I'm guessing most likely another casino tweak, and maybe another promo box.
Some reasons why I think that:
- I think my analysis on giving F2P a reason to log in to fix the macroeconomics of inherent value for spending is being ignored.
- I have a feeling that analysis is being ignored by the ones in charge instead for the "not monetizing enough" assertion, when I feel that's not the issue.
Maybe I'm just going insane and they actually have thought this through.
One can only hope the same analysis that stated and I quote "might make ce go to 20kcr." was indeed ignored as it was blatantly wrong. Let the adults take care of their game, I say. They have a knack for it, not to mention experience. And newly found freedom from any corporate bias. And care for this and that and blablabla, you get it, they'll do just fine as always.
I never said I was important, I just laid out an analysis of why the game is doing poorly revenue and playerbase wise. I even laid out false assumptions they might be following for why they continue to execute the inadequate methodology. Repeatedly, many months ago, even prior to the layoffs.
@Bonjourhippo
Still waiting on their plan to differ from last year, if they're not beholden to said corporate logic. I'd back off more, but they got laid off from SEGA and the game sold back to the people SEGA bought it from, so one can see they already had their chance with their prior strategy. I've tried to be constructive with analysis on why the revenue has most likely been decreasing, I'm just waiting on them to check the macroeconomics as well to concur.
But sure, you can patronize anyone trying to suggest the right calls, xbox live chat is next door.
I can't imagine how this thread will go any differently from past ones with an opening like that. You're putting huge emphasis on yourself rather than the game update, which in turn, makes people talk about you. I expect a "guys stop talking about me we're talking about the game" post at some point... Or perhaps now that I've said this you'll actively avoid saying it.
As for an actual topical thought, I really don't mind what is done. I'd assume the next update will be a smaller patch with potential optimizations or small fixes, after that update will be casino, then maybe another small fix and tortodrones in September before we start our holiday schedule with dark harvest in October.
So far we've seen bugfixes, new content, UI updates, more featured auctions, more frequent events, and about the same amount of boxes. If that doesn't spell change for you then nothing will. A quick reminder that it's been shown most of the OOO staff was driven away from working on Spiral Knights and there's certainly been some time taken to get back into things, I'm sure you can see given how knowledgeable of all things game development, marketing strategy, wankoeconomics this might hurdle progress or at least slow it down. What more can be said?
Perhaps earning yourself a spot in the industry and keeping it might help your current credibility issues, which I can assure you are not just real, but glaring, at least towards people that don't believe in conspiracies and the likes.
And don't even get me started on the constant nitpicking you've contributed over forums which I can only guess are egoistic rather than helpful. We see the persona you're trying to build here, might be worth reviewing what material you should use.
PS: forgot to mention "behind the scenes library changes" that were indicated in last week's release.
I really don't care about personas here, which is ironic coming from a person who feels the obligation to throw lowball attacks and get the last word in.
The issue here is you see it as impossible for someone to honestly care for the well being of the company by criticizing the direction especially from a person you have an in game beef with.
@ Fangel
There are specific things other than those you've listed that I'm personally waiting for, that would actually fix the cause of the decline, rather than persist the game. Feel free to line item agree/disagree with various suggestions, I really would rather have this thread as a discussion of why things are monetized the way they are.
Guys, there isn't an ulterior motive for saying the current strategy is poor. There is nothing to gain even if right.
There's nothing wrong with criticism as such, but there everything's wrong with the way you present it. The game has its flaws and I don't mind pointing them out, but I certainly won't make this about myself, like you do. More importantly I respect the decisions of the game makers and as a developer myself I sympathise with the struggle of small teams having to meet strong demand. And of course most important of all, I'm fully aware that I don't have any qualifications within the game industry and I surrender my judgement to those who have earned, nay, conquered the right to drive this game with capital and talent, Grey Havens. Modesty doesn't hurt.
Don't be surprised when the community still tries to suggest ways to fix the revenue stream, when things don't go well. Personally, what's been done this year seems ineffective at targeting the root cause, but that's just my analysis/opinion.
Presenting it harshly may be a result of seeing the outstanding issues lay untreated after years of suggestions and watching the ship sink, and already giving ample time for minor day 1 edits that should have occurred already.
Everybody loves some new Aesthetic blah.
I'm certain we're all waiting for lots of stuff, however I don't really set sky high expectations. From the patterns as of late, we'll probably have a bit more of the same (which is - small content updates, minor tweaks and changes bundled with each other, new stuff mixed in with old stuff), and after frameworks are all sorted through and figured out we'll probably see something pretty incredible thrown at us.
For all the times you've given recommendations, I have agreed they are good things for the game. I just don't think there is a single "saving grace" for Spiral Knights - rather, various small things added up over time will create a livelihood that we're all after. You can't win back players who aren't playing, you need to win back their interest and then whatever follows follows.
For example, daily rewards will retain players, not bring back old ones. While it is important to make players stay, once they reach a certain point it's more of a "keep their interest" sort of deal if they haven't made friends to keep them playing. More emphasis on making friends (which keep you coming back) is as important as daily rewards, however it is much more difficult to do.
Personally I'd love to see a "quick play" button in the party finder that literally shoves you into any (valid) party for your rank or lower - missions would be in the mission lobby, and arcade lobbies would just allow any depth. No hoops involved, you get in and get playing - something that was huge in the early days of the game.
Perhaps if they want people being less critical of the user-visible direction, they should lay out future plans more, even if they're not solidified. A goal oriented roadmap in announcementswould stop these threads.
Same reason people are calling out Niantic right now, radio silence is not the answer.
