Is so meta, it hurts.
The state of the forums is simply ridiculous
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:27
#52
This thread
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:31
#53
shh.... someone said
shh.... someone said circlejerk. This is getting good.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:54
#54
Hahahahaha, agreed xPCan we
Hahahahaha, agreed xP
Can we all just stop arguing about these things?
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 03:46
#55
hush draggies. i creep in.
Dancing Jenny, let's go get some popcorns.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 04:15
#56
narcissim?
Usually when someone is beyond the point of reading other people's posts, or considering their opinions, it is out of narcissism or self-righteousness. Telling people that they are "making everyone's intellect collectively disintegrate" and insulting them with name-calling like "spastic baboons" is also usually the work of a self-righteous narcissist. It's either the work of of a self-righteous narcissist, or the work of a person who realizes they were wrong and now, out of ideas, has resorted to just being rude.
I'm sorry that you are so offended that you would want people banned (I am not narcissistic enough to assume you are referring to me, although you are quoting from many of my posts). Maybe you have not understood the point of my criticism. Healthy discussions can have criticism in them. I wouldn't criticize you about gear choice or in game strategy, because I respect what you have to say. I would welcome your criticism if I posted something that was wrong... ESPECIALLY if I was insulting someone else in the process. I chose to criticize your argument (which was malicious and out of line) because I was trying to help you. I'm sorry if you were that offended by it. I'll be sure not to bother you again, although since you won't bother reading other people's posts anymore, I guess I won't have to worry about it too much. :P
- peace
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 04:25
#57
IMHO
I guess this kind of rage after the change was to be expected. And honestly, that's probably why OOO is so quiet on the forums. Too many people on the forums thinking they have the right to be angry because other people are angry.
EDIT: I love that fact that there was an argument between a forum-goer and a shoebox.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 04:26
#58
ANGST
THERE BE ANGST.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 05:03
#59
I'm helping you realise you're a moron.
Usually when someone is beyond the point of reading other people's posts, or considering their opinions, it is out of narcissism or self-righteousness.
Maybe it's because I'm tired of seeing idiots fail at psychoanalysing me because they just stroll past a thread and decide to jump on the bandwagon?
You should have done everyone a favour and jumped off a cliff instead.
quoting from many of my posts
Quoted two words from one post. Unless you've all somehow formed into one being and picked a really stupid name, I fail to see how that counts as many posts.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 05:21
#60
Ok
You think I'm such a jerk and a moron, but I challenge you to print out this thread and take it to a real psychoanalyst and see what they say. I do not understand why you are raging so hard at me, but it's cool man... whatever. If you are calling for bans, all I can say is be careful what you wish for. Maybe you just think it's really cool to be so negative, and to pick on people when you're in a bad mood or when you have been called out on something. For me, I'm just participating in the discussion. I don't care who you think you are or how long you have been here. If you think you own the forum, you're dreaming. I already tried to make my peace with you. Go away, please.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 05:50
#61
You don't even know what you're talking about, do you?
raging so hard at me
I thought you said you read my posts? This isn't even anywhere close to raging.
been called out on something
I wasn't called out on anything. A bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about decided to start telling me I didn't know anything about language because the definitions of words apparently don't actually mean anything and semantics are the devil.
I got the last word ladi-dadi-dah
No you didn't. And you never will.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 07:57
#62
The OP of this thread must be
The OP of this thread must be pulling his hair out seeing you fight! Boo!
Cute kittehs
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 08:52
#63
At this point, I don't think
At this point, I don't think you should be paying attention to Shoebox.
He's being highly immature/trolling. Not that they're mutually exclusive :)
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:47
#64
This is Doctorspacebar. All systems go.
Balance bombs wisely (avoid Cautery Sword)! Don't make the damage too low- your players can't take it! Try buffing (remove hit limit + speed increase)! Nick, get this crap off the server! What's takin' you so long, Nick?! I'm not too crazy about those Greavers. I saw my life flash before my eyes! Nooooooo!
(This has been a modified Peppy Hare Quote Montage for a Better Shard Bomb. We will get the rebalance we deserve. Until then... never give up. Trust your instincts.)
