Darn, you beat me to the punch... I have half a word document with all sorts of detailed questions regarding the 8/8 patch. Mind if I post that tomorrow and link your post?

Also, love the logo. xD

Evilnut DEMANDS it OOO.
DEMANDS.

But let me help you:
1. Don't care.
2. Don't care.
3. Can't fix.
4. Don't care.

Ha. Your logo is rather apt.

But hey, at least we got a responce to stun. It'll get fixed. Eventually. I'm actually hopeful that it'll be fixed in a week. Remember when people whined about LD breaking? That only took a week to fix. So who knows. I'll throw my hat in with the bomber bile instead of the ticket debacle if a week goes by and nothing happens.

Oh, and if OOO didn't intend for the ticket thing, they're certainly complacent. They allowed it to happen. They're not just implicitly for cheating given their lack of responce, but outright endorsing it through their actions.

Turns out there was a responce clarifying how tickets are given out before the patch went live. That says that OOO were keeping tabs, and KNEW people would do this. Hell, even Rawrcake was telling people to hurry up and get on with the exploiting. OOO could have easily pushed the patch back instead and altered the release to only grant tickets for bound bombs. Preferably without telling anyone. But no. That would have actually required some effort and the ability to respect their playerbase.

F***ing disgraceful. Actually encouraging people to cheat. This game has no integrity, and neither do the people that run it. What I would give to be able to walk away from the thousands of hours I've dumped into this game. To follow in the footsteps of Nicoya or Spiralspy. They had the right idea.

But no. I am chained here. Forever digging a larger hole.

I demand you give me all your ce crowns and items!!

Unfortunate how we have seen multiple times, people who should give answers are avoiding topics like that (where players loyal players are asking for answers which may be uncomfortable for OOO) with great accuracy, answering in topics with lack of meteoritic quality.

Dorael as mister Realistic killjoy over here
(<3 you Dor!)

I dunno, I'm kind of digging the new logo. It's like they're grown-up snipes, and they're so modest that they don't even have their heads in the clouds about anything.

That being said - holy #*!@ it's a game and a small group of you are taking it way too seriously. Up until the last two or three updates the only complaint was "hey can we get new levels", which we've gotten with several new danger missions that have been rolled out recently. Maybe that and "the gameplay's getting stale what can we do to spruce it up", but even then. I feel like the point being made in this particular thread would've been better off without those levels though, because at least then you all would have room to complain about the lack of content as well as crappy quality checks with updates.

The thing is - and it's quite a simple thing really, but bear with me because based on the new logo that's been presented, I have to assume I'm not dealing with a very imaginative person here - the developers, the artists, the coders, the GMs and whoever else may or may not be running the show? They're human beings. They make mistakes. They're really no different than anyone else in that they're not perfect with everything they do. Should they apologize? Maybe, it never really hurts to try and smooth things over. But how does anyone expect any kind of customer service when the customers they're trying to appease are going to complain no matter what happens at this point? I'm going to let you in on a little secret. It's something I picked up first-hand as a former forum administrator myself: By maintaining a closed-door policy, they do themselves a favor by not opening the issue up for community legislation or debate, because in the end it's their call. However they want things to be done is simply how it's going to be done. Unless the entire community shows some sort of outrage (not just the vocal minority, as is the case in this thread), OOO will ultimately be justified with their decisions. It's how basic business works, and moreover, it's how basic administration works on forums of this nature.

So, in essence there's two real options here for everyone who feels like they need to gripe about every single thing going wrong right now - you (as a collective) can either leave, or you can stay, wait it out, and hope your issue is addressed. In either case, making threads and posts raging about things not being done your way doesn't do much here except highlight that "vocal minority" I mentioned earlier, as well as reinforce that the point of this thread isn't to highlight issues but rather take a stab at someone or something because you're upset.

Feel free to take note of the fact that I'm not disregarding that there are problems that need to be fixed, such as the stun issue and possibly the other things you linked to. However, I don't need to click a majority of the things you linked to in order to determine that you're just parroting things you read and highlighting them for the sake of highlighting them.

the new logo?
Ｉｔ＇ｓ　ａｂｓｏｌｕｔｅｌｙ　ｆａｂｕｌｏｕｓ　ｘＤ

I've submitted several bug reports, actually 1 got a response from nick.

But the other two have been sitting there for days, all i can do is HOPE they're fixing it.

C'mon even a single phrase "We're trying to find a solution" will be nice.