Complaints are so much louder than praises. Radio silence is NOT the current communication position of GH. Could you stop the attention grabbing lies? If that's your feeling, perhaps you should work harder at deserving a response from a GM. You're nowhere near that right now, even less so knowing your tendency to not take account of ANY responses you're ever given. It is a huge waste of time responding to you, as has always been.
Same reason people are calling out Niantic right now, radio silence is not the answer.
Hate to burst your bubble, but they have responded to their latest update. It's still in legalese, but it's definitely not radio silence.
I don't think they mind people being critical of "user-visible direction", simply because different users will see different things. I view every update in a positive light - things are happening, which means more things will happen. So far that's been true so I see no reason to stop thinking that. Other players may view each update that isn't "what they want" as nothing useful whatsoever. They might start the 600th "sk is ded" thread because there weren't additions to the clockworks, or to PvP balance, or to paid options, or to... well, you get what I'm saying.
I'm more an advocate for positive reinforcement because it's much nicer. When vocal minorities are common in an industry, having people that speak up for what they think is done right is as important as the people who bring up what's wrong. When all you know is what you don't want, it makes it very difficult to find out what people do want, especially when you take into account what people do want and it's immediately met by "no, you're doing it wrong".
People will always speak up when they don't like something, but hardly ever do when they do like something. Heck, because I can, tell me what Grey Havens has done right thus far after their acquisition of Spiral Knights. I know you know they've done some good stuff, but I'd like to hear you say them. :)
You missed the point. Niantic stopped talking to the community for a period of time regardless and people started uninstalling and refunding any money spent. Lack of communication on a sub-par update only breeds what we saw last week with Pokemon Go.
@Aseren
The pile of salt from money spent relegates those to being bitter at those calling out their poor investment.
@Bonjourhippo
> tells people to stop attention grabbing lies
> Makes one up to try to win an argument
Vague comments that can be misinterpreted in any way, shape, or form don't count as formal communication.
You do know better than that, as we used to have nick posting in depth roadmaps.
One of various - http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/90696
I also don't want a response from a GM, I just want them to see the macroeconomic scope of what decides players to spend, to update their planning.
You stated GH applies radio silence. GM's post daily on forums, you've even been told by recently a presumed tech team staff, John-Greycore, that you're out of your depths. Respond to that rather than trying to evade with rhetoric. Or perhaps simply admit that you had that one wrong, it's perfectly suitable a response.
Admitting there's issues isn't a roadmap or communicating anything useful. There's been radio silence in what actually matters, which is what will be done about it. I'd rather see an announcement mention goals that are being attempted to be met, rather than have what we already know, which is there's bugs that need fixing.
Might as well tell you the gunner update was released in 2014 so you can be assuaged of asking for future plans.
Selective listening doesn't mean radio silence. If a staff member has said anything it's not radio silence.
As Bonjourhippo brought up, you've had a staff member have a message stated directly at you. That isn't radio silence.
Them "not communicating anything useful" is subjective. They've communicated and clarified several things concerning updates. They just haven't said what you want them to say, and they have no obligation to say what you want them to say. They have no obligation to say what I want them to say either, but I can go ahead and say "cronus come in here and tell me about your favorite curly fries" and get a response should Cronus decide that he wants to tell me about this time he had AMAZING curly fries.
Is it me or does anyone else think Taters unhealthy obsessive posts eventually will send him over the edge? I am just a lit concerned for his mental welfare.
your concerned friend Goldenrodd.
If there's no radio silence please point me to a post listing future plans.
@Golden-Crusaderr
I'm fine, I just keep re-iterating because a few bad eggs of this community seem hellbent on thinking a person who cares must have ulterior motives. :)
Wouldn't be surprised though if these bad eggs implying that, causes the game direction to continue down the wrong path though.
Diagnosis for a digital disease in a digital era. Good night.
Tater when reading a book do you skip to the end to find out what happend? Do you tell all the secrets so there's no suprises.
He stops at the first page and complains that there isn't a table of contents there.
Btw, I'm waiting for the day you'll be constructive in a post rather than get a high off derailing a thread.
I was constructive until you decided to resort to your usual rhetoric nonsense to get you out of admitting you're wrong. Soz buddy, my patience has limits, especially with lost causes.
You guys talk too much. Sometimes about nonsense.
Hey that's funny, I remember asking you to list what good Grey Havens has done since their acquisition half a thread ago, but I've gotten no answer out of you. This radio silence is killing me! I'm going to start a discussion right here right now about Petater's radio silence.
So everyone, what do you think about Petater's radio silence? He hasn't replied to my question that I asked him politely. Why haven't you answered me Petater?
Also, meta related, we've passed the 25 post mark. Go figure.
I'll bite your pointless bait, intended for PR bits:
- They did casinos to temporarily lower energy prices, although the pessimist in me sees that as fixing the symptoms rather than the cause, and to chase off people seeing the rising price trend from reposting a year later.
- They still keep the servers up.
- They still give promos for people to update their costumes.
- They tried? to do minor UI tweaks.
The point of the matter was the lack of what we're seeing, rather than what they have done. I'd prefer accumulating a history of what they've done in another thread rather than derailing a thread about what they should be doing.
@Lethal-Bunduru
Amen to that
They could be ignoring you (probably not the case), or you're not as important as you think you are, since you don't own the game. In game wealth means nothing, you are still a player like everyone else here.
Your suggestions are great, and would most likely work. The implementation would take much more time than 1 month. GH isn't obligated to reply either, they do what they want, and that's how it is. It's normal company behavior, so no problem.