I find the quality of this suggestion to be the exact same as suggesting new guns and gun balances right after the gunner update announcements.

The part that really irked me to make this post was...
"No matter how strong your points are or how well-thought your ideas are, you won't even get the slightest acknowledgement from anyone making the game."
I kindly disagree. Most suggestions are not well-thought out ideas and lack any strong points.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 21:17

Midnight-Dj

Well Draycos, it has been nice knowing you, but like I said to arc before in that thread long ago. People have freewill, and yes, developers are human too. And we all have the right to choose what we wanted to do with our live, if the devs don't listen to our suggestions, they must have their reasons, and no matter how good your suggestions are Draycos, ppl have the right to reject it, afterall, not all of your ideas are absolute flawless and foolproof. And hey, at least we might have a chance to fight Herex as a new T3 boss (?) now.

Hey, imagine how will you feel if the developer just come to your suggestion thread, constatnly apologizing for their running short on hand with the current game development and shut down your thread. At least they had the decency of letting ppl see it and give out their 2 cents. With that been said, time to take out my check list:

1.Acrknightdelta-gone for now
2.Draycos-inactive
3.Sirius-voltbreaker-gone
4.Bitsee-gone
5.xXtweeterxx-gone
6.Phantommachi-gone
7.Batabii-gone
8.Anniliton-gone
9.Fangel
10.Rubyeclipse-gone
11.gonzano-gone
12.Darkcub
13.Khamshin-gone
14.Rezzeler-gone
15.Ardent-light-gone
16.Fehzor
17.Skepticraven
18.Pandafishie
19.Mallacack-gone
20.Hollows-inactive

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 23:01

Pandafishie

Corrections

@Midnight (edited)
Sirius is/was Ardent-Light; he's still active
Annilation changed his name to Aurora-Skysomething (quite active), his DCs spam my screen soo~~~~ much. Also got forum banned.
Tweeter is still there. (from what anni and sirius told me) He just made that whole melodramatic thing for no apparent reason, and if he did have an exact reason plz let me know. (By the way, that was like the 5th dramatic "goodbye 5evr message I've received ever since I started playing)
Malkalacka got forum banned, but since he has ADHD he's quite sporadic about playing, but I'm pretty sure he still plays. (it says he was last on May 14th)

/shrug

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 21:54

Draycos

@Skep

I'll bite.

Obviously not everything, because of Acheron and Shard Bombs. If they really do read everything, they only selectively see information, or worse yet, only pay serious attention when it's from the Preview Server.

First off: Those threads you listed are all weak because I've run out of 'big things' to talk about. It's usually pointless to talk about things that have been beaten to death already; there is much less room for discussion.

1: A silly problem with simple answers.
2: I'm not disagreeing with you there.
3: Nobody knows what the Arcade Redux will be like, only that it exists. I thought I'd give it a stab, just for kicks. Difficulty does need a little more to it than modifying stats.

I disagree with your disagreement. I never said cruddy suggestions don't exist.
I mean things like Luguiru's mega-thread, or that gigantic Battle Sprite thread I made. Then the Preview Server and all the feedback in that; there's no response more in depth than 'okay we changed it'. It doesn't matter if you've got the worst or best ideas; they will never say anything.

I remember people having to spam the heck out of some staff member's mail just for a decent response about Shard Bombs.

People promptly disagreed with this response, explained why it was wrong, and whoop de doo, dead silence.

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Midnight, don't get me wrong- I don't think I'm the best thing to ever happen to the SK forums. If I did, I'd probably be a lot more annoying than I might already be. I've had my share of terrible posts.

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 22:01

Abelisk

I have suggested more "drama,

I have suggested more "drama, scenes, et cetera" and look what we get! We get a beginning of a new embarkment. See you in your "AFK" Draycos!

