Spiral Knights - Patch Notes - March 22, 2012

Patch Notes - March 22, 2012 - weapon and economy changes

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Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:38

Nordlead

Items

Some balance changes have been made to some items:

Armor & Helms

Skelly series:
- Removed fire weakness

Magic Cloak series:
- Removed stun weakness

Drake Scale series:
- Added Poison resist.

Chaos set:
- Added Charge Time bonus
- Removed stun and sleep weakness

Justifier set:
- Added stun resist

Shadowsun set:
- Added poison resist
- Removed curse weakness
- Changed piercing defense to shadow defense
- Increased handgun damage bonus

Deadshot set:
- Added Handgun Attack speed

Nameless set:
- Added freeze resist

Bombastic Demo set:
- Added freeze resist
- Increased bomb damage bonus

Shields

Drake scale series:
- Added poison resist

Swords

Troika and Triglav Series, Thwack Hammer:

Charge attack changes:
- Charge attack is now a two hit combo
- Increased charge attack damage area
- First hit does not impulse or apply status, is weaker
- Second hit is more powerful, has status

Spur, Arc Razor and Winmillion:

Basic attack combo changes:
- Attack one no longer has a forward impulse.
- Attack one hit box narrowed and elongated slightly to bring inline with other swords.
- Attack two forward impulse increased slightly.
- Attack three knock-back impulse increased slightly.
- Attack three hit box widened.

Charge attack changes:

- Backstep at beginning of swing removed.
- Spur charge attack power reduced
- Arc Razor and Winmillion charge attack power increased, bullets now pierce through multiple targets

Economy
Crown and heat payouts for all levels will be undergoing adjustments over the next few patches in order to better balance the game economy and create a better experience for all players. In this patch you will see changes to missions and levels that were previously awarding an overabundance of crowns and heat.

UI
- Smilies typed into chat may be transformed into an appropriate emote.
- Mac OS: text editing commands will now follow Mac conventions.
- Added a confirmation check for exchange missions.

Bugfixes
- Fixed the collision on Cursed Nature Sprites to resolve a bug where they could get stuck.
- Fixed bugs with depositing Cursed Nature Sprites in the Sprite Sanctuary.
- Fixed a bug that could cause a freeze when using chat history.
- Mecha Knight monsters will properly block player bullets.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:40

Nordlead

I'm glad the armor changes

I'm glad the armor changes went through so quickly. I'm going to have to check out the chaos set now since the CTR bonus is intriging.

Also, this seems like the end of FSC Farming for massive crowns, which I think is an extremely good move. I doubt this'll cause CR to drop soon, but it should help decrease the rate of inflation.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:42

Metagenic

Yay, I like this. Particularly Shadowsun - finally, gunners get a great shadow armor!

QQ I couldn't complete The Gauntlet in time to unlock the FSC mission and farm up enough cr for a Sentenza recipe. But since OOO are trying to balance out the economy, I'll let this one slide.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:48

Sillty

Not sure I like the spur

Not sure I like the spur changes. It feels like it lost some of its uniqueness.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:48

Metagenic

announcements forum

right at the very top (don't click "general", click "english language forums")

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:50

Demonicsothe

That was a pretty damn short

That was a pretty damn short time between Nick's post and this patch.

Great changes, especially that troika buff. Increased damage area and status :D

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:53

Embodien

Economy fixedEveryone

Economy fixed
Everyone complaining about ce prices can now watch them drop (:

buuuut... the emotes i don't think many people will like this...

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:52

Nordlead

@Metagenic

but then we can't discuss it. If we could, I'd be typing in that forum right now. Here you can discuss the changes. I wanted to see what people thought about the changes. Especially the economic portion. I guess I could have linked it, but I know people are lazy.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 10:54

Biznasty

- Smilies typed into chat may

- Smilies typed into chat may be transformed into an appropriate emote.

WHY

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:02

Thimol

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I share Biznasty's sentiment.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:06

#10

Asukalan

OMG, What the hell, now

OMG,

What the hell, now emoticon spam???????????

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:08

#11

Canozo

Brace Yourself.

