Which is what made me quit playing Lockdown

Pretty weak willed there if you quit just because people didnae have nice things to say; I expected more of you, Inci~ :(

You just go for caps? Let me tell you what *I* do:

Most of my loadouts are bombers. Now, most bombers sit on the cap and take it themselves while dropping hazes ON the cap, hoping that whoever finds them is too feart to attack.
What I do is stand outside the CPs and bomb the bottleneck entrances, so no one even gets close to the cap.

Half my bombs don't do any damage and I'm rarely inside a CP I'm defending. What do you think my scores look like at the end?

Do you think I was useful?

Do you think people raged about me?

Fact is, people see the scoreboard and only think "results!" and forget the whole match. But what really matters is when the next match starts, everyone forgets the scoreboard and remembers who annoyed them most. The bombers never get mentioned when everyone looks at the resultsboard, but on the next match, everyone's first thought is "Is the bomber on my team?".
Not saying I'm the best in the world or anythin', just usin' it as an example. Fact is, if you don't care about results boards, don't care about what people say about the results boards.

Man up and get back in LD.

Trap, the point is that there's a difference between players who are successful strikers and kill, cap, defend CPs etc...and players who just go for damage blindly. They'll run into fights (and even if they kill everyone) won't actually do anything productive. Recons can sneak around and decap w/o these guys ever knowing they were in the match. These players don't cap, they don't defend and they don't even decap, they just run straight past empty enemy CPs.

For damage. Because it makes them feel awesome. They got more damage than everyone combined in the game, but were on the losing team becasue the other team juts ignored him and went for caps.

your answer looks like i didn´t understand anything correctly. but i don´t get the point were i missed something. could you explain that in detail?

Brad means that you seem to think that people kill/damage tactically, killing because that way, it slows down enemy progress.

What Brad is trying to say is that typically, people don't. They see they have a weapon, they see something they can hit, so they hit it. Screw CPs and Teamwork, they just wan't to see how much hurt they can inflict. If they lose, it's the team's fault, because they feel like they've carried their weight in damage.

EDIT: Not so guys. I spent the better 80%+ of my T2 LD career trying to effectively capture points. I tried from using a contrast of fast and slow weapons to a hide-and-seek match to just plain battling it out on a CP, I even went so far as to try and get my team to listen to my tactical advice so we could more effectively manage our battle plans. (This worked more often than you'd think.)

The other 20% was spent trying not to suck and die so much.

Damage isn't what Lockdown is about. The CPs are, people just seem to forget that Damage=/=team points.

Try not to worry about what people say. Of all the people that whine about polaris spam and how it ruins lives in a way that cancer never will, all the pros of the game have a polaris handy. Fact is that people generally whine when either something works against them or when they're at fault. In this case, typically the people that whine about caps the most are the ones that have no idea what was happening in the match. My caps are usually low but I don't think anyone ever blames me for it, because if they were paying attention, they know what I contributed.

If people complain about your damage...well, frankly, just ignore 'em. Or tell them that you only won the game because of people doing what you were doing.

Fact is that a full head-on striker team tends not to win outside of GvG because it's just a bunch of guys goin' for damage. Support players, recons etc are essential to regular LD matches, as you need to have people that care about caps as well as the people that care about damage. Won't get any points w/o you, just remember that next time someone whines. Then go on to win again.

Something to consider, next time you get whined at about damage:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=106854758&insideMo...

It helps to be a striker; you can have 2/3 entrances completely covered at all times while your team caps.

VV on heartpads? It just prevents them from being healed. The negative heal only applies to CW.

Polaris makes me sad, really. Anti-bomber, anti-recon, anti-everything-I-do and EVERYONE has it D:

NO! D:

It was the only weapon I had, damnit! 3 hazes and a "go away"-polaris D:

Me, recon. Ambushed by four strikers, they break my cloak. No bombs down and they are comin' at me bro!

What do I do? Whip out a polaris and spam that girl while scurrying away and hopin' to get a cloak in.

It shocks someone. I'm a noob. Game over, go home.

BETTER YET! "use one of your other weapons" ¬¬....

Nono, the polaris is for when I'm bombing!

I bomb, people come near me. "Go away!" I shout then run to the back of my haze and cloak. I tentatively sneak back out and drop another haze and unleash another "Go away!" clip of trollies before retreating to my safe place.

If I take my Stormy instead, then when I shoot, people will step aside and proceed to murder me. Besides, that's only on my shockwalker loadout, and I only tend to use that when there're other bombers threatening to come near me. Typically I just roll full haze~

In that situation, I was just caught off guard and had no defensive layouts in place the way I like. I do so hate it when people can come near me unviolated by fire and shock and poison and....slowness?...stunditude?...

And omg, the polaris never even killed anyone! D: The bullets never got a chance to expand because they were too close; only one person got shocked and I survived like an extra three seconds before they ganged me anyways ;-;

EXACTLY! D:

This is one of the biggest reasons why I dislike playing Lockdown. Yay, cool, you killed that guy standing there now WILL YOU PLEASE HELP ME CAP THIS POint oh, no, whatever that's fine I didn't need your help anyway. :|

Having seen these comments I realise, they really need a game mode for fighting people.

