Spiral Knights - The state of the forums is simply ridiculous

The state of the forums is simply ridiculous

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Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:03

Etendue

Haha, all this rage after these updates. So many of these threads pop up, complaining about some aspect or another.

Guys, I have a news flash. Nothing is going to change! Ask anybody who has been around since early may/late april of last year. If the blast-furnace level rage channeled at OOO didn't make them budge on the most controversial update made in this game during that time, then I seriously doubt this anger will amount to anything.

Calm down, get a cooled drink. Feeling better? Good, remember this is a forums for a video game. Once again, *calm down.*

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:12

Paweu

Entitlement levels on this

Entitlement levels on this forum are amazing. I imagine that if any of the OOO staff shown up in a dark alley past midnight they'd be torn apart by some of the forumgoers.

EDIT: I also find amusing how some people quit to just come back and then quit, come back, an never-ending loop; someone should help them somehow, a ban on computer till they are at least 21 years old (just enough on average to learn self-control) perhaps?

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:16

Shoebox

Colin Moriarty can help you out.

Entitlement

There's that word nobody knows the meaning of.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:18

Paweu

You don't know what it means?

You don't know what it means? In simple words:

In a casual sense, the term "entitlement" refers to a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:19

Thorancheladra

Dude..it's a forum. It's the

Dude..it's a forum. It's the online version of Pandora's box.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:19

Asukalan

The only thing they reverted

The only thing they reverted after hearing negative comments was auto emote thingy that changed :) from chat into /smile or similar.

So its not that hard, if they want they can, but they just dont give a damn about things, and most of time ignore players.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:32

Shoebox

In a casual sense, the term

In a casual sense, the term "entitlement" refers to a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit

Nope.

en·ti·tle·ment/enˈtītlmənt/
Noun:
The fact of having a right to something.
The amount to which a person has a right.
Synonyms:
right - title - warrant

You're using your own buzzword wrong.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:35

Paweu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entitlement

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 05:07

Ranzoh

I know you're not mad, it's

I know you're not mad, it's cause you had your chance to do exploits last year. You also told me you were surprised I spent so many hours on Spiral Knights after you viewed my Steam stats. I'm trying to reduce the number of hours I play, so who wouldn't rage? Now everything's all screwed up. It's not like I want people to think I'm leaving, but realistically speaking, the average person will move on, or come back much later and probably more likely less frequent. They probably just want to keep their gear and such. But here comes this update crapping up people's relationships and views of others now. The only thing that we should be legitimately mad about is the millions of crs of profits these guys will be making. The language used in the update were as confusing as legalistic language cause it never specified if there was a cap on uv tickets for me personally. I asked people in zone chat if they were but no one gave an answer or the right one at that. That means I wanted to make the information public.

I personally am not asking for entitlements, I was deliberately kept out of the loop man. Look at the freaking first page of the admin topic, people were confused, some others confusing people as to what unlimited tickets were. If you say it won't affect the market, why don't you let those that didn't exploit the ticket bomb update to get their ce's worth? We're not even asking the rich people to distribute their tickets. What the hell do you mean entitlement? You think leaving us out of the loop isn't called being entitled? I'm sure you're entitled to rip people off and make people buy from you instead of getting it on their own. You did no work and this offers no help. Why make us work more for less if we simply just knew to craft bombs? And please don't say the info from the update is not more vague than the haze bomb one, cause that deserves to be laughed at. But haze bomb or not, there was a chance to profit early on with new Steam unsuspecting Steam players flooding in.

Wiki...lol calling entitled people narcissistic.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:42

Shoebox

Linking a wikipedia article

Linking a wikipedia article doesn't make you any less wrong in your use of the word.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:49

#10

Good-Spirit

Agree with Paweu. It's not

Agree with Paweu. It's not just these forums, it's a growing theme with the younger generation... or just an American trait :) Thinking and going about your day as if you deserve better, even though you never did anything to deserve the blessed life that you already have.
Outside of forums, instead of rage people just sue.

America!

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:50

#11

Paweu

My use is wrong because it

My use is wrong because it differs from your interpretation? That isn't how stuff works I'm afraid. People saying "I've paid and I demand" are a perfect example of entitlement.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:58

#12

Etendue

Let's replace the word

Let's replace the word entitlement with "Snipe-like," without any offence to Snipes. The definition of the word will be:
In a casual sense, the term "snipe-like" refers to a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit.

Semantics isn't really a great thing to argue about.

Edit: Lol, Paweu. I hope you don't mean my *quitting.* I'm simply not really playing anymore, no more and no less, not until academic concerns recede.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:59

#13

Paweu

"In a casual sense, the term

"In a casual sense, the term "entitlement" refers to a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit"

"a notion or belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit"

"belief that one (or oneself) is deserving of some particular reward or benefit"

"belief"

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 04:59

#14

Shoebox

Your definition of the word

Your definition of the word is wrong.

