U BE MAD BRUH?!
OOO i quit - by Cocosnake
So you're saying that because he spent a lot of money, the game should continue to screw over all other players so he can feel special with his equips?
Yeah, because Diablo will be any different. "ZOMG BLIZZARD I SPENT $9K ON RMAH NOW U RELEASE BOSS THAT GIVES SAME EQUIPS FOR LESS? NO, [SCRAP] U I QUIT YOU SUCK!" Think they are going to change anything?
@Spectrumized
Did I ever say those words? Did I ever imply the company should change the update because he is upset?
Really? I did? Can you quote where I said that?
Of course you can't... because I never said anything like that. What I said was that OOO should have responded publicly to his post and explained their position to try and retain, arguably, their best customer in terms of revenue. But I'm not even going to bother with trying to explain my post any further to you... seems like you're just looking to pick a fight without actually comprehending what people write.
And, to your last sarcastic and nonconstructive comment... believe it or not, Blizzard actually has good PR (unlike OOO). If Blizzard designed a game where a single player could spend $9,000 in a single year just with the company--which you would struggle to do even in WoW--I'm sure the player would get a reply on the forums from Bashiok or another staff member. And I'm also willing to bet it wouldn't be "please don't swear" -- a useless and, frankly, patronizing reply.
(Also, $9,000 on the real money auction house is not the same as $9,000 in CE. OOO retains all $9,000 from the customer while Blizzard retains only a small fraction of $9,000 that passes through the real money auction house... so your logic is flawed here as well, which really isn't surprising given the general credibility and demeanor of your previous post).
This is a good thread and I'd hate to see it locked or sent to the Graveyard.
Kielos, I'd be REALLY surprised if any company responded apologetically to such a bombastic complaint on a public forum and offered to make full restitution. However, it's not unheard of. To counter your claim of OOO's poor PR, I offer the example of the player Echo losing his name to an NPC in the Hall of Heroes, finding his own handle (which came first!) uncerimoniously switched to The-Echo. He complained on the forum, and a day or two later, The-Echo was Echo once again. Now, that's a simple fix (and was probably a mistake brought about by automatic name filters or some such) but it was one that caused a ripple in the community and was in OOO's best interest to fix, PR-wise.
Coco's complaint isn't that simple, considering that it involves game balance and serious investments of currency, past and future. I would wager that if OOO wanted to contact him and start a dialogue, they'd do so privately. Judging from the way this thread's going, I would hate to wade into this circus with an official company reply to him, whether positive or negative - depending on your point of view, it would be "caving to whiners" or "listening to player feedback" -- it's all a matter of perspective.
Eury and the other community managers probably aren't empowered to speak for the company. Her comment wasn't meant to serve as a reply to Coco's general complaint, but rather moderating the tenor of the debate.
Cocosnake's post is requesting OOO change or remove a feature based on his opinion on the subject. You were replying to that thread in a way that looked like you were defending Cocosnake's thread, therefore I took it as though you were defending his point on changing or removing a feature.
As to the Blizzard comment, how do you think Blizzard would reply? Say 'Sorry'? If OOO or Blizzard did that it wouldn't accomplish anything more than what Eurydice's post did.
The-Echo incident was actually handled really well from what I recall. Some GM immediately took initiative and responded to the effects of "they'll look into it", and then later it was remedied.
Here, OOO dropped the ball. They could have just used a standard BS line like "We're very sorry to read that you did not enjoy our recent updates. Here at OOO we strive to make the best possible playing experience for the player we possibly can. We would like to discuss your dissatisfaction in more detail in hopes to possibly remedy the issue and ensure continued player satisfaction with our future updates, please contact us using the in-game support e-mail".
Okay maybe not something so formal so it doesn't look so blatantly BS, but something to that effect would have totally lessened the impact of the rage from the community. They don't even have to fix Cocosnake's problem, once the discussion goes private the rest of us wouldn't know if it was fixed or not. We would all see that OOO seemed like they were listening to us and trying to fix the problem.....even if that was never their motive nor intention.
Although I think the key difference here to The-Echo incident is this problem affects more than one person and has more than one person raging. I don't think OOO has the guts to try and respond to this one....because it won't be a simple win for them because they're not prepared to do anything. But the mistake with that is, the missed opportunity to lessen/diffuse the situation for all the rest of us reading about this.
I've notice that OOO has a strong tendency, to the point I think it's their strategy, to just IGNORE things they want to pretend doesn't exist. "If we don't acknowledge it, it doesn't exist" or "Maybe if we just ignore it, it'll just go away". That "strategy" is causing way more problems than they think it's averting, and everything you see here and in other similar threads is an indication of such. Although it's another reason why I think OOO is targeting bringing new players in rather than caring about the old players.....old players remember things....new players are ignorant.