Wed, 05/21/2014 - 23:18

Fehzor

No midnight don't do it! I know you don't like me but that's no reason to kill me or make me go inactive from the list! D:

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 07:35

Arcknightdelta

I always thought "good" suggestions were considered/implemented.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 09:33

Skepticraven

@Draycos

In my opinion, neither shard bombs or the acheron needs changing.
Armor/shields do need changing/balancing. I haven't fully figured out how to make it work yet (mostly because there is still quite a bit we don't know), but when I do expect an impressive suggestion thread that would resolve all these problems.

If you would like me to weigh in on some suggestion threads, send me a pm or mail and I will read them then comment.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 12:57

Fehzor

Why don't acheron/the shards need changing?

Acheron gets far too much of a damage boost from damage ups due to being split normal/shadow, and the shard bombs are probably the least used, most ill thought of weapon in the game.

I'd love to believe that they're all equally fun to use and worth crafting, but they just aren't.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:29

#10

Poomph

Dammit I thought I already told you people.

Sirius and Ardent were two entirely different people.

...And why do you have Fangel, Fehzor, Pandafishie, and Skepticraven on that list? Why am I not on there? I feel left out.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 13:44

#11

Sandwich-Potato

/cough

Also, see ya Dray. Probably not though because I probably won't be playing the games you do or stuff ._.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 17:35

#12

Gianor

Because the gunner update TOTALLY ISN'T COMING OUT IN A WEEK!

Have some patience man >_>

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 20:01

#13

Draycos

I'm not excited for the Gunner Update. It seems like it'll make some guns ridiculous and others will barely change at all, save for some blanketed movespeed buffs.

When I saw 'mechanical changes', I was expecting new and interesting things like:

-Hit registration/animation modified to match each other, instead of bullets appearing to have a delay or hit things without dealing damage
-Antiguas deal bonus damage to targets hit successively, rewarding good aim with strong single-target damage. Charge attack modified to be a line of hitscan damage.
-Alchemers ricochet 'naturally' and not in a random direction to the left; internal ricochets are fixed and not just bandaided with a hit limit
-Pulsar bullets have three stages instead of two, the second stage dealing a little less and third dealing a little more, with increased bullet speed and decreased clip. Charge attack inverts the pattern.
-Move (slowly) while firing an Autogun, without being able to adjust your aim at the same time; charge nerfed and basic buffed. Longer reload.
-Catalyzers tweaked again to be less spammy and more tactical; faster bullets, charge attack is a remote detonation instead of a linked shot, lower clip with more damage to compensate
-Wacky additions like a grappling-hook gun, an electrified cable, a gun with bullets that follow you, a gun with bullets that pause for a few seconds, then move in the direction you're facing, a goo-gun with residual AoE, not just tweaking the original gear
-A rework of the reload mechanic
-etc.

But no, it's just creating new flavors of 'gamebreakingly powerful' while removing switch-shooting. Hello, Brandish 2.0.

I don't know why I got my hopes up.

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Sandwich, I don't even know what games I'M playing. The only game I consistently go back to is League, and even then it's both frustrating and enjoyable all at the same time.

I do have a Steam account, if anyone cares..

Pretty excited for Mario Kart 8, though.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 21:15

#14

Poetry

I think they do listen

I think they do listen sometimes.

I suggested a Pitch(fork) Flourish reskin back in Oct 2012, and even though it isn't Halloween-themed, we received something very similar this week.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/66659

So now I feel like they do listen. Although, it might all be a coincidence.

If they ever implement my 10% Crown Bonus idea, I'll know they listen for sure.

Thu, 05/22/2014 - 21:59

#15

Feyi-Feyi

Sad to see you go, you always were the argumentative type that I enjoyed to see post, wether I agreed or not.
You're moving away from fighting a lost fight, and I can totally understand that.

Fare well, and maybe until we meet again.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 00:41

#16

Oroseira

" 6.Phantommachi-gone"

Stop misspelling my old name.

Besides, I'm just lurking these forums now, maybe participating in a story or forum game.

Other than that, don't really expect me to do things in SK...maybe when Gunner Update comes out I'll come back to this game and quickly become part of the gunner master race.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 01:05

#17

Arcknightdelta

@ Moonstone-Shades

Nice to see you have moved on mate. I too am waiting for the gunner update. Until then.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 02:08

#18

Krakob

Gonna miss you. Call me!