And yes RSS is a joke, as I said: The most feared RSS in LD is now some toy to just look at.
It's incrediblely underpowered. I just wasted 800CE+25kCR crafting it into SSS, the 5* version of RSS. Yes I admit is fun to use, looks great and audio effect is cool but I can barely kill anything with it (yep with my 1bar fiends hop around and officechair me while I'm chilling out in the awesome ring). I think it's gonna sit in my arensal for a long time, maybe till next year (if I'm still playing) I'll take it out and write a eulogy xD.

I see them more like a sleeping ostrich than a hiding one. Thumbs up.

Do you understand what Game Masters and Community Managers do?? People are real stupid sometimes..

Sure, many development teams have to work and be appreciated for it, some do more work, some do less, some make less effort to make everyone subject to the same rules where the odds aren't against everyone differently. They should get a ton of credit for that.

From all the new bombs, they gave us the worst one in exchange.

If you cant fix stun, dont replace a good weapon with something else that doesnt work properly.
Any other shard would have caused less repulsion to the change.

Hoorah! Gamer Entitlement!
You are the costumer, OOO is the provider. OOO doesn't have to give you any power they don't want to. They don't owe you jack, get off your high horse. The Hunter Promo is a bonus. You pay for your ce, you get a free extra item, and that's the end of it. You agreed to a ToS, meaning that you accepted any changes to the game when you logged in for the first time after the update. OOO doesn't have to oblige you any answers to anything.

DID SOMEONE SAY: ENTITLEMENT?!?!?!?

Any strange troll behavior? No? Ok then, carry on! /rides off into the sunset

(also: +1 Dukeplatypus for nailing it yet again)

Three Rings did already apologize though. They apologized almost two months ago.

I was not even talking to you with that post. I didn't see where you were asking for or even referencing an apology.

Although on that note, I just noticed your insinuation about Three Rings employees ragecrafting. I'm like... actually, I'm just going to pretend I didn't notice that.

OOO is never going to listen to our problems for only just forum forms. The best way, I believe, is somehow contact them (phoning) but so far, I've found no news what so ever to contact them. To get their attention, maybe spam the whole forum page with you and your friends repeating over and over again about this. Maybe that will get their attention. Maybe OOO never actually sees the forum page, only post the new versions of Spiral Knights.

May your fezzez be on your heads, and your Sonic opening doors.
- Cookie-Alex

This change was actually in response to a lot of the people who complained about the potency of the bombs implementation and use. It is insanely overpowered. The fact that the only point of contention you have with it is NOT the mechanism of it being numerically superior despite being a lower grade and that they "hid" doesn't

"1. The new shard bomb lines are severely underpowered. Bombers loses their only practical weapon against greavers.
Reference: RSS is a Complete Joke Now."

-You complain blatantly that they are underpowered now. They were blatantly overpowered before AT 4*. The fact that you can't refute that means you were enjoying your cake and it's now supposedly ruined.

"2. There are tons of feedback in the testing forum telling you how the shard bombs are underpowered and should be tweaked, if you insist on obsoleting the original shard bombs. Yet the new bombs come out exactly the same as in testing server. We *paid to help you test* the new features. How can you so blatantly ignore us?"

-There were some people who were unhappy about the changes and some people who agreed with it. Guess who didn't want it changed? The people OHKO other people in pvp with a lower tier bomb. You know for a fact it was ludicrous.

"3. Stun is a bugged status and you know it. Putting it on Radiant Sun Shard is adding insult to injury. When will you fix stun?
Reference: So... Stun is broken."

-Stun functions in a way that blatantly breaks several monsters and makes it so they are incapable of action. And no, I am not going to tell you which ones. Use a stagger storm and figure it out.

4. The UV ticket exploit.

-This is a legitimate concern but should go into the SUGGESTION forums in terms of reimbursement. All it does in general discussion is cause drama. As you can no doubt tell already and had planned on doing. More flies with honey than vinegar etc.

1. If you click the link I posted and watched the videos, you'd know RSS at 4* isn't very strong at all.

-You're talking about the linear increase of damage of a 4* bomb in comparison to what it'll be as a 5* equivalent. That's not a fair comparison at all.

Any time I've had friends use a RSS they've managed to circle around the trojan and turn it in place with the bomb two shotting a trojan. Which puts it on par with the btb for use of attacks.

With DBB/RSS you cannot shield and must have the skill to lure trojan to just the right spot. Any mistake and you'd get zero or one hit. With blitz you can't move while shooting. Powerful, how? It's not any more powerful than other weapons. RSS is high risk, high reward. If you can't hit with multiple shards, then its damage output is really that of a 3* bomb due to split damage type.

