Spiral Knights - scam on wells fog

scam on wells fog

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Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:10

Hello everyone here I just install a mist sinks on the seat of my guild and my great surprise I see that you can not drop the crystal and not the mist giving a minimum of 500 fill power

I then voice n can anyone clear my fog wells

question is what is well
no response

1) the well should be doing so that if a player draws contribute it to remove that file and it has no more
2) if I met my then and I want to share that I draw to the desired Player rights and has not everyone
3) For me, well to put his fog mist not use the day and give me a subject and not as if its my crystal to put in my crystal so I keep it on me

4) more spiral it offers a 20% that it is full gg

so here's the scam Player mist does not sell you drop the crystal in the well is turned into mist and fog can not exceed 100

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:12

Pinkie-Girl

Fog what? I dunno what ya

Fog what? I dunno what ya talkin bout

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:13

Melisan

What??

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:17

Juances

I think he's talking about the energy fountains.

It IS suppsoed to take your crystal and turn ti into mist, with a little bonus, wich obviosuly should only be used if you're about to spend said mist, not to save it.

If you do it the other way around, it can be easily exploited.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:27

sorry I use google translator

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:39

this was one of my idea that

this was one of my idea that the spiral is evil mg interpret the tank or heat haze do this almost 1 year since i put this idea here is the link to my original idea

http://forums.spiralknights.com/fr/node/37291

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:44

Ubernerd

Dude...

Stick to the French forums. We can't understand you when you try to use English.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 07:45

Juances

Multiple accounts == infinite mist == infinite crystal energy == breaks the game

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 08:40

sorry for my bad english.

you can do an infinite accounts. but not an infinite mist beacause you have only 2 mist tank in your computer : Free and paying. Free is bind on all your account exept which you have give a certain amount of money to spiral. paying is bind on all of your paid account. So you can't have an inlimited mist ^^.

My idea was too help the people whio can't play in the week. Imagine someone who can play only one week on two. he lost 700 mist every week ...

The well of mist is a good idea to win some energie but does he could be one the other way too ? you gain some energy if you put some in (+20%). Then why don't reverse too ? if you put mist inside to recolte energy, you lost 20%.

For example, imagine a player who want to do a shadow lair. he can take mist in the well(+100) but he will not use only 100 mist to do the shadow lair and he can't go back to take mist in the level... You put 500 energie but can withdraw only 100 by 100. with my idea, he can put 100 mist each day and save above 80 energie. After you can take a highest amount and go on shadow lair.

so you don't break the game or else. You just add somethink too help player.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 09:22

Fehzor

It shouldn't go backwards... that would allow players to generate CE on their own, and that would be exploited easily.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 10:44

#10

Fradow

Suggestion forum please

I don't really care about suggestions but here, I'll translate it for you. It would be great to move it to the suggestion forum though.
Je me préoccupe peu des suggestions, mais je vais te traduire ça (à la main, pas avec Google). Par contre ça serait cool de bouger ce post sur le forum des suggestions. Pour faire ça, édite ton premier post et choisis le forum dans la liste de sélection.

(notes on French grammar) Tu devrais relire ton texte, car même en français c'est pas super bien écris. J'ai fais en sorte de concerver l'esprit du texte en bon anglais.

Title : Improve the heat system

Only one heat tank is available at the NPC per player, which always stays bound to the player and will work like a rechargeable battery. When it's full, you can sell the content to the heat merchant that our GM friends will have specifically created.

This heat merchant will by the heat at a fluctuating rate but reasonable, based on the heat he has in stock (there will be a maximum and minimum price). The bigger the stock is, the less the price at which the merchant will buy. The tank will fill only if the player doesn't have any gear to heat. Players who don't want to run to acquire heat will then be able to buy some heat with CE and use it on their gear (which have to be bound beforehand). The heat stock of the merchant will be reset at every restart.

Examples :
- Nexts (T.N. : player's name) empty his heat tank for 150 energy for a small tank at 9:00
- In between, other players come to sell heat too
- Nexts come back to empty his tank at 11:00, he sells it for only 50 energy for a small tank, because the heat stocked by the merchant have increased by a lot.

If nexts wants to sell for 150 energy, he will have to wait for the server restart or that the merchant sells his heat stock to other players.

This also works the other way, the merchant will only sell heat to players if he has some in stock.

To sum up, it's a smal heat auction.

If possible, several tank sizes will be available : small (50%), normal (100%), high (150%), very high (200%), maximum (500%). If someone wants a bigger or smaller size, the previous tank will be destroyed whatever the quantity of heat acquired. The tanks will have to be bought with energy at different prices.

I want to thank my team (theeagels and celesthia) for their help and colaboration. I also want to thank the Spiral HQ team for their interest in my idea and its futur (I hope) implementation.

Best wishes, Nexts

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 11:58

#11

Schattentag

@Fradow

I'm 90% sure Nexts is referring to the Mist Wells available in Guild Halls. I hear that you can put X CE into the well, then that is returned as 1.2X Mist Energy.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:01

#12

Fradow

I was confused since he

I was confused since he posted another thread in arsenal talking about that. I just noticed when he replied. Either way, it's the translation of the post he links to in comment 5# and, yes, the correct translation for the other post which is on arsenal.

Anyway, it seems like it's a bug report, but I don't understand what he wants to say. I could translate if there was a french post though.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 12:49

#13

oki http://forums.spiralknigh

oki

http://forums.spiralknights.com/fr/node/68434

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 13:54

#14

Fradow

Ok, here is the translation

Ok, here is the translation :

Hello everyone, I just installed a mist well in my guild hall, and to my great surprise, I see that we can only deposit Crystal Energy et not Mist, with a minimum of 500 to be able to fill it.

