Spiral Knights - Free Stuff! How about you learn some gratitude instead of begging, hmm?

Free Stuff! How about you learn some gratitude instead of begging, hmm?

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Fri, 11/16/2012 - 12:18

#51

Hero-Of-Cheese

Free sword and shield =D

Well I for one, am happy that OOO gave us a free sword.I was thinking of making a tempered calibur, even though I have the other swords like fireburst brandish and nightblade.I wanted an all purpose sword, which the calibur line does.After downloading the update, I got a free 3* sword and shield.It's looks cool, and I'm grateful that OOO did this because I just saved 200CE.Will I use it for long, probably not.But am I happy they did this, yes.That's my take on the situation at hand.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:54

#52

Sintag

You have won. The Internets are yours.

Doctorspacebar, you are the best, around. Nothing is ever gonna keep yu down. While I'm at it...

DUCK! SUGGESTION OCMIN' ATCHA!

Renaming items. Yes. It'd cost 100 energy (Mist works too) and lets you rename an item. Example below.

I want to rename my Honor Blade "Gold Sword of Justice." I'd use 100 of my CE (Or ME if I was seriously that patient) and rename the item. There. Done. You can't rename it anything inappropriate (Game Masters would decide what flies) and you have a 30 character limit. There. Suggestionization completed.

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:51

#53

Grittle

Well thanks OOO, thanks for

Well thanks OOO, thanks for my sword, even though I hate swords....

Then again, Its free, so no Grittle-style Complaints!

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 21:34

#54

Darkbrady

@Sintag: That's actually

@Sintag:
That's actually awesome. I've played games before that, when you max items completely, you get the option to rename them. Always a nice feature, makes it feel truly yours, like you built it yourself, like it belongs to you, instead of just being standard issue.

Take that to Suggestions, I'll +1 that bad boy.

Would love to name my Suda!

"You were killed by Darkbrady. Darkbrady is wielding 'The Face Smasher'~"

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 05:58

#55

Shadowracer-Forum

Doctorspacebar:

I had that idea too, so obviously I'll +1 yours. Yay! Maybe we can get everyone to stop being elitists and see that we want a shot at a great-looking sword too!

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:03

#56

Psychodestroyer

Naming weapons?

Pff.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 06:34

#57

Darkbrady

@Psych: Ah, I'd forgotten

@Psych:
Ah, I'd forgotten about that thread, actually. I was wring that post and had the feeling that it was familiar, but just thought it was a thought from other games~
Still has my approval~

@Shadow:
I don't think the people who oppose upgrading them are being elitist at all. I oppose it and it has nothing to do with elitism; I'm not even treating them as weapons, I treat the whole thing as a token or memento to remind players how far they'd progressed by the time GHs were released; I'm treating the free gifts as a trophy and gift rather than a sword. I could honestly care less if everyone got a free 5* sword, it's more about the concept of giving everyone a rank-based item being entirely devalued for everyone, if everyone can just get the same one within a month anyways.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 08:48

#58

Shadowracer-Forum

Maybe our viewpoints are different.

I think we're still obeying the concept. We're doing the work later than you, and as such quite frankly doing more than you had to. You did a few missions, we pay 1400CE (assuming 4-5, which is my case) to achieve the same ends. We're doing more work to obtain it and as long as there IS a way I'm fine with it. In my case, all seeing a suboptimal sword stuck in my inventory does is depress me slightly, reminding me that I could have done better. We don't have a track record for OOO taking suggestions on a gift like this, because we've never had a gift like this before.

I was here when missions were out. I was here when it came out on Steam for the first time, actually. I didn't reach Vanguard because I spent my mist helping friends reach Vanguard. (I didn't level WITH them because they tended not to need my help on the mission I was on) Should I be punished for that? Oh. Wait. I made that point earlier didn't I? Sorry!

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 05:20

#59

Aureate

Processing Thoughts of You Always

Well, I don't know about you guys, but I just got a free 5* shield and sword. It was even a cool-looking reskin of a sword I was meaning to get someday, too! I mean, I thought that was a nice gesture. Plus it goes with the Proto set that I got in Regal colours, not to mention the new costume I was planning to make with Divine Veil/Radiant Silvermail...

/shrug

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 14:56

#60

Psychodestroyer

"It was even a cool-looking reskin of a sword I was meaning to get someday, too!"

Lucky little turret :/

(I have the Ascended Honour Blade and my Leviathan. My sadness is all-consuming.)