Most people who run around as solver in LD do it because they like killing real people in the world,

Not because they want to capture points.

They seriously need to.get different game modes introduced for PvP.
Most People don't want the game to be won by a team of pulsars and tempests, because us damage noons would prefer to.just run around killing stuff.

I am sad that there are so many good features that were removed.

Tortodrones, super brawl, and I especially miss using the clock works and listening to the soothing jigsaw valley/ jelly farm music.

Too many people worry about winning when you don't really gain anything valuable for it

Too many people worry about damage when you don't gain anything at all for it. Nothing at all.

@Dirt:
You don't always need skill to get damage. For example, enemy spawn camping and ignoring caps. I've seen people camp spawns and lose. I got 10k+ as a guardian gunner w/ platemail and no idea how to gun, purely from just runnin' in blind and shooting.
If you need a resultsboarda to feel good about yourself, that's really your own problem. I don't judge my performance based on numbers, I judge my performance based on how well I did in the match, and I can gauge that by how long I can stand on any given CP and survive, and I can judge it by getting around the map taking all CPs unnoticed.

Some of my best games have had virtually no damage.

Hey, if someone can do that it shows they clearly understand playing the game...and happen to be rad at stabbing, too. They actively took the time to run around and cap, they stayed on CPs and defended them against others and ran around stabbin' prime faces. That's what a striker should be. Sayin' that though, you can also get people with 16 caps and 0 damage. They clearly influenced the game, too~
Not to dismiss the damage, as that 31k would have gone a long way to pushing back, but just that ultimately it's the caps that win the game.

Problem is that a lot of strikers will get that 31k and provide otherwise absolutely nothing to the game for your team. They might as well have been on their own team, because they often don't work with or for your team.

Personally, I love nothing more than when a UVd godmode striker starts telling the rest of the team to cap. Shows they're working for the team rather than just their damage.

Relax. Do 'em both. Or, if you're a demoman, defend points like a pro- Recon Bombers on Stadium can do wonders at the south CP farthest from their team, since there's only one feasible path for the enemy to take, and probably support their team even if they can't cap that **** center point.

In this game, there's merits to every weapon and shield type, as long as you devote time to the goal. In this case, the goal is keeping control of the most CPs for the longest time. But this doesn't always mean standing on the point; for example, laying VTs by or otherwise defending the water at the beginning of Furnace, if successful, keeps the enemy from gaining access to Point 2 early on, while a teammate can walk in and lower the fire on your own side. I'd love to see a match where a Skolver striker devotes his time early on to fileting anyone that goes toward the water globes there- it would be so hilarious.

If you spot a Recon running by without a cloak, of course you should sic him, even if you must get off the point for a bit; once his cloak restores he'll be backcapping your base and laying down bombs or firing Polaris like crazy. If you see a gunner headed for the center on your way to the point, it's a good idea to sic him. And a retreating guardian with his shield down is much less threatening than the same guardian standing on the center point with a gunner using him as cover. Think strategically when you're not busy dodging and shooting/firing/laying bombs.

Teamwork is good, too; if an ally bomber's VT is keeping the enemy strikers from doing anything, don't run out and kill them at risk to your own life; pepper them with gunshots or ranged sword charges while speeding up the capture! On the other hand, if the Polaris comes out, break out any sword you may have and sic 'em before they drive your bomber completely bonkers with Shock.

"you don't gain much from winning"

The Electron Vortex, the Voltedge, and Krogmo Trinkets beg to differ. (Especially the Vortex. Vortex rules. Vortex!) As do the Bombhead masks; whether they're coin-bought or Bribed, they're quite rare and kind of cool (especially that Iron Bombhead). If you really have nothing new to get- as in, you have two Penta-Hearts, two of every other Trinky, Electron Vortex, Voltedge, Stagger Storm, Plague Needle, Triglav, and every buyable Bombhead- then get some Mod Calibrators or Enamorocks and sell 'em. Little extra cash on the side never hurt. And guys. If someone fills the Bribe meter, and you won't be using your mist for anything else, CONTRIBUTE A POINT OR TWO OF MIST. Some people JUST WANT A FREAKING ELECTRON VORTEX RECIPE.

Damage isn't important, but kills are important and you do damage when you kill someone.

"Unless it's Meida."

i miss him

You asked a question and I responded. You then comment saying you dont mean your words literally. I tell you to fix and you are now saying that I think a question is a fact. What point am I exactly missing?

If youre going to say people act like that please be more specific. You are attacking everyone by saying 'people'

I love Lockdown and have fun playing it

That's all that matters. End. Finished. Bottom line. Learn to ignore teh others, or tell them off, or troll, or find different LD groups, or do GvG. Don't let whiners stop you from doin' what you wanna do; the best way to lose everything in life you love, is caring what others think too much.