Then, I see that anyone can withdraw from my mist well.

Question : what's the use for that well ?
Answer : nothing.

1) the well should be made so that if a player save up, he can withdraw only what he deposited and not more
2) if I fill my well and I want to share , I should be able to give the right to the player I want and not everyone
3) for me, the mist well is to put the unused mist of the day and do a stock, and not my crystal since if it's to put my crystal in it, I'd rather keep it
4) a plus from spiral, it offers 20% once it's full gg (T.N. : not sure I get this sentence)

So here is the scam, players, the mist can't be sold, once you deposit crystal in the well it is transformed to mist and you can't go over 100 mist

End of translation.

Ssssooo. It's not a bug report. I see both some whining and some suggestions. Either way, the mist well seems to work as intended, though the description may not be accurate before you purchase it.
I also totally disagree with your statement that it serves no purpose. My guild is already using it a lot and is very happy with it. It's the single most useful thing that was introduced in the patch. You get more energy than you give the well. You just have to use it the right way, filling up your mist before you go in a run or craft something and not the other way around.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 14:14

#15

Adamosaur

He clearly doesn't understand

He clearly doesn't understand what the mist well does. It takes ce and changes it into mist with a 20% bonus. When you withdraw from it, it just fills up your mist to 100, taking that amount from the well.
The 20% bonus is meant to give a greater reward the more you store in it. 500ce = 600mist, 100mist profit, pretty good. 5000ce = 6000mist, that's a 1000mist profit...very good indeed!

I mostly use mine to help newer players who aren't using Elevator passes. If we all are going to play vana, but someone is lacking 50 mist, just load up from the mist well and we're off.
Because of this, I place plants around this well to stop some new guildies from eating up that mist. Also, it is saved in your Guild Record who puts in ce and takes out mist, the player, date, time, all you need to know to stop/kick/demote whoever is stealing from it. Players who are not in your guild (visiting) cannot access it, this I am sure of.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:11

#16

Sketman

1: Nice, I guess the pots

1: Nice, I guess the pots actually could stop potential stealers
2: I think you can use other guild's mist wells, as you can right click it. However you can't access their storage, I think you store/retrieve your own.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 15:17

#17

Adamosaur

I've been in other

I've been in other guildhalls. If you click to activate the mist well, nothing happens (it's not interactive for nonguildies). You cannot access storage or console of other guildies in any form, it just shows the help button if you select it.

I do wish that you could donate to another guild's treasury. It'd be nice to put money in there to help a new guild instead of giving it to one of them who may or may not have deposited it all there (no proof directly that you can see as a nonguildie). It'd just be nice.

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:22

#18

Psychodestroyer

Yo, Adam

Thu, 11/15/2012 - 18:53

#19

Adamosaur

Noted, ty for forwarding

Noted, ty for forwarding me.
I only read these forums when there's a new (and complicated) update or additional content like in this case so I must have missed it.

All in all, I think the mist wells are a nice addition to guilds and guildhalls. A very useful feature for experienced or smaller (Trusting) guilds who love supporting each other and new trusted players. For larger guilds or those 100+ member guilds, it can be an issue with stealing this and that mist. Gives even more reason to maintain a strong but loyal leadership of guilds. Used to be just GM's and Officers...now gotta keep an eye on Vets xD

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 01:19

#20

the base when I have run the

the base when I have run the idea of heat reservoir tank and then mist it was inspected by the buyer

its the buyer who decided to give its heat or haze that he wanted without that everybody draws empty

(eg I vacuum all Well you do not care about me outside my guild Jai win 500 mm mm haze I do this in guild mmmmmmmmmm 20)

I think that there should be an option on the wells to allow the consumer to access one or more Player of the guild to be or not
j for I have several friends that its not in my guild

example

player 1 ok 5 mist
player 2 not
3 ok 25 player guild mist
4 non player Guild
5 ok 50 player guild mist

consumption limit from predefined update from the buyer well for sharing her with other player haze value from 1 to 100
limit access to wells allow a Player x 10 3 times removed of mist

ect

for the deposition of crystal crystal 500 I think its strong rise because all the team are not rich
(already that you have to pay the maintains headquarters is already strong rise as I found which should be free)

I'd be well with unlimited deposit $ 5 or mist crystal and all Crystal spiral offers 500% bonus x

ect

french

a la base quand j ai lancer l'idée du réservoir de chaleur et puis le réservoir de brume celui-ci étais contrôler par l acheteur

ses l acheteur qui décidais de donner sa chaleur ou sa brume a qui il voulais sans pour autant que tous le monde puise le vider

(exemple je vide tous le puits tu me fous dehors la guilde mes moi Jai gagner 500 de brume mm mm je fais cela dans 20 guilde mmmmmmmmmm )

je pense qu' il devrait avoir une option sur ce puits pour pouvoir autoriser l accès de consommation a 1 ou plusieurs Player qui sois de la guilde ou non
car moi j ai plusieurs amis qui ne son pas dans ma guilde

example

player 1 ok 5 brume
player 2 non
player 3 ok guilde 25 brume
player 4 guilde non
player 5 ok guilde 50 brume

limite de consommation part jour prédéfinis part l acheteur puits pour le partage de sa brume avec les autres joueur valeur de 1 a 100
limite d accès au puits Player x autoriser a retirer 3 fois 10 de brume

ect

pour le dépôt de cristal je trouve que 500 cristal ses fort élever car toute les team ne sont pas riche
(déjà qu' il faut payer l entretient du siège qui est déjà fort élever aussi que je trouve qui devrait être gratis )

moi je ferais un puits illimite avec un dépôt par tranche de 5 cristal ou de brume et tous les 500 cristal spiral offre x% de bonus

ect

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