Kidding, I really do appreciate the look of the Honour Blades.

"I didn't reach Vanguard because I spent my mist helping friends reach Vanguard. (I didn't level WITH them because they tended not to need my help on the mission I was on) "

Sounds like me not reaching T3 earlier because I kept giving all the stuff I was crafting away to other newbies while I was planning to sell them. Also gave away cr and materials a lot. Old habit.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:19

#61

Mad-Wolver

Well... yes it is free but

Well... yes it is free but the majority of people don't have any use for the items. I am a 5* player with all 5 star gear and is at 9-2 in the missions and got 4* crap which I don't even need. I honestly think I should ahve got a 5* because this is of no use to me. And a lot of people got things that are of no use to them considering that they have something already like it or something better like leviathan blade or something. And the fact that you can't upgrade it ruins the point of receiving it. All of the people who got ,2*,3*, or 4* of those swords and shield are just gonna end up tossing it away or using another weapon knowing they won't be able to upgrade it anyways. I can understand people with the stuck with a 2* version will complain. All you need to do is throw in 10k crowns to get a tempered calibur and you officially have no use for it because you can't upgrade it. And for me,being stuck for the 4* and all, I'm never going to use it because i have two 5* weapons that I would prefer. On the other hand, if it was 5* I would use it because I have no Levi, or normal weapon.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 16:37

#62

Shadowracer-Forum

It doesn't RUIN THE POINT exactly. It's still nice.

It'd just be great if we could all get the levi reskin.

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 21:13

#63

Darkbrady

Let me put it this way: Would

Let me put it this way:

Would you care as much, if everyone got the Levi reskin, but it was 1*?

Sat, 11/17/2012 - 21:15

#64

Nexassassin

Just sayin'

If anyone called the gift I give them crap first time they get it, I probably won't give that guy anything ever again.

I know I probably won't ever use the Honor Blade and Guard in a practical sense, just knowing someone gave me something because they did not need to is enough to make me wanna give everyone hugz <(^o^)> *hugz*

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 04:15

#65

Dismanteler

Darkbrady's right, but how

Darkbrady's right, but how are you meant to say thank you? You never see GM's in game so how you meant to say thank you?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 04:17

#66

Dismanteler

Could send mail I suppose :S

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 04:21

#67

Shadowracer-Forum

Dark:

I wouldn't. I'd be a bit confused, but I wouldn't really mind for my personal agenda (collecting items) is still okay. But I doubt that it's going to happen, and now that it has I might as well try and help everyone get them. Besides, again, you have a second shot at everything apart from Groundbreaker (which I understand, it's to show everyone that this person was here since the start) so I hope there's SOME way of grabbing the Honor Blades. Maybe a guild-hall Honor Alchemy Machine and put 2*s in Featured Auctions?

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 08:58

#68

Caelifer

Sob story time!

So beat The King of Ashes mission a day before the update. Seeing as how 9-4 comprised of congratulatory missions, I decided to log off because I had college the next morning. Besides, I could enjoy the ending of the mission story over breakfast the next morning, right?

The update hit my side at 3 am.

I awoke at six to see the SK patcher updating. After reading the patch notes and realising the honor items were distributed according to rank, I rushed to log in and finish the text-only missions before it was too late. I knew it wouldn't help, but I crossed my fingers and breezed through the final missions in the hopes that the game would recognize I was now legible for the final tier rewards anyway.

Nope. Le sigh.

I know I shouldn't feel upset, but when you've come so close you can't help it. I'm a collector; I have something from every Spiral Knights event since launch. When during my "inactive" period I log in to get some event items. I don't need the 5* Honor items, but it'd be nice. I know I'd use them since I never crafted a Leviathan either.

So, I have the 4* items now, still crossing my fingers that OOO will give us some way to upgrade them. I feel so incomplete without the full versions of these beautiful things ;_;

/sob story

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 11:43

#69

Forum-Brady

@Shadow: I wouldn't. Exactly.

@Shadow:
I wouldn't.

Exactly. You wouldnae care. Because you wouldn't ever use it, because it's just a reskin, a trophy.

What's actually different? It's a Levi Blade that you likely won't ever use outside of just showing off; it's just a reskin, a trophy. Only difference is that some of them happen to be able to do damage as well. Similarly; would you complain if all the weapons were 5*? You still wouldn't use any of them because they'd all just be Levis, despite slightly different appearances.
Fact is that most of the people who're wanting it to upgrade just want the 5* sword and are seeming to forget that they'll never use it anyway.