What don't you understand about that?

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 05:07

#15

Paweu

I've even linked you the

I've even linked you the source, how can you say it's wrong? Maybe if we were talking about programming languages that are in the state of no possible change, then sure, but as it's human language we talk about; words gain new meanings/get redefined over time.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 05:15

#16

Shoebox

Citing wikipedia and claiming

Citing wikipedia and claiming it as a valid source

Not even in bizarro world would you get away with that.

You're wrong, get over it.
Go play somewhere else.

PS: The English language doesn't change just because you say it does.
Otherwise I could just call you a wealth of unsavoury things and say they all mean 'really nice person'.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 05:26

#17

Poetry

His definition of the word is

His definition of the word is fine. Words change, they evolve. Refusing to look past the text book definition of a word is narrow-minded in the same way that ignoring and disregarding the validity of regional dialects is narrow-minded. The world has changed a lot in the last ten years. Book sources are no longer as valid as they once were given the pace of change and communication in today's world.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 05:24

#18

Paweu

I'm not wrong. Thank you for

I'm not wrong.
Thank you for your undivided attention.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 05:29

#19

Shoebox

Refusing to look past the

Refusing to look past the text book definition of a word is narrow-minded

For a guy named Poetry you sure are making yourself look really, really dumb.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 05:40

#20

Poetry

"I was reading the

"I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything."
--Steven Wright

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 05:56

#21

President-Trump

wow

a thread complaining about forum atmosphere envolved into some ppl arguing over the meaning of a word.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 06:00

#22

Softhead

That's SK for you.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 06:12

#23

Orangeo

This thread is simply

This thread is simply ridiculous.

Talk about judgemental. Etendue, I have a news flash. Nothings going to change! Ask anybody who has been around since early may/late april of last year. Calm down, get a cooled drink. Feeling better? Good, remember this is a forums for a video game. Once again, *calm down.*

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 06:16

#24

Infidelslayer

....

A bit of details to add..

Its a kid's game.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 06:21

#25

Orangeo

According to every GM in this

According to every GM in this game, you have to be 13 and up to play.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 06:27

#26

Infidelslayer

....

A 13 years old individual is not classified as a kid?

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 08:22

#27

Doctorspacebar

I acknowledge there's a dangerous level of rage.

I acknowledge there's a dangerous level of rage. I even acknowledge that some people are doing this out of unsavory motives like greed, attention-seeking, or the entitlement mentality.

But the fact is, we are right. This update was a punch in the face to anyone who owned and used the Radiant Sun Shards. If someone punched you in the face out of nowhere, most people would tell them "that's not right". What's worse, we did not deserve this particular punch in the face. The Radiant Sun Shards were not overpowered.

Was the RSS really so overpowered when Blitz and an Alchemer could do its jobs better? It was sort of a middle ground between these: Single-target power of the Blitz, and the sniping ability of an Alchemer, with the spread damage of a bomb. Blitz had more damage, and Alchemers, while they had a shorter range (the range of the RSS could have been toned down and we wouldn't have been so up in arms), could fire at distant targets much faster. As for spreading damage, Nitronome and DBB (and now Irontech, since it's better now; that is a good thing) could spread damage to a much wider area. RSS had a little of all of these, making it a sort of "Swiss Army Knife" for bombers. But every one of those other weapons could do the respective job better.

As for Lockdown... Skolver Zombies had trouble dodging? Big deal. Everyone else has to dodge their lightning-speed Flourish attacks, which, in my opinion, is a far more difficult task when done by a Skolver Pro (differs from a Skolver Zombie in that he's really, really good). Less time to react, too. Bombs should deter an enemy's direct approach, and force them to bring out guns; that's just what bombs do. The new Shards don't do that. The new Shards disappear on Capture Points where Nitronome, DBB, and even Dark Retribution don't. The new Shards disappear.

The limitations are downright cruel. Causing all the shards to be ineffective if more than three hit a target? Rewarding stupidity! If an enemy walks over four shards, it's their own dang fault! Disappearing shards are the dumbest thing I've ever seen out of this game- dumber than the Cautery Sword. You heard me. Now, the limitations, combined with the general crappiness of the bomb against multiple targets ("lalalalala, I'll just walk/run/fly/ooze past the shards and kill the dummy bomber") makes a generally useless weapon that doesn't hold a candle to the Blast bombs.

Granted, the value of a 3 UV ticket is very high- 200-thousand-odd crowns! But what does that matter to someone who was never going to bother with UVs in the first place? It would be better to give us the 200-thousand-odd crowns directly, so we could use it to make new gear instead.