Brace Yourself.
T3 LD Gunners are coming.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:15

#12

Asukalan

"EconomyCrown and heat

"..... and heat payouts"
heat payouts? HEAT PAYOUTS?

-Welcome heat gringing, i bet they will cut it completly down to make us buy heat amps in order to heat up silly 3* weapon.

"Crown and heat payouts for all levels will be undergoing adjustments"

-For all levels?? ALL LEVELS?
There were complaints only about few missions, mainly arena missions (gaunlet) and FSC mission and they are going to adjust ALL LEVELS?
Its just an excuse to completly limit players ability to earn crowns on all lvls and make us all be forced to buy more and more CE for $$ money.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:16

#13

Metagenic

@Nordlead

Sillty was asking about where you found this. I redirected him to the announcements forum, but he edited his post. Sorry if it caused any confusion.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:17

#14

Demonicsothe

Could be moving some profits

Could be moving some profits from missions fsc to other low paying zones...

But as usual, asukas post has a point xD

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:25

#15

Volkani

beep

@Asukalan: Because adjustments can only ever go downwards, right?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:28

#16

Sniperjoe

Asuka, if you spent as much

Asuka, if you spent as much time playing the game you're complaining about as you do on the forums, you just might be able to earn enough crowns to buy your first 100 CE.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:34

#17

Asukalan

"In this patch you will see

"In this patch you will see changes to missions and levels that were previously awarding an overabundance of crowns and heat."

This patch will ONLY REDUCE amount of HEAT and CROWNS in BOTH LEVELS and MISSIONS

They 'say' in future ("over the next few patches") they will balance thing (allowing a slight possibility of making levels pay more cr/heat) but this update may never come or, they will decide that they will reduce everything even more in last moment.

But now, THIS update will ONLY REDUCE crown and heat payout, not only in missions but also regular clockwork.

ps. no word about mechaknights fix (while they also say that it will be fixed with next update).

ps.2 Sniperjoe, parents didnt teched you that its rude to interrupt adults talking?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:37

#18

Neodasus

I'm glad I used the CR payout

I'm glad I used the CR payout from FSC to get the UVs I wanted from Punch

Made it out just in time...

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 11:41

#19

Blakkwaltz

boo yah triglav buff

oh yeah we have been waiting and now we got it :D

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:55

#20

Extribble

Updates look good, bugfixes

Updates look good, bugfixes too. Gives me more stuff to craft... *Must make Chaos and Gunslinger sets*

Mechanights still need their shield fix :/ Edit: /derp Ima blind tribble :x

"Backstep at beginning of swing removed." I'm interpreting this as a Spur-only fix, but does this also apply to the DA? The charge fix would be very nice :3

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:01

#21

Juances

Some people cant read or simply overreact instantly

"Crown and heat payouts for all levels will be undergoing adjustments over the next few patches in order to better balance the game economy and create a better experience for all players"

They didnt say everything will be nerfed. Adjustments can be good or bad.
Shut up and wait to see what they do.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:04

#22

Golfdinger

Other way around, Neodasus.

Other way around, Neodasus. You lost out just in time. Those crowns you spent are about to be worth more.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:06

#23

Asukalan

"all levels will be

"all levels will be undergoing adjustments over the next few patches" over few next patches, not now, in next patches, and when they will come? We dont know. Will the soonest patch bring us another adjustment and luckly it will be nerf? WE DONT KNOW.

What we know?

"In this patch you will see changes to missions and levels that were previously awarding an overabundance of crowns and heat."
THIS PATCH, todays patch will ONLY REDUCE amount of crowns and heat in both MISSIONS and LEVELS. This patch will ONLY REDUCE.

While i know many MISSIONS that give overabundance of crowns i dont know any LEVEL that may be accused of giving too much crowns.

Before you accuse someone that he dont read stuff, better read stuff carefully.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:10

#24

Nordlead

@Metagenic - oh, that makes

@Metagenic - oh, that makes sense now.

@Asukalan - would it really be that bad if we were forced back into the clockworks just like we used to do before the mission system? On top of that, decreased crown payout will cause CR deflation, not CR inflation. If CR become scarcer and therefore more valuable then CE prices will decrease.

