Remove the curse words.

Quoting from the ToS: "If it is filtered in-game, DO NOT used it on the forums."

Another raging F2P who doesn't realize that he's playing a great game for free and that to ask for OOO to restrict P2P trade to 6k cr per 100 CE maximum would be crossing the line.

Don't worry Lavitzer, you're sane. You're just not the first to say "hey guys, ce is too high, and its killing the game". Most people like you who find a problem with the fact that newer players can't get anywhere on just jelly king end up leaving. This means that we've already filtered out most of the people who care about the welfare of newer players, and disagree with the fact that we (F2Pers) are all essentially just working for the P2Pers to be able to have more cr to bid against each other should they feel like it. Welcome to Spiral Knights.

Its not a player run economy.

OOO controls it indirectly, and has far far far more influence in the long run than any one player, or even any group of players. Buying 10,000 USD of CE and then selling it all for cheap is in now way a solution in the long run, nor is it reasonable to expect most players to invest enough to make a difference, or to invest entirely to make a difference. OOO controls everything, and there is nothing feasible that you can do that will cause any kind of permanent change.

Say you do lower it down for a day with the power of your almighty wallet- you'd cap out at 200 dollars spent, and would have 80 thousand ce. Lets say that you sold all of that- thats 800 bids of CE. That would buy out most of the experienced players' crown reserves, and would leave the market at a decent 1000 cr lower, maybe.

So what would happen to the market? Players would be happy for a while, yes. But then it would rise again. And unless you're made of money, you're not going to spend 200 USD every month to lower the price of CE.

Now lets talk about implications. If I lower the price of CE, it makes people's gear go up faster. This in turn allows them to get crowns faster. They'll be more likely to expand the game. This is great and what we all want in the long run, but you'll have lowered your level of influence on the game in doing so. So next month, you'll have to make a new account and pay even more to support this. No amount of money will last forever in such a system.

I will take over here. Have you heard of Supply and Demand? Well, these need to keep at a balance. It kinda looks like this grid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand See that graph there? That point where they collide is the pinpoint and it fluxates naturally based on need and how many are being sold. IF the need outways how much there is, price will naturally rise! Now what you are advising is a putting a roof on the economic system. Doing this will create a bridge between the demand and supply and will lead to a MASSIVE fluxuation that will kill the economic system. The US government has tried doing the same thing with gasoline decades ago. Gas immediately became severely scarce and companies stopped producing because it became more of a loss than a gain. This is why capping is a bad idea. It kills an economic system that has already been established.

I sense a greedy player

But with said "Good Sport" stuff, more Cr will be generated. With that, more cr=Expensive ce.

Inflation and deflation changes that.

CE promos/New content/payout changes can reduce the prices.

I seen it happen during the explorer pack discount, dragon and valk wings and some others.

Fact is, what players would do is buy CE and then immediately put it back on the market just to gain that 2k CR. It would create an infinite loop for money, ever breaking the game. Players would take advantage of this inflation would skyrocket to where crowns would be worthless.

But F2P players could either get generous donations from P2P players, or buy it themselves via market.

Then sell it.

Do you have a separate computer?

Run an alt account and use its mist to craft 2* stuff to make extra cash. Or you can use it to pay your elevator fees for 5 runs with your main. It will also earn crowns while you're at it (and can be used to give yourself more heat.)

And it's legitimate

Now do you have enough crowns for getting the ce you need? Cool.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

CE Promos.

With capes.

Also, GH upgrades may or may not require Crowns or Energy. If it's energy... prices gonna go up. If it's Crowns... and PLEASE NICK LET IT BE CROWNS... it'll suck crowns out of the game, lowering the prices. I really hope a CE promo with capes comes out at the same time as all this.

In the meantime, you can run JK, or maybe IMF since it's been rebalanced. Also, if you get good at Lockdown or Blast Network (though the latter has so few players, and the former, well, you'll want to be pretty well geared... *sigh*) you can buy stuff with Krogmo Coins. You can sell these things, or just use them in Trinkies. (Or learn the recipes if you got a recipe with the KCs.)

Also, if it's not too much, an Elevator Pass is wonderful to have. It's nice to be able to just... run and run and run the Clockworks, with no pressure if you suddenly have to leave.

"I started the game two or three days ago."

Let me stop ya there...

"Alright, I'm getting some real great feedback and then I'm getting some douches..."

Nice way to Attract s'more Trolls.

It failed.

We just mostly wait for routine now.

@Juances, we always said that. He's not taking it in sadly.

I didn't even bother reading after seeing "I started two or three days ago.". I may read te rest later.

I'm assumin the TL;DR is "I'm poor and I need cheap CE."

"Take my Side in this Argument or I'll Ignore your Post & Pretend to Read it."

That's all I hear from you.

Also, TYPING IN BIG WORDS DOESN'T MAKE YOU SOUND BIG & SCARY. IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A FOO, FOO.

First, before I say anything, lemme get this straight. I AM F2P. I have never payed a cent for SK, and yet I got to full 5* within 2 months. Its not all that hard.

Let me point out the flaws in your plan, please give some thought to this matter.

You are suggesting that P2P players get an additional 2k for every sale they make.

That means, 10k for every sale they make.

Then, they buy off the market for 8k. Sell for 10k. Etc. 2k crs generating every time they click that button.

THIS DOES NOT HELP NEW PEOPLE.

Because, every time they click that buy button, they are raising the CE price.

Because they are raising the price, F2Pers cannot buy CE.

They are then forced to quit or buy CE.

If they buy, they become P2P and get that 2k crs bonus.

The price goes higher until everyone is P2P, and OOO is rolling in cash.

The gamers then say: screw this! The game is WAY to easy now!!! I quit!

The game dies.

OR, we could have things go on normally, everyone earns their way through the game, and ragers still come onto the forums and rage about perfectly normal prices.

Your pick.

Thats about as easy as I can make it. If you still do not understand, it is either deliberate or you are, sorry to say, stupid.

Ignorant's gunna be Ignorant.