I guess tone doesn't come across well. Not mad, just stating that I prefer quality over quantity when it comes to content.
"In WoW a cash spender has maximum advantage over non spenders."
Seriously? This sentence makes not sense. There are zero non-spenders in Wow because you have to pay to play the game.
"Yes, I have never spent real money for virtual money. Also, I will never be spending anything on MMOrpgs. That means I'm not simply doing this for myself. I'm doing this to help Spiral Knights become balanced."
You are a giant liar. Of course you're doing this for yourself!
"Lower Energy Prices", "Increase Mist Regeneration", "Drop ME in clockworks" : All three are just so you can play longer for free.
"More CE per dollar" : More CE into the market means more CE in game which means lower CE prices. Again, about playing longer and advancing easier.
I will give you credit over the other energy thread screamers because you've obviously grasped that with out people buying CE with $$, there's no CE to buy with crowns. (Most of the threads the non-payers complain about energy prices while insulting those who have paid $$ for CE.)
But regardless, this is all about benefiting yourself and you know it.
You keep comparing this game to WoW and talking about how the WOW system is soooo much better and that spiral knights is a rip off. The real point is that if you refuse to spend any $$ on an MMORPG, then you can't play WoW... but you can play Spiral Knights.
So you can dress is up all you like, but this thread boils down to... "SK IS FREE 2 PLAY AND I DON'T GET ENOUGH PLAY FOR FREE!!" just like all of the other energy threads.
@Coldtart
"I fail to see how casual players not using up expensive server bandwidth is a flaw."
Neither do i, i dont know where you got that from.
"Money doesn't grow on trees and Spiral Knights isn't free to run."
I know. Any product is intended to fetch their makers income. However, a company cannot simply think of its own profit. In order to be competitive, it must also make its consumers happy. Now why would anyone pay 15 dollars for an extra 105 hours worth of gameplay in a browser based game that is still in need of further developing when they can pay the same amount elsewhere to have 5208 hours of complete access in a much better product?
"The fact of the matter is this is a game that is free in name only, but can be played free indefinitely if you put about a quarter the effort that most WoW players put into that game."
I suppose you mean buying ce with crowns and using ce to grind. Sure, you can play indefinitely using this method however using ce to play is impractical and much less profitable than only using mist. WoW players actually enjoy the "effort" they put into the game. They dont just grind the same thing indefinitely just to gain a fraction of the maximum profit.
"Also, re-read my post. Thirteen people complaining about energy out of many thousands of active players is a tiny minority. The forums are in no way representative of the entire playerbase; only the most vocal of it."
Those are obviously not all of the threads complaining about energy. Those are just some of the threads that are simply used to combat what you insinuated. That there aren't lots of people that make complaint threads and that i'm lying. Even though they do not represent the entire playerbase, they are still opinions of players. It doesnt mean that just because there are less people who complain about it than the people who don't complain about it that it's any less true.
"Speaking of WoW, it's a foolish comparison. You pay full price for a game and three expansions and then have to pay per month to play it and you get a really slow paced game that's designed to take full advantage of the fact that you pay for a window of opportunity to play the game."
You can download the World of Warcraft for free off their website, and you even get a free 10 day trial. After 10 days you have to start paying. How did you come to conclude that it's a really slow paced game? If you mean that it takes you really long to reach the highest levels or become "elite" that is only because the game has lots of content and the content is still being updated regularly. All other expansion packs are optional. WoW itself is a massive game even if it is only the original, unexpanded version. As all subscriber based games are defined, WoW does take advantage of the window of opportunity you pay for. However, the players are given 5208 hours to take as much advantage as they can. If you are insinuating that 105 hours you can spend anytime you want is as good as 5208 hours(even if you cannot control it), then i'll have to tell you that you're wrong. Even if you include the free mist energy, that's only 167 hours of gameplay at the maximum. Even if you can store ce and spend it at your lesiure, what good is it when you dont spend it? So the ability to spend your energy at your lesiure is not enough compensation in exchange for 5041 more hours that count downs whether you like it or not.
"You offer no concrete evidence to support your claims, just your own opinion and the opinions of other people. A large number of players play indefinitely without paying a cent of real money"
How can you offer concrete evidence when you're talking about a system? A system is intangible. You cannot provide "concrete evidence" for claims regarding an abstract idea.
I do not offer evidence, I offer facts. Facts that are derived from reasoning and common sense.
Fact: Buyers are not given enough compensation(support for this is the fact that a WoW subscription is a better deal than spending 15 dollars in SK)
Fact: You can only play for about two hours a day where you get maximum profit.
Fact: That sucks.
Fact: Casual players are less likely to buy in game currency with real money. Active players will play for much longer than 2 hours. If they want to play longer they will want to buy energy, if they do not think the game is good enough to spend money on or offers a good deal for their money, they will quit.
Fact: Players quitting is not good for Three Rings.
"Your claim that the same amount of money as you spend on a subscription game per month gives you a tiny amount of play time ignores the fact that you can obtain more CE ingame and that a T2 run (especially JK) will almost always return a profit on the CE used."
Am I supposed to say it again? Using ce to play is impractical and much less profitable than only using mist. CE grinding is what it is, unprofitable grinding. You need to invest almost as much as the profit you expect. You can do it simply to play or kill time but it is simply not as rewarding.
"Furthermore, I regularly interact with players that mainly use their mist to play the game. Contrary to what you say, it is possible to play and enjoy Spiral Knights casually."
I never said it is impossible to play and enjoy SK casualy. It is very possible to enjoy SK as a casual player. And that's the problem, it's only if you are a casual player that you will enjoy it. The game discriminates against non-casual players. And that's a bad business model for any MMOrpg. The ideal target audience are active players who are more likely to spend real money.
"From this I can only infer that this just isn't the game for you. That isn't a fault with the game, it's no different to my aversion to games like WoW; just play a game that you actually like instead of trying to tell another game's developers that their game should change to be more like your favourites."
WoW is not in my "favorites list". I have never even played it. I am simply using it as an example because it is arguably the best MMOrpg in the market. I am simply showing Three Rings that they are giving a worse deal than a Blizzard's better game. I am in no way trying to get the game developers to turn the game into something more like WoW. I am not trying to change the game. This is a problem in the game that i have come to see after playing for some time. I have gotten up to t3 as a casual player but now that I am more active, the energy system has become a bigger problem. I am just trying to show the developers what's wrong with the game. I do not want them to change it. I simply want them to fix it.