I do think that T3 players should make more than T2 players, who should make more than T1 players. I think this because it takes more effort to beat T3 stages and 4/5* armor costs more. However, I don't think it is fair for T3 players to be raking in over 30kcr (with selling tokens) per 100ce, while T2 players can only make ~11kcr and T1 make less than 7kcr per 100ce. The T1 & T2 rates are similar to just running the clockworks, but the T3 rate is significantly higher (~8kcr/100ce) than skipping down to Vana directly in the clockworks. I think the addition of the T3 mission system gave people like me an unfair advantage over others to earn CR and heat.

The interesting thing about levels & missions, is levels doesn't mean clockworks, but instead I interpret it as a specific stage in either the clockworks or the missions. I do not know how to interpret "levels" but I do think you are overreacting especially with thinking OOO is going to cut heat so drastically that you can't easily heat a 3* weapon. With the current FSC Mission, I heated a 5* item in a single run with a few heat donations. I had enough heat left over to heat at least another 1/2 of a level 9 item. I don't remember being able to do things like that before.

There is also no mention of fixing a missing , from the prestige totals.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:06

#25

Jaroche

When I finally have a real

When I finally have a real reason to get shadow sun (better gun damage + shadow def), fsc mission is getting nerfed... meh just lost interest in the game.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:10

#26

Nordlead

did you not have interest in

did you not have interest in the game before the FSC mission?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:13

#27

Sillty

@Nordlead - no, I stopped

@Nordlead - no, I stopped playing for over half a year, and came back after it was added. :)

Apologies for the edit earlier, I realized my question was stupid and tried to edit my way out, but didn't make it in time before someone responded.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:16

#28

Asukalan

@Nordlead Im completly with

@Nordlead
Im completly with you that player base should be directed to normal clockworks BUT

Read patch annoucment. THEY WILL start with REDUCING amount of CR and HEAT payout not only in missions but also in regular levels! Reducing crown payout in regular levels is nowhere near making more players do it.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:21

#29

Kive

awesome

this is the best patch in a long time

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:26

#30

Damienfoxy

um no

tired of people threatening my crowns.

since i'm more than happy to work my TAIL off to get them from fsc.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:26

#31

Neodasus

CE prices will still be the

CE prices will still be the same because you have to grind twice as much

OOO wins because now you spend more time for less

Thanks F2Ps, I think I'll buy 20kce and maybe spend it all on trinket slots till 2020 just because I can.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:27

#32

Ryuumaru

i can haz luv

Troika line. Finally given some love. O^O

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:30

#33

Neodasus

CE prices are relative Think

CE prices are relative

Think time = CR = CE

You're spending more time now than you ever have before, gj nailing yourself to a cross guys. I'm still off scot-free though. The FSC missions were great because two runs gave you a UV roll, so I got out pretty well.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:30

#34

Qazxedcv

Okay then...

@Asuka

Nowhere in that post have they said anything about reducing CR and HEAT in normal levels.
They merely said adjusted, and based on the remaining content, I can easily see how you jumped to the conclusion that they would be nerfing payout on ERRYDING!!!!!

However, they said nothing of that sort.

They said they would reduce crown and heat payout on missions and levels that were giving out too much crowns and heat.

Nowhere are they saying they will do the exact same thing to regular levels.

ADJUSTMENTS does not mean NERF NERF NERF 100% of the time.

Also, calm down, you're getting worked up over a GAME.

Stay cool,
~Qaz

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:34

#35

Kive

O.O

tryed the new troika charge its sick

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:37

#36

Asukalan

"Economy Crown and heat

"Economy
Crown and heat payouts for all levels"

"will be undergoing adjustments over the next few patches"

"In this patch you will see changes to missions and levels that were previously awarding an overabundance of crowns and heat."

All levels means it will affect both missions and regular levels.

Will be undergoing adjustments over the next few patches, next few patches. Not now, it will be adjusted in not yet determined future that may never come.

In this patch, we will se changes to missions and levels, again it shows that both missions and regular levels will be affected and a word 'overabundance' shows that it will be strictly nerf of crowns and heat income from levels.