-A RSS can be used the exact same way as a charge attack from a CIV was used to kill trojans. Rotating an enemy in the exact same way as vana was in duo RSS user runs. The trojan bug that was recently patched is the only thing I can imagine getting in the way of your capability to kill one relatively quickly due to increased damage range.

2. And that's the real reason: strikers dashing with their eyes closed, right into a RSS and die. Guess what other weapons do tremendous damage at the right range?

-Brandish lines: Had their aoe damage nerfed. It's still overpowered and will probably be balanced if there is enough heat on the issue in SUGGESTIONS.

-DA: The spread is tighter but it is not nearly as strong as it was before. It's been nerfed several times and I hear constantly about more things that need to be nerfed and probably will.

-Alchemer: Charge clipping thru enemies.

I love my DA, even with the nerfs they have implemented. Maybe I'm tired but I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not..

Why do people keep insisting that RSS shooting out long range shards is fundamentally wrong and should be nerfed? It's the only options for bombers to hit far away targets, and the shards can only travel in a straight line so there is still lots of positioning required. Don't blame its mechanic for your inability to dodge linear shards. Being able to hit offscreen is broken? Then that means the range of all guns should be nerfed, since all of them can hit you offscreen, mirite?

It's been said many times, but I'll repeat it here.
Gunners have options for AoE damage with pulsar and catalyzer lines, so they are not strictly single-target weapons.
Swordsmen have options for long range attacks with brandish and sealed sword lines, and AoE damage with sealed sword and troika lines.
Bombers had options for long range attacks and single-target attacks combined into one bomb - the RSS.
If you want to argue that the RSS should be changed because it's not supposed to do what bombs are supposed to do, then similarly, pulsar and catalyzer lines should also be changed, since they don't do what guns are supposed to do.

A simple solution would be to nerf the damage done per shard and/or decrease the shard's range slightly so it is in conjunction with a gun's maximum range, so that the 5* version of RSS can be introduced without causing too much whining about its crazy damage output. But apparently some people don't like getting killed by RSS, and would rather scream and shout in support of the new mechanic so they can continue to blindly dash in with their Skolver clone setup and their pointy toothpicks.

"There was no other gun with a knockback option. I personally do not like guns but understand the requirement for the implementation of a gun that would increase survivability and enhance a gunners ability to fight at what's that? Oh yes. To fight them at range like a gunner would."

Valiance has knockback too :)

"But apparently some people don't like getting killed by RSS, and would rather scream and shout in support of the new mechanic so they can continue to blindly dash in with their Skolver clone setup and their pointy toothpicks."

As a skolver zombie I have to agree with that, without RSS life is better, I can dash around toothpick and GF cut anything that comes up to me. RSS is a real pain especially if you're in the lag zone, which is asia pacific/Australia. OMG invisible shards hit me, I was not in the hit box! Now I miss RSS so much, my bomber loadout for LD is completly trashed without RSS, I can no longer deal with those toothpicking cookiecutters and fat guardians with insane amount of health. Seriously, are bombers for shivering vana and getting cursed over abusing niTROLLnome only?

"The RSS was a 4* bomb doing 5* damage."
The RSS requires charging too, any 5* brandish, DA or blitz will outclass RSS' damage, no to say RSS requires actual aiming skills and has its own playstyle which apparently is no longer an option. If you used catalyser lines, its charge is quick, 5 orbs stuck on a slag and triggered will instantly kill all surrounding mobs, the damage is truely insane. RSS needs minor tweeks instead of killing, many swords can OHKO, blitz can OCKO why not RSS? The game is unfairly skewed? Not to mention the fact bombers only have resistance against elemental.
I own (well used to) all bombs, RSS is one of my must-have due to its long range and single target DPS. OOO should change the bomb's range and damage instead of fully killing a playstyle:
Make the shards deal less damage as it travels, eventually approaching 0, so bombers can still use RSS to break ore and hit switches (I'm not gonna plant shiver to break ore or use pots).

Make the shards blast out a fairly further distance, not from the origin where the bomb was planted. This can eliminate the bomb dealing an enormous amout of damage.

Keep the elemental+piercing, seriously who uses this bomb to kill fiends? DBB is there for a reason.

And creating a 5* BASED on this change, with higher damage.

...RIP my beloved RSS. No more Touhou fun in SK.