EDIT: And Shoebox, just drop the whole thing about the word "entitlement". It's not the issue at hand. Sorry if this seems like a bad time- I just felt like doing a Peppy quote montage.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 09:54
#65
Doc,
People are also at eachother's throats.
Rawrcake and Roarr are examples.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 10:20
#66
@Shoebox (and many others)
Let me give you a very huge piece of advice that you should take with you for the rest of your life.
Don't insult people directly. No matter how much you feel they deserve it, never, ever, do it. Here is why.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 13:38
#67
Oops
I fed a troll. My bad. I wasn't trying to fight. I was trying to (in a semi white knight-ish way, I'll admit that) fix a problem in that dude's logic and attitude, but I was unaware that it couldn't be done with reason. I do agree with the rational among you that slinging insults only makes a person look bad, plus it makes any claim look even worse. Shoebox is exhibit A in this thread. I'd like to send him a personal message, so that we could resolve it privately. I don't appreciate being insulted by strangers. I also don't like making enemies. Trolls are boring enemies anyway, because there is nothing to learn from them. I'd rather we find some common ground. I believe it's possible, regardless of how unreasonable he has been so far.
If there's a way to PM, I invite you Shoebox, to PM me. That is, if you do care about anything other than getting the last word. If not, then troll on. Next time we cross paths, I hope you are in a better mood. If I see you bullying other forum posters, I will respond like I did here. So if you don't like me, I suggest that you change your trollish ways. Good day.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 16:47
#68
I'm not a big fan of Shoebox's antics this time around, myself- and he's usually hilarious- but Virt, concerning your last post, that was the most unreasonably corny and prideful thing I've seen in months.
The forums are, indeed, ridiculous.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 16:51
#69
Draycos
What is unreasonably corny about my post? Please expain how my post was unreasonably prideful.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 17:04
#70
If you don't see it already, perhaps too busy with the horrible thrills of e-drama, I'm not sure what to say in terms of short/concise. Maybe in about six days I can make bigger posts, but at the moment I'm stuck with an iPhone.
Just take a breather and try to think about it from an unbiased view.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 17:33
#71
Ok
I'll take your comment into consideration, but you haven't really given me any reason to. You can make any statement you want, but if you want it to be taken seriously, it ought to be supported by something. I want to be taught. Teach me. I ask to be taught and all you can give me is something like: take my word for it. That isn't good enough. I haven't done that here, why should you be able to. I have given logical, unbiased, unemotional reasons to back up what I'm saying. I'm sorry if you think it is unreasonably corny to call someone out for being rude and insulting. I'm just asking you to show me what you mean.
Am I caught up in e-drama? No, I am trying to resolve a conflict. Yes that guy was trolling and I didn't realize it. I already apologized for that. When I see someone who thinks they are ENTITLED to insult and bully other people, it makes me want to teach them a more constructive way to have a discussion. Again, sorry for being cheesy. I guess if the status quo is for everyone to act like a jerk to each other, then yes, I am in the wrong. I have read these forums for a long time. I only post when I think I have something to contribute. There used to be way more stuff to read about before all this e-drama. I would like the forums to get back to that, so I put my 2 cents in. Take it or leave it. If you want to criticize me, that's fine, but I'd appreciate if some thought was put into it.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 17:48
#72
Well, THAT certainly got
Well, THAT certainly got blown out of proportion. Some parts of that newest post are just as unreasonable and dramatic.
I told you, I can't exactly explain more than 'look at that last post' until about a week from now, maybe less. Clearly it didn't make any sense the first mention..
I agree and disagree with how you treated the situation, in a nutshell. And it probably is the drama, otherwise you wouldn't have argued so much, or you just like the whole white-knighting nonsense. Asking a troll not to troll is like asking a rock to stop being a rock. It doesn't work, and when people see you talking to rocks they probably start walking the other way.
I'll explain more a few days from now. Or maybe not, if this ends up not going anywhere. I don't know.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 17:55
#73
Thank you for your concern,
Thank you for your concern, Virtuewis. I appreciate it.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 17:57
#74
Draycos
Your rock analogy was fun! That makes sense. My problem with it is that although a rock is a rock and a shoebox is a shoebox, A "troll" is more than just a troll. There is a person at the keyboard typing responses. There is a living, human being that is capable of learning at the helm. The troll is not a bot. It is not a rock or a shoebox alone.