@Sniperjoe
You raise some points that are well taken, but I'm still firm on the position that doing nothing when a player claims to have spent $9,000 on your product is the wrong way to go. It sends a message, at least based on my perspective (and I doubt I'm alone), that OOO doesn't care about its P2P customers. That when a customer makes a significant investment in the company and is upset, OOO doesn't feel it is their responsibility to reply--in other words, they don't feel accountable.
Sure, the OP is upset. Could he have worded his complaint in a better manner? Yes. But do most upset customers, when they contact the company where they made a purchase or spent money, behave reasonably? Probably not. In fact, from the customer service stories I've heard, many are very upset and very unreasonable. But does that stop most companies from responding? Of course not!
Would it have killed OOO to make a response to this thread the same way you just did to me? OOO could have said something along the lines of: "Hey, we hear your concerns. We have a policy of not addressing these matters publicly, but we appreciate the OP's feedback and will continue the conversation with him privately." To be honest, they probably wouldn't even need to go that far. Any acknowledgement would be more appropriate than what OOO has done so far. And now... well, the situation probably warrants a much more detailed response. Not just to the OP's concerns, but to why OOO has handled the situation so poorly.
@Spectrumized
I respectfully disagree. Eurydice's post consisted of: (1) follow our rules, (2) if you don't, we will close the thread (hide the problem) rather than take away the privileges of the users who are violating our forum policies (which would be the more appropriate action), and (3) we have nothing to say to the OP. Eurydice's post didn't even acknowledge the OP... it was only to try and keep "order" on the forums. Furthermore, I think you greatly underestimate the power of an apology.
I also think that Blizzard, in the same situation, would at least provide some rationale for the change (which we already understand and may be unsatisfying, but again is better than nothing). Lastly, I think Blizzard would encourage discussion of creative solutions or, at least, ways to remedy why the player is upset.
Again, my opinion on the matter is some communication is better than no communication, which is what happened here.
i don't want to hit a bad comment, but $9000? you can buy friends with that. seriously, if you have more money than that in real life, go hit up a lawsuit against OOO for bait and switch. (not like you'll win.)
Better chance an indictment than a lawsuit. But it's not as if the two have any mathematically calculable chance of happening anyway.
sorry if you didn't catch the sarcasm in the post. you can't sue OOO. as per TOS, OOO reserves the right to do anything with the game.
Then I believe it is a matter of pure opinion on whether saying, "I'm sorry, but let's try and think of ways these players will feel better." We have told Cocosnake, Rommil, and Pawn that they still have their items, it was their (The trio of UVers) decision to roll, and that it benefits other players too.
Besides, is there any way, or reason, to try and discuss a matter with players who are not open for opposing opinions, announce that they have already decided to quit, yet stay on the forums?
Eury probably didn't post relevant to the thread because then SHE'D be under fire.
Eury is only community support (No offense Eury). If anyone would comment on this in a relevant way, it would be Nick. Eury's probably just hanging back, letting the players argue it out, and just doing her job.
However, if NICK posted and didn't say anything relevant, THEN you could be mad. I assume it's supposed to be Nick's responsibility to explain to the players the reasons of the things OOO does, so you can't blame Eury for NOT bringing it up.
However, in any case, if a GM posted relevant to the topic, they'd personally come under fire as well as OOO, and whatever they say can be misinterpreted or taken for truth/exaggerated.
For matters like these, I highly doubt OOO will bother with individual claims. For smaller issues like the 'Echo' incident, they can deal with it on a personal level easily. In this sort, not so much.
Give me 1 week ban.
I want to see if i come back.
You suck the community is awesome, and i <3 them, but it's too much.
Ban me 1 week. If i decide i'll stay i'll shut up, if not then i can give away my sh*t next week and go away.
Try asking the GMs to do ERP with you in a support request. That might get you a ban. :)
@Eurydice please lock this thread, i find it worse than swearing that people are abusing such an epic game (Spiral Knights is pretty much my life at the moment)
There was no reason to lock this thread, for it had died.
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Then you necro'd it -_______-
Nice necro. If you really wanted this thread gone you wouldn't necro this, or you'd only post asking for it to be graveyarded after someone ELSE necroed.
/graveyard anyone? I also caught wind of OP being around, but maybe that's just gossip.
Ummm? HmMmMmM? What party? Hum? Coconuts? No, sorry. Cocosnake*. He is back I think.... Must bump this thread up even though it a rage thread about the worst patch OOO have made which is fixed now! Let the party set the floor, let the party set the floor!
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