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Hey everyone. I'm a player that sometimes pays real money for CE. Let's all band together and stabilize the price for 100CE at 7000CR. We're the only source of CE in the game, so if we all only post offers at 7k, eventually the bid prices will come up to match.

I don't feel like playing a video game for an hour should be worth more than 25 cents, so I'd like to see prices come up to reflect the low value of time spent playing a video game.

"I suggest everyone pitches in to try and stabilize the price at 3000 crowns (That price seems fair to everyone)."

It doesn't seem fair to me at all. Why is playing a video game worth so much money? I think you mean to say that it seems fair to YOU.

Because your Joined date is today but you're already talking about not being able to do more than 10 a day (you should have been able to do 20 on the first day) and talk about people complaining about prices when they hit 1k, something no one had done on the forums so you were probably there to see it if it happened.

And yes, there is a thread titled "low down energy prices! who is with me!" If 3000 isn't lower than what it is currently going for then I apologize for my poor math and hastily made conclusions.

"I didn't know I had to to a special registry to be able to post and didn't have a need to post until now. Thats something you should have been able to take into account."

Your joined date is the date your SK account was created. Even if you didn't post for a month your registration date would be a month ago. That's something you should have been able to take into account.

This is an admirable effort, but you're not taking the simple fact of supply and demand into account. If there were no players who felt that 100 CE was worth its current price, the price would fall. But there are clearly many players who are willing to purchase at near 4k (and climbing).

You may find that once you progress further into the game, and are able to gain more crowns per level (along with tons of materials), that the price is not so insane.

The complaint I would make is that, fair market aside, things will continue to get rougher for newer players operating on a Tier 1 income (such as yourself), which may drive some off before they're able to become properly addicted to the game. I think OOO will eventually need to add some additional mist tanks or similar energy welfare to keep the early experience smooth.

Edit: typo.

thrull, that's pretty much my reasoning behind it too

our issue was making the same resource valuable for all players, causing the market to gear towards those earning the most amount of money, rather than the average income based across all active characters

then again that is pretty much inevitable anyway

I didn't have to register for the forums, and I was able to post after creating an account.

But your regdate is irrelevant - this idea makes less sense than the sellers banding together to lock prices at a price THEY think is fair.

Why are so many people against lowering the energy costs?

More people would get to play.

More people would need items and mats. Demand rises. You can charge more for your wares, since there is larger competition for them.

People buy more CE to get those wares sooner.

Three Rings gets more money.

Things get updated.

???

Profit.

High energy costs is essentially forcing new players to pay real cash to play the game and will turn them away in scores.

Well, let's go through this point by point.

>Why are so many people against lowering the energy costs?
Because I don't want to pay real money for less value.

>More people would get to play.
I don't care. Explain why I should care if you get to play the game. Give me a good reason why I should subsidize your play if I can make significantly more money than you.

Also, this isn't necessarily true, as less people would sell energy in such an environment. If energy sells for large amounts of crowns there is an incentive for people to buy it with real money, because it's such good value for your money. If energy sells for a pittance then there's no value in spending money to convert to crowns.

>More people would need items and mats. Demand rises. You can charge more for your wares, since there is larger competition for them.
Great, so now items cost more, and I get even less value for my money. This sounds awesome so far.

>People buy more CE to get those wares sooner.
No they don't, unless you mean they're buying CE to dive for the money, in which case, sure, but that won't help you. And there's a limit to how much a single person wants to play, so they're really only going to buy a little energy at a time. And they probably make enough crowns from a dungeon run to buy CE at the market rate. Or they would, if anyone was selling energy; but they won't be selling energy, because there's no value in it.

>Three Rings gets more money.
Well, your premises are all wrong at this point so this is clearly wrong.

>Things get updated.

>???

>Profit.

It's funny that you referenced this because I think the underwear gnomes' business plan made more sense than yours.

>High energy costs is essentially forcing new players to pay real cash to play the game and will turn them away in scores.
Oh no! People might pay 3O money?! Or not play the game for free and load down the servers?

Energy is eventually going to stabilize at a price that corresponds to game balance and nothing else. There is nothing any of us can do that's going to change that. The next time you see a thread about energy, simply post this:

STOP MAKING THREADS ABOUT ENERGY.