I appreciate your thoughtful response, especially because it wasn't full of insults. I do not mind white-knighting in this case because I know that just because people think it's cheesy, that doesn't make it any less important to teach some REAL people some manners. Even if a rock can't learn, if there's a person hiding INSIDE that rock, then there's a chance. I understand that you think I'm just being dramatic. But then again: isn't it dramatic to complain/fight/insult people about video games in the first place? The dialogue got dramatic the minute the rock came out swinging lol.
Thanks again, Draycos. I know you're trying to help me. I appreciate your concern.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 18:01
#75
@ Paweu
No problem, sir! My ridiculous work here is done!
/tries to ride off into the sunset on a white horse, but the horse's leg was asleep and it tripped, killing some of the dramatic effect. :P
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 18:06
#76
You don't get it, you can't change people over the Internet. Maybe once in a blue moon. That's it.
Trolls, if they are trolls, do not care for 'help'. In fact it'd probably be even more amusing to them. What will one person telling them they're wrong mean when they're never going to see them outside the interwebs? Anonymity is a good thing and a bad thing.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 18:21
#77
Draycos
I know it seems hopeless, Draycos. I do get it, actually. You think it is hopeless. I don't. That is just a difference of opinion, since there is no way to empirically prove if it is or isn't hopeless beyond a blue moon.
I agree that the VAST majority of trolls will never admit to learning anything. That doesn't mean they don't learn, it just means they won't admit it. My problem in this case was that I didn't know that guy was a troll. I thought he actually believed what he was saying. I still do, actually. I have seen his posts in the past and elsewhere on the forums and they are quite intelligent and reasonable, so I didn't think he had the kind of self-esteem issues it takes to troll around on a ridiculous thread such as this. ^^ That is what I apologized for so many times already.
Deterrence is a strange thing. There is no way to prove that it works, so it's kind of a fallacy in the first place. Maybe I didn't deter the kind of troll that knows he is wrong but is just having some fun or blowing off steam. But maybe there was a lurking (future) troll reading this thread. It is possible that the white-knightery has prevented a misinformed person from becoming an accidental troll in the future! :D
/tries to ride off again, but something else anti-climactic happens >.>
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 20:17
#78
Anonymity...
I sometimes wish
Anonymity...
I sometimes wish we didn't have that. So people could take responsibility for their actions on the internet. I think the amount of negative actions would be reduced dramatically.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 20:25
#79
I like chaos on internet
I like chaos on internet forums. I prefer the Spiral Knights forums to stay in the raging mess caused by the most recent update. :p
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:10
#80
It's so great that you can
It's so great that you can all agree on a strawman, because disproving my argument is so tremendously difficult.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:17
#81
@Shoebox
So does someone using a word wrong or even thinking a word means something it doesn't justify going off on them? Can't you at least try to correct and educate them before calling them an idiot and moron? I thought the entire point of the OP was that people are too quick to rage at others and ought to play nice. I honestly fail to see how such negativity can do any good or be healthy for anyone.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:21
#82
I never said you were incorrect... I just feel as if the usual comical-insulting feel your posts have isn't present this time, only the bitterness.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:24
#83
I said the Lord's name in vain. But I feel he is needed in here.
Can't you at least try to correct and educate them before calling them an idiot and moron?
Did you even read the thread?
Jesus Christ.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:25
#84
I think most of us lost track.
Just sayin'...
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:34
#85
@Shoebox
Yes, but you were already full of bitterness and any real desire to help from the get go. You started simply by telling them they were wrong without explaining why. You then linked the definition again without explaining why. From there, it was mostly just insults and people repeating themselves. I'm sorry, but if they don't get it the first time they're not going to get it purely by repetition. It would have helped if someone had explained the right way to use the word and compared to how they were using it, as an example. There are a few ways to go about it but yours wasn't really at all constructive.