So, as i said before. YES. This patch 'adjustments' are ONLY REDUCING amount of crowns and heat BOTH in missions and regular levels.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:40

#37

Narutomaki

Wooohooo =D

Wooohooo =D Emoticonz !!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
:O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:43

#38

Nordlead

@Neodasus - you are ignoring

@Neodasus - you are ignoring that the reason CE is sold in the first place is because people DON'T want to grind and they have a limited amount of time in a day to grind. They sell CE to get CR. If they can't get CR fast enough they will sell more CE. The more CE that hits the market, the cheaper it gets (in terms of CR).

Not that I actually expect CE prices to drop from this. Only a decrease in how fast it rises. I think the price will rise to the mid 7k's unless we get back to back promo's again. Hopefully an Easter promo right after this current one.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:46

#39

Zaderules

Welp, there goes my plan of

Welp, there goes my plan of getting a twilight aura, Flourish asi VH, stun max wolver set, shock max wolver set >_>

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:46

#40

Trying

RAGE

you cant start a sentence with lol anymore!!!!!!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:47

#41

Thimol

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Sniperjoe, parents didnt teched you that its rude to interrupt adults talking?

lol you should listen 2 ur own advise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:50

#42

Shion-Sinx

omg

the problem is not missions giving high amounts of heat and cr, as they are HARD.

problem is the lack of a cap to the maximum times you can do it in a day.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:50

#43

Ubernerd

Um... It says right there at

Um... It says right there at the bottom "Mecha Knight monsters will properly block player bullets." How are people not seeing this? And who cares if they nerfed the crowns for KoA? Maybe now the Clockworks will be a viable option for money-making.

Asukalan, you complain about pretty much everything new in this game. Your arguments hold no weight with myself (and probably anyone else who's run across your unfounded rage) due to your incessant complaining and whining about nearly every patch. I honestly believe you would complain if they payed you to play this game.

And also, "ps.2 Sniperjoe, parents didnt teched you that its rude to interrupt adults talking?"

What is this mess? Didn't YOUR parents "teched" YOU that it doesn't help your argument when you type like a 3rd-grader and use 3rd-grader-esque not-really-insults? Come on, man. Lessen up on the immature rage and maybe people will actually respect what you say a little.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:53

#44

Neodasus

@Nordlead probably because I

@Nordlead

probably because I don't buy CE like I'm living off of bread and water

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 13:02

#45

Asukalan

Here we go, end of arguments,

Here we go, end of arguments, its typo pointing out war?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 13:04

#46

Gwenyvier

Like everything from this

Like everything from this update... except the emote changes. Also the changes to the Troika line and the Thwack Hammer seem to have missed, they seem to still be 1 hit. (Bug report has been sent.)

~Gwen

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 13:12

#47

Goofio

Can anybody tell me what the

Can anybody tell me what the new payout for FSC is? I probably won't have time to do a run today.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 13:12

#48

Bluescreenofdeath

thoughts

Spur:
Have not tried it yet but the changes to the Spur's swing sound bad. The only thing I liked it for was have a very wide swing arc, if that is gone then that sword is dead to me. Changes to the Spur's charge attack sound positive though.

Troika lines:
The changes to the first 2 swings sound great (wonder how often the 2nd hit procs though). The change to the charge attack sounds very underwhelming though. Sounds like they just made it like the Rocket Hammer's charge (which I hate). The problem with the Troika's charge attack was that it took too bloody long & by making it a 2 swing it sounds like they have not made that any better...

Armor changes sound awesome though.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 13:14

#49

Neodasus

@Gold Like I care about

@Gold

Like I care about crowns being worth more, the dollar will always be worth more than CR. I already maxed out my equipment long ago, I already crafted everything i wanted, I already have all the godly UVs I need, I already have the wings and limited edition costume items.

What else would I spend CR on? CE? LMAO like I need it, I just craft for prestige.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 13:15

#50

Nick

Developer

Gwen - Are you sure? It's a

Gwen - Are you sure? It's a single sword strike but there is an initial hit and then an immediate 'aftershock' hit in the same spot. Since there's no impulse on the first hit, you almost certainly hit your target twice. Try it out.

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Patch Notes - March 22, 2012 - weapon and economy changes