And that still doesn't excuse nerfing a weapon that, previously, was the only thing able to keep an entire weapon type caught up against certain enemies and other players. A range decrease? Certainly! Weakened damage, with a 5* SSS that had the same or slightly less damage? We'll take it! But turning it into a completely different (and completely useless) bomb, and ignoring (i don't mean not implementing, I mean not even acknowledging) widely-accepted ideas to make it useful, that won't make it as powerful as Blitz or DA? I don't buy it.

EDIT: I'd like to clarify. The "entitlement mentality", when I use it, is basically the mentality of thinking one deserves everything. That is contrary to my faith and completely self-centered.

I do not feel entitled to 100000 Crystal Energy because the sun shards were nerfed. Nor do many of the dang thing's proponents. The whole 200-thousand-odd crowns thing was about the UV tickets; this is their value, and I was simply asking why we couldn't have the direct value in crowns (or CE, now that I think about it, would lower the stuff's price) instead of the ticket. Nonetheless, the tickets were very nice, and I'm sorry I didn't express my gratitude for this small thing. Might have been the fact that you gave ragecrafters advance warning; that is quite annoying, but I don't hold that against any of the ragecrafters.

I don't even know if we deserve the old Sunshards back, or a usable version of the new Sunshards. I am simply pointing out that it would be a much better decision for the game as a whole to balance the new Shards or bring back the old ones (albeit with a slight range nerf).

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 08:25

#28

Softhead

@Doc

The other shards 'cept RSS are okay.

TBH, I didn't like the original shards, and the new variant needs a lot of tweaking....

The others, eh...

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 10:11

#29

Xylka-Mkii

TL;DR all of this Forums are

TL;DR all of this

Forums are forums. Its not going to change anytime soon. Happens every update.

Get with the system.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 10:23

#30

Derpules

@Shoebox

I suggest you talk to an actual linguist. Ask them what they think of dictionaries, and the "right" and "wrong" meanings of words.

It's easy to be a language pedant; difficult to be an expert on language. The experts, you will find, have a different way of viewing the matter.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 10:37

#31

Tersakaff

DELICIOUS RAGE
I was seriously eating popcorn and reading the threads after the update.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 10:43

#32

Shoebox

None of you will realise I'm being ironic because you're idiots.

Hey I'm just going to start using words in the opposite sense they're meant to and you're supposed to decode that because I don't need to explain myself and you're just close-minded and don't understand that language changes. I'm right and you're wrong because it's my language and I can mean what I want when I say what I want.

Stop being so entitled to meanings of words, they're just words if you don't like them don't use them. Communication is a privilege not a right. If you don't agree you might as well be committing treason, you narcissistic baby. I mean, people five hundred years ago aren't even relevant now, they're all dead. They haven't done anything for us lately so why should care what the meanings of the words they used back then are? You need to check your entitlement levels.

It's so easy to just sit there and read a book and think that just because something is defined as something that that is what it means, but I mean, you're not an English Major that has invented hundreds of words and wrote their own dictionary, so what do you know about language? Do you even speak English on a regular basis? You're so entitled to your words but I bet you don't even use half of them.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 11:14

#33

Aureate

Processing Thoughts of You Always

@Etendue: Evidently, people have lost track of what you said. :B

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 11:29

#34

Infidelslayer

...

@Doctorspacebar

No worries...this update is something that justified mass raging.

Now Lockdown will be nothing more than a mere playground for people prancing around with their l33t toothpicks and guns.In PvE,bombers have been reduced to swordsmen or gunner's side-kick.

Also this forum overall has gotten from "tolerably weird" to "I will not even bother wasting time on reasoning" state (see Suggestion sub forum).

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 11:51

#35

Orangeo

"A 13 years old individual is

"A 13 years old individual is not classified as a kid?"
No, but once you're at that point you can't make the game survive off of only children. If it was a kids game, 13 would probabaly be the average age, not the minimum. What do you consider a kid anyhow? I'm 16, I could be considered a kid.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 11:55

#36

The-Rawrcake

WHAT? You are crazy to think

WHAT? You are crazy to think that these forums are ridiculous. It is a good thing that none of your young eyes have seen the Diablo 3 forums.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 12:09

#37

Orangeo

Oh, quake fourms. Stupid neo

Oh, quake fourms. Stupid neo nazis.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 12:29

#38

Wodanct

I think doing 289x15 with a

I think doing 289x15 with a blitz charge with max damage at Vanaduke is overpowered. Lets nerf Blitz needle so it only does 150s with max dmg on Vanaduke. Sounds good to me. Now everyone that uses a blitz will feel like the people that used RSS do.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 12:36

#39

Dorael

@Doctorspacebar

I honestly think you're asking the wrong question when trying to compare the old bomb to a Blitz or Alchemer. I think you're asking the wrong question if you're also asking if the old bomb was overpowered at all. I think the question isn't how the bomb compared to other swords or other guns but how it compared to other bombs.