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 03:37

#19

Dragneel-Wiki

Dray, pls...

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 14:12

#20

Lonely-Tear

Im Here With Purpose

see ya when the 5th boss comes out

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 14:16

#21

Draycos

I might come back every now and then if updates hit, sure, but I'm not gonna do any serious foruming.

Fri, 05/23/2014 - 16:01

#22

Addisond

Yeah I already did that :/

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 13:50

#23

Deala

I agree with your post(s)..in suggestions no admin ever comments on the idea, Nick used to once in a blue moon, and now even he is gone. Seems like they've sorta given up on this game, maybe keep it flowing for a couple more years to see if they can continue to make a profit, but at this rate of update (average 3-4 months per updates which have new mechanics, and even rarer for new gameplay I fail to see how the game will continue to stay alive with a playerbase of 1,000+ players on at once.

Anyway, disappointing that you're leaving, but I doubt anyone really makes a difference on the forums anyway. Heck, the RotMG team ("kabam") receive hell for their lack of interest in the community/failure to listen, but they do it 100 times better than this game, where a couple devs will comment on the Ideas forum occasionally (maybe 5 times per week), which isn't much, but it makes the ideas forum so much more valuable, because people know that at least someone with power is reading it.

Cya!

Mario kart 8 looks awesome.. (sent you a friend req on steam)

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 02:27

#24

Arcknightdelta

Can't say I disagree with you

Can't say I disagree with you guys. All this talk about more art staff, surely one of them can spend a little bit of time, maybe 30-60 mins a day on the Suggestion forum. I appreciate OOO is a business, but you have paying customers here and if I remember right, a successful business is one where customer satisfaction flourishes.

Unless OOO are well aware of how toxic the community can be at times, they choose to post less. Can't blame them. How many times have the SK community raged over something OOO released, how many times have you seen people get overly frustrated at almost everything OOO do. If OOO staff are reluctant to post frequently on these forums you have yourself to blame. But that's me speculating, I bet OOO love the forum really. Must be because they are super busy with actual gameplay content. Yeah! Must be that.

(Not mentioning anyone in particular here. You know who you are)

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 02:53

#25

Thunder-The-Bright

gods ain't gonna help you, son.

hyperion once said that they can't comment on suggestions because then the opinions on it would be biased, but they do read all suggestions. they have to, because swears.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 03:34

#26

Krakob

@Thunder The Bright

Not really. There are plenty of instances where bad words have gone unedited for months if not years.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 04:11

#27

Thunder-The-Bright

gods ain't gonna help you, son.

never seen that. where?

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 04:26

#28

Krakob

Not gonna bother with digging something up so I'll give you an example:
Some while ago, a lady or gent posted a word which is used to describe someone with a low capability of learning. Said word is often used as an insult to call people stupid.
I spotted it and jokingly posted that I wondered how long it would take until the GMs would edit it out. Turns out, they didn't spot it themselves. After about a week, I mailed them about it and it was eventually removed. Side note: apparently, they want you to use the in-game /complain to report people who post such things on the forums.
It's not the only case of bad words hanging around, though. You'll find plenty of violations under The Coliseum and I don't always see them get edited out. If you really wanna find something, start digging there, anyway.

Let's not derail more, though.

Sat, 05/24/2014 - 06:39

#29

Arcknightdelta

@ Krakob

Hence why I started "that" thread oh so long ago which enabled us to report posts we thought were inappropriate far more easily than going through the hassle of emailing support. That's a big put off for me. I normally only report someone who I feel has done something OTT.

Silly, immature, rude, swear words, I just honestly find this current system long winded, to bother reporting those comments. Oh and and before someone says "no delta we don't want that system because people will abuse it", well since I made "that" thread I haven't seen a single abuse of the system on the steam forum. Not saying it doesn't happen and even if it did we just ignore the report after a 5 second investigation.

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I guess I'm done.