Please post your energy at 3500 so I can buy it all. Thanks in advance. :)

Wow. I probably shouldn't feed the troll, but I've been amused at this horrifying thread, so why not add to it with my own 2 cents?

Cheaper energy would be great. I'm having difficulties getting in to tier 3, and having energy prices a bit lower would certainly make things easier. But do I require it? No. I am OK with playing mostly through mist energy, and then seeing if I have enough CE to keep going. I don't sell my mats too often (If people post a WTB, I'll poke them, but other than a couple shots at yelling to an uncaring world, I haven't bothered much) and so primarily get crowns by diving. It's not a fast route to tier 3, but I'm definitely getting there. Then again, I suppose I'm patient, and while I may not have many other things I want to do, I certainly can live with a minor constraint on my game-time in return for not paying out cash as of yet.

I do find it odd that no one is blaming the sudden influx of more players for the rise in energy price yet. I do not have any numbers on it, but just going from the fact that today there were 13 full Haven instances, while previously I had only seen 8-10 at most, makes me think we have more players joining. That would also explain the sudden demand for energy, because while I'm sure there are some more paying customers in there, most will start off trying to play for free, or only wanting to play for free. This drives the market price up, as the primary people selling CE should in theory be those who spent money for it.

Personally, I'm expecting energy prices to continue going up. 6k would probably be reasonable, and the market will undoubtedly at least fluctuate higher, if not topping out somewhere up above that. Either way, there is no deterrent to someone playing for free, as long as they limit game time. If you want to play more? Either find a way to make mad crowns, or put up cash. Seems fair to me. I mean, why wouldn't you pay to log in more hours on a game you enjoy? Can you sink more than the normal subscription cost of $15 a month into it, while getting the same game time? Of course. Is that fair, or worth it? That is completely subjective.

I will probably throw money in the game when I get a job, since then my time will both be more valuable and I will potentially have the expendable income, and may continue if it keeps appealing to me, but so far I'm not expecting it to last more than a few months. Hopefully three-rings will pleasantly surprise me, but there is little point in worrying about the future like that.

You are very ignorant aren't you anio?

If you don't have new players joining the game, which you are alienating with your piss poor attitude, then the game will go stale, people will leave, and it will tank. Without new players to put a lifeblood into the game, no one will have anyone to play with or do things with and OOO won't make any money.. This is a multiplayer based game, without the players, what are you left with?

You aren't paying me to play the game idiot.

Yes you do think you are better, your attitude reflects it perfectly.

If no one new ever joins the game, how is OOO going to make money?

I didn't mean obnoxiously spam it but to just spread the word that we are sick of paying your high and RIDICULOUS prices for a pittance of energy.

I hope that you don't have this sort of attitude when you do the stock market because you are in a for a very rude awakening.

You really can't control the economy, and you should honestly, just deal with it.

Sure, the prices raising slowly gets more and more annoying, But you know what? I'm willing to deal with it, and so are many others.

EDIT: Now if we're getting onto the topic of new players being able to play/get into the game, that's a totally different story.

"I don't care about you enough to appear intelligent in any way. This proves my point somehow."

- an idiot, 2011

Funny that you were just ranting about how little I ("paying players") respect you.

If you don't have any rational arguments to back up what you're saying, saying you "don't care" is not an argument. It's admitting that you can't actually think of anything to refute the arguments presented, so you're downplaying the importance of the argument. But obviously you do care about the argument, or you wouldn't continue to get angry at me about what an elitist I am.

I'm such an elitist for saying that you're not entitled to whatever you want for free.

Why should we non paying players give you any respect if you aren't going to give us any and you look down upon us merely because we don't pay?

I don't look down on you merely because you don't pay. I look down on you because you are arguing that you are entitled to play the game as much as you want, the way you want, for free. You're not. You are calling me ignorant and an idiot because I have suggested that you are not entitled to anything in this game that you did not pay for. You haven't given me a reason to respect you. You aren't entitled to my respect; you must earn it.

You don't earn my respect by insulting me and arguing in bad faith.

Also, there you go again, acting as though you speak for all "non-paying players".

I honestly don't like your attitude and I hope you get banned.

"I can't come up with any actual rational reasons why I'm right and you're wrong, so instead I will just complain about your attitude and submit a plea to have you removed from the discussion so I have one less person pointing out how wrong I am."

I am entitled to play the game as much as I want for free because it is free because that is how it is marketed.