And you seem to be missing the point still. Groundbreaker can't be re-acqruied because it's meant to show that you were [at a certain stage in the game] where everyone else wasn't. So are the Honour Blades; they show that by this stage in the game, you were Vanguard, or Champion, or Knight. Changing them or getting them later is exactly the same as asking to be able to craft Groundbreaker. It's the exact same thing.

Don't forget that when prestige was released, they did say that rewards and prizes would be handed out in the future that would be based on rank, so they obviously think...well, at least a similar line of thinking, if not the same.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 16:35

#70

Caelifer

Two cents

But the thing is we didn't really have this coming. Other than that one mention months ago there wasn't a reminder this time. With Groundbreaker it was kind of a given; you played in the beta, here's a little something to commemorate that. This reward came at a seemingly random time, at least not one tied to any particular occasion. If they had given even one cryptic "something is coming!" notice, maybe a handful more people would've seen this coming. I certainly wouldn't have expected something like this to hit with a guild hall update.

Personally I was 9-4 when the update hit. I'd gone through all the challenges that any Vanguard faced, King of Ashes and all. I feel like a bunch of us are being forgotten because we didn't finish talking to NPCs, when we had essentially done everything else required of us. So yeah, forgive me for being a little bitter.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 16:52

#71

Forum-Brady

Giving people warning that

Giving people warning that they're going to be rewarded based on current rank defeats the point of rewarding based on current rank, I feel, since the warning would just cause people to go and improve their rank when they otherwise wouldn't.

Take Nemesis on his ragethread for example. In the linked post he claims that he never cared about prestige and never bothered with it. Should a warning have been issued, he'd have increased his rank and acquired the reward deemed for Vanguards, despite being someone who never cared about prestige and would have otherwise never bothered to reach Vanguard. This would, imho, entirely defeat the point of a rank based award.
(Rage-Disclaimer: this is not attacking our rager in question, just using him and his attitude as an example against my current point; this could and does easily apply to many other players)

The initial warning was enough; it should be taken for red that these prizes will come without notice.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 17:53

#72

Mad-Wolver

Honestly...

I don't think giving out the rewards should be based on your rank in missions. Like you just above Forum-Brady the guy in the other thread said he didn't care about missions or his rank. But he is a very high up players as in tier with good armor right? Then why should he have to be stuck with the 2* stuff. And I for sure know that he is not the only one who didn't do the missions but has 5* gear and is a high up players but received this 2* crap. Why should a tier 3 receive something from tier 1 or 2? It sounds very ridiculous to me. I also was on the brink of finishing the last mission and then these rewards came out now I'm stuck with the 4* crap which i will never use. Which isn't really fair when I completed the 5* Hall of Heroes mission. it really should be based on that. If you completed 2* Hall of Heroes you get 2*. If I completed the 5* why should I (and many others) get 4* crap? The game obviously knows I have 5* gear but yet it gives me 4*? No no no. Not right.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:03

#73

Ubernerd

And there it is

"...but yet it gives me 4*?"
"...but yet it gives me 4*?"
"...but yet it gives me 4*?"

I believe the point has been made enough times that I don't need to say anything further.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:12

#74

Forum-Brady

Then why should he have to be

Then why should he have to be stuck with the free 2* stuff
Why should a tier 3 receive something free from tier 1 or 2?

I love it when people answer their own questions for me:

he didn't care about missions or his rank

That's why. It wasn't a free reward based on how many times you've killed Vana, how many 5* armours you have or how awesome you are at LD, it was a free reward based on your rank in the missions system. It was specifically catering to people who participate in the missions system. If you don't join in missions, you don't get the free reward. It's like giving a free gift to players who play LD at least once, then everyone who never bothered raging that they deserve it, despite not being involved in the appropriate section of the game.

I'm stuck with the free 4* crap which i will never use.
Free crap. Free crap that cost you nothing and you did nothing to deserve. Sounds like you're at no loss to me here, so no reason to complain. Not to mention the fact that even if you got the free 5*, you'd still never use it because it's a useless free Levi Blade! :D

No no no. Not right.

Sounds about right to me. Just more people crying that they didn't get the best free stuff and only got mediocre free stuff instead. Free stuff btw, that regardless of weapon quality, no one in the game past 2* will ever use.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:15

#75

Shadowracer-Forum

Hey!

Whilst all arguing our points will do is cause frustration (Mine is: We should have upgrades because everything else is, here are a list of reasons why, yours is: They don't deserve it because they didn't do