I went a bit more into it here if you actually care.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 12:39

#40

Tersakaff

"Now Lockdown will be nothing more than a mere playground for people prancing around with their l33t toothpicks and guns"

Soon enough, they shall nerf those too.

...

I hope??

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 13:06

#41

Doctorspacebar

Everything must be the same? Sheesh...

I compared it to guns because those guns fill the same roles the RSS did (single-target damage and ranged attack, respectively), but usually better. And I did compare it to Nitronome and DBB as far as spreading damage goes. Balance is a legitimate factor, and if Three Rings wasn't worried about it, I'd be seriously worried.

So the RSS isn't like other bombs. So what? Why must everything be exactly the same, even if being the same makes it suck?

Dorael, I agree that Three Rings only cared (or seemed to care) about how it compared to other bombs. I simply think they were wrong in changing the existing Shard Bombs. The new SSS is bad. It is weak. It is junk. It is not any good as a Fiend killer, which is what Nick claims he meant it to be. Buggy buggy Stun instead of Fire (which would be logical, as they are sun shards), too little range to hit Devilites from any reasonable distance (by the way, they have a ranged attack, puny-range Shards ain't gonna hit 'em), too slow explosions to interrupt Greavers (which, by the way, are the bane of bombers everywhere), not nearly the damage needed to be viable against Trojans (and the fact that it is the ONLY weapon- the ONLY weapon- to make itself do no damage if lined up exceptionally well), and, of course, Abra-cadabra, disappearing shards!

We even came up with ways to make the new Shardbombs useful against Fiends, such as 1 damage while the shards fly (to make a real Greaver-killer for a Bomber, while not making them overpowered) and causing the shards to retain their velocity. Instead, they keep the bombs as they were on the Test Server, despite their agreed-upon uselessness.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 13:09

#42

Diamondshreddie

he meant "the amount of assumed entitlement by forum ragers is absurd." done. XD grab a granola bar or something.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 14:01

#43

Dorael

@Doctorspacebar

Okay, as long as you're aware of why they did the change it's fine. If you want to talk about balance, I think the way the Blitz works right now is completely stupid. It's just a different topic is all.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 17:34

#44

Urgrandpa

@Orangeo I'm pretty sure the

@Orangeo I'm pretty sure the average age is 13, 14 at best, actually. Consider there are a lot of 10 Yo kids playing even though they have no right to. At least in my experience, I kept on meeting people around that age, and really rarely someone would be 18+.

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:09

#45

Etendue

My favorite Love Puppy

@Aureate
It's alright. Really, the dysfunctional nature of this thread reflects my original concerns about the forums nicely.

Edit: Some of you have posted reasonable, cool-headed posts. Hooray, you're the creme de la creme of the Spiral Knights forums. I applaud you all :D

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:05

#46

Thunderbog

hush draggies. i creep in.

Etendue, can we hug? ;n;

Fri, 08/10/2012 - 19:27

#47

President-Trump

xD COD left out

CoD forums, aka children online daycare, endless flaming and cursing...

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 01:16

#48

Virtuewis

@ Shoebox

@ Shoebox:

Did someone hijack your computer or your account to post in this thread or something? I usually read your posts with enthusiasm because I find them to be a great source of information about this game, but your logic here... is terrible lol. Maybe just drunk?

If you are serious, you should stick to just posting wonderfully informative material on the game and not so much on language. You managed to confuse everyone with your misunderstanding of "language," "entitlement," "poetry", AND "irony". No offense, Mr. Shoebox. I think you're a rad dude. Maybe you were just in a weird mood. :P

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 01:46

#49

Infidelslayer

@Orangeo

My definiton of a "kid" is mostly based on how he/she behave.

Although the way I used the age factor had turned my post stereotypical,which I always try to avoid.

......
@Tersakaff

FSC will freeze over and Amon-Sol will melt.

But a nerf for swords(flourishes) and guns (Polaris)...

Forget hoping, one can't even hallucinate!

P.S:- When will we get new avatars?

Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:12

#50

Shoebox

I didn't think this community could get worse but it happened.

your misunderstanding

Go ahead, perpetuate the little circlejerk you spastic baboons started. I'm beyond the stage of caring about or even reading anybody else's posts on this forum. If you guys want to go around making everyone's intellect collectively disintegrate because of your display of narcissistic, self-righteous stupidity, go ahead.
This whole thread is a pretty damn good example of why the GMs need to start handing out more forum bans.

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