You say you don't, but your attitude reflects otherwise.

You have to earn my respect as well.

I didn't submit anything officially so chill your knickers. It was a statement.

Entitlement is a problem many humans have.

Biggest wake up call to all of you: You are entitled to nothing in life. Not one thing except the right to eventually die.

You do not have a right to have a job, a good life, a long happy life. You SHOULD, but you are not entitled to it.

@god, its time you grow up some. Nothing in life is an entitlement! if tomorrow you get into a horrible car accident and lose your legs are you going to scream you are entitled to legs? Not if you are somewhat mentally stable. No one owes you anything and you owe no one anything.

@anis No one has to earn your respect. You are not entitled to be respected. You should be, if you are a reasonable human being, which you are not portraying in this thread. Argue not with emotions, but with logic and life will get better for you.

"I have been watching this, this being the debate over energy, paying and non-paying players, and the overall concepts of the game, for a while now. In doing so I have begun to note multiple trends that, to put it simply, are rending this game in two. This debate over energy and players, is very quickly escalating from a debate, one I might mention is epitomized by the "leftist" views of GodofSkype1 and the "rightist" views of anisoptera, to a civil war of sorts. The overall problem, from my stand-point is that if this game is not damaged by the energy crisis, then it will be by the player base being firmly divided against each other. Although you, anisoptera, have commented on how there is no middle-ground, both of you must agree, this is growing into a major problem for the game and the community."

Because they think they are better then us non paying folk, at least MOST seem to. Anis attitude isn't helping either, when it comes to changing my mind.

Are you crippled? Mine was simply an example. I know nothing about you, other then you have a very flawed and unstable attitude.

This debate over energy and players, is very quickly escalating from a debate, one I might mention is epitomized by the "leftist" views of GodofSkype1 and the "rightist" views of anisoptera, to a civil war of sorts.
It's kind of ironic that I'm really quite left-leaning in real life. I feel that when people's lives and well-being are actually on the line, then there IS some entitlement. But that kind of crap has no place in a video game. No one is going to die because they can't buy energy.

And seriously? It's a civil war? These are forum posts. I would bet that 99% of the players of the game don't even know we're having this argument.

The overall problem, from my stand-point is that if this game is not damaged by the energy crisis, then it will be by the player base being firmly divided against each other.

How? Explain how the player base is somehow divided. Also explain how the game would be damaged by this.

Although you, anisoptera, have commented on how there is no middle-ground, both of you must agree, this is growing into a major problem for the game and the community.

I most certainly do not have to agree with that. I don't think it's growing into a problem at all. I see one or two people vocally whining about how high the energy prices are, and most everyone else just dealing with it.

Remember, I'm the one arguing for NO changes. I'm the one that says "The system is fine as it is." I'm not arguing for the prices to be increased (except sarcastically, to point out the ridiculousness of both arguments) - it's going to increase because that's what will happen.

This is not a problem. It's one or two threads that I have spent way, way too much time arguing in.

@anisoptera No, you really are not entitled to respect. You really are not entitled to anything in life except to eventually die. That is the one thing you and I cannot escape. I wish you the best, you are far beyond reasoning if you cannot understand how you are NOT entitled to anything. No one cares if you or your close ones die, sad but true.

In an ideal world, you would be respected, for simply being a human being. We do not live in an ideal world. I hope you grow as a person sooner rather then later in life.

It's kind of ironic that I'm really quite left-leaning in real life. I feel that when people's lives and well-being are actually on the line, then there IS some entitlement. But that kind of crap has no place in a video game. No one is going to die because they can't buy energy.

Obviously it is just a game, but that does not stop some people from have strong feeling about it.

How? Explain how the player base is somehow divided. Also explain how the game would be damaged by this.

Half of the people want energy to change, the other half do not. If half the people left, leaving only the paying ones, the game would suffer. It suffers by the logic of 1) half the people leave, that just plain looks bad for a game, 2) those people will tell other people, who in turn will never go to it, 3) It is just bad business to only cater to half of the possible population.

I most certainly do not have to agree with that. I don't think it's growing into a problem at all. I see one or two people vocally whining about how high the energy prices are, and most everyone else just dealing with it.

You seem to have forgotten the countless other players who have posted in regards to this very issue. Maybe you have been paying to much attention to these few threads, but there are many others.