I'm not meaning to pick on you but if I'm seeing one side being dumb and another side being mean, I think the side that is being mean is the worst of the two. To put it another way, when someone is wrong it can be due a number of circumstances (stubbornness, ignorance, lack of education, whatever). When someone is being mean, it is much more likely to be from choice. Someone can't always choose to be right/not wrong, though we can educate them. Someone always chooses to be mean though.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:35
#86
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:33
#87
It's like idiot pinball in
It's like idiot pinball in here, can't I just catch a break for once on these damn forums?
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:37
#88
There is a difference
There is a difference between a strawman and what we're agreeing on here, Shoebox. First, if I were to say that your definition of "entitlement" is wrong because you are acting like a child, THAT would be a strawman.
I'll give you that your definition of entitlement is fine. Are you happy? Yes, you understand what entitlement means. Do you feel better now?
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:38
#89
Who's an idiot?
Shoebox, I have to agree with Dorael; you've been kind of uptight. Insult after insult, and half of it was about the word 'entitlement'.
Please. Just get off the forums for a while, take a few deep breaths, take a nice walk, and laugh at this take on the cliche video game ice level. You'll feel better.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:41
#90
One more thing
Shoebox. I want you to know that I TOTALLY RESPECT YOU! I have made that clear several times when I was white-knighting your troll. We all know you are smart and funny. You do not need a break. You're good to go, man lol. That's why my first post I was like: is he drunk or in a weird mood?
We respect you. You don't have to earn it by being mean. We like you as you are. Keep it chill and informative, maybe even a little snarky. That is all.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:46
#91
get off the site,
Maybe I
get off the site,
Maybe I should, I have better things to do with my time than be berated by children for being right.
If everyone thinks it's acceptable to be a willfully ignorant moron, then enjoy your terrible forum community.
You all asked for it.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 21:50
#92
hush draggies. i creep in.
I finished my popcorns, where's my strawberry icecream?
Forget it, I'm going to order some taiwanese fishballs w/ meat inside and sausages.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:01
#93
Try a serving of crow.
I meant "for a while". Not "forever". If you didn't see my edit (for clarification), I'm sorry.
Now, Shoebox, is it really worth getting so angry over a little argument about the meaning of the word 'entitlement'? Will it matter in five years if your definition was the correct one?
As far as the definition goes, the dictionary definition of entitlement is "to have the right to something". For example, by the laws of the United States, the country I live in, I am entitled to freedom of speech. (Aside from shouting "FIRE!" or "Hey, that guy dies at the end!" in a crowded theater... okay, maybe the second one is legal, but it's a real jerk move.)
However, a term used often in recent years (see also: politics) is "the entitlement mentality", or an ingrained belief that one is entitled to something- oftentimes the thing in question being free stuff. This phenomenon is often also called "entitlement" for short (because mentality takes a little bit longer to type/say). It's slang. Slang ain't a bad thing. (Most of the time.)
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:02
#94
I can't take any of this
I can't take any of this seriously.
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:06
#95
I got a fever...
I got a fever... and the only prescription is MORE SPACEBAR!
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:07
#96
There's a line between snarky and rude.
There's also a line to get ice cream at the ice cream shop. I think I'm going to get some strawberry ice cream~
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:08
#97
(Phoenix Spacebar, Ace Bomber)
OBJECTION!
They're out of strawberry. GET ORANGE SHERBET!
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:13
#98
When it's my turn to cross the line:
Gimme a bottle of anything /looks both ways...
And a glazed donut... /looks both ways again...
TO GO (go go go go /fadeout)
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:18
#99
WHAAAAT?!?!
IMPOSSIBLE!
Sat, 08/11/2012 - 22:53
#100
Lol
Take a look, Shoebox's "argument" hinges around grammar and ad hominem attacks. 失败！
He then feeds off your responses, and attempts to further degrade you through insults. 失败！
After others speak calmly to him about their differences (particularly pertaining the colloquial usage of *one* word), he rages. 失败！
Shoebox still doesn't realize that all he's doing is defaming himself and the people associated with him. 失败中的失败！
If you're going to rage and disrespect other people, you might as well find a place where they tolerate that. I don't think that's on these forums.
Ever done debate? Sure, you can attack somebody's word choice, but if their ideas are still upright at the end of the day, you've failed.
What I'm saying is that semantics is secondary to the ideas themselves. Attack ideas, not the words used to express them.
Aye?