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Stop useful threads on the forum. (not suggestions)

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Fri, 10/26/2012 - 13:11
Thenewteddy's picture
Thenewteddy

You may read the title and be like "Wha?" but no, I want to stop those long and very useful threads on the forum.

Why?

They are hard to find. They are not pinned/stickied in most cases and just vanish.

We DO have a wiki, where this kind of information could be extremely useful, easy to find, and permanent, as well as easily updatable.

I thus propose that the admins/mods begin to "encourage" posters to post their useful ideas on the wiki.

CLICKY FOR EXAMPLE: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/67254#comment-553761

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 13:18
#1
Kazujaxyz's picture
Kazujaxyz
Da heck?

Is a wiki actually supposed to contain game suggestions? I don't think so. However, wikis also are flexible, so whatever.

What's worse however is that due to the very nature of a wiki, the suggestions could be edited and created by anyone, making the problem only worse by making useful threads griefable. Also, steam users(which I and many others are) can't access the wiki right now.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 13:18
#2
Thenewteddy's picture
Thenewteddy
The wiki already has many

The wiki already has many guides, and a check of 100 pages at wikipedia (the history) will show that in 99 cases, editors are helpful not hurtful.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 13:25
#3
Aumir's picture
Aumir
How about....

...a sticky topic with all suggestions? But then GMs would have more work, would they approve?

Maybe for easy recognition GMs could see an icon that shows them if they have or not already put the topic in the "pinned" topic, so to make their job easier.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 13:26
#4
El-Odio's picture
El-Odio
But but but

But that would mean that they care about what is written in Graveyard #2! D:

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 13:32
#5
Kazujaxyz's picture
Kazujaxyz
There's a difference between suggesters and editors

You should know that the guys in the suggestion-forums are... different than your average wiki-editor. Many of them are outright impulsive and annoying kiddies that want their pet-idea implented into the game(seriously, why does every second newbie here want pets into the game???).

The problem of the suggestions-forum be that Sturgeon's law is in full effect here, because while only interested and experienced people consider adding stuff into wikis, everyone thinks their ideas are super-awesome and important, resulting in no previous filtering whatsoever.

So please, I really beg you to not consider advertising the wiki-use for suggestions... these 90% will pollute and in the worst case ruin one of the most important database for guides and data for the game. It's better to have all these people hang out in this forum than posting their ideas in the wiki and deleting better ideas from the wiki due to sheer rage that the own ideas aren't accepted by the public.
Because handling a wiki requires responsibility. Most here don't have patience and are irresponsible with their childish impulsivity, probably resulting in major wiki-grief.

So yeah, I'm strongly against this. Not because I don't want good ideas to be posted on the wikis... because it would keep a very important database for the game from being wrecked by suggestion-kiddies not getting their way through.

I'd rather request the mods to just goddamn sticky Lug's thread, because he's the one keeping things in order here. If the mods aren't willing to do the dirty work themself, they should at the very least promote and help those that do.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 13:46
#6
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

The Blandaxt Bunch would ruin it.

All the people who make garbage suggestions. Blandaxt Bunch.

Maybe some of the forum admins could start hatting players they know can handle having power in a section to form a board of veterans who can vote on doing what admins should be doing, like stickying threads and getting rid of spam. Members of this board would be selected for their contributions (to other threads or ones they made themselves), behavior (not breaking rules, derp), and a poll only open to applicants (who have their own contributions and behavior viewable by the public). Every section would have its own team and individuals can only be part of up to two boards at a time.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 13:53
#7
Skyguarder's picture
Skyguarder
We can't stop them

We might find a suggestion that you would really love.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 14:17
#8
Thenewteddy's picture
Thenewteddy
Why on earth would someone

Why on earth would someone put the suggestions forum on the wiki? I'm talking about things like this:

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/56768
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/39410
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/64614
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/56650

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 14:30
#9
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

That section already has this.

Fri, 10/26/2012 - 14:38
#10
Kazujaxyz's picture
Kazujaxyz
Blandaxt bunch, brilliant name for the suggestion-kiddies

Mind if I'd use it or a variation from it next time? Seems alot more elegant than calling them "stupid kids that pollute the suggestion-forums with sucky/already suggested suggestions". Maybe... "Bland Bunch"?

Anyways, hatting seems like a neat idea, however, I can well imagine it being useless against spam, and asking for stickys in the suggestion forum will probably be a rather rare event. I think we'd only need 3 stickys in total: One for the really good suggestions(Lug's thread), one guide for how to post a good suggestion(which may already reduce the spam quite a bit, providing some people actually are trying to make the game better instead of just having their idea into the game, and a list of stuff being suggested countless times(right now such a list is incredibly useless, but as soon as we could get one as sticky... this would be really frikkin' awesome). You can't stop the inflow of crappy ideas altogether anyway, so why not instead focus on giving new, but honest and reasonable suggesters some help to plan their suggestions out better? Better planned out suggestions mean happier reviewers, which equals better reviews, which equals a happy suggester, which equals them trying to become better at suggesting in case it didn't work this time which equals in them instead of becoming bitter about them bein incompetent and devolving into flaming noobs. All this contributes to a change of the incredibly cold and cynical tone of the suggestions-forum, and overall better suggestions.
Hatting does have its limits, for example it will never be a useful way to delete and point out spam to be removed. Banning also won't be an option, because people can just alternate over and over and over and over and over... hrngh! It results in nothing but more annoyance and possible nicknames for other players wasted. However, if we make the whole getting-started thing as soft as silk, with tutorials and lists helping them suggesting a great suggestion, we can choke most of the spammers at their origin: Being frustrated suggesters that think that the opinions of others are unfair, due to their incompetence to make proper suggestions.

I think one of the most major problems about the suggestion-forum... every suggestion-forum in existence ever is that there always lacks that little extra-help for suggestion-newbs to get started with suggesting stuff. If we ever get the power to tell admins and mods what to do(that sounded harsh, rather... directing them), our first priority should be to make the access as easy as possible. Not primary banning griefers, not wastig the time trying to delete all the spam, but rather, trying to solve the problem in the constructive way of offering people as much help as possible.

This all seems pretty "Well duh!" to some people, but I think it's important to note that in the case we indeed get the powers, our absolute first priority should be giving the ongoing Bland Bunch the tutorials they need for their first successes. Because happy posters don't become eeevil. Why do impatient kids become flamers? Because they are incompetent and blame their failures on others. The logical conclusion? Gift them some competence.

My point in a nutshell: If we get these kind of powers, we shouldn't waste our time discussing spam-deletion and user-banning, but rather try to make the suggestions-forum as newbie-friendly as possible. Because good posters don't become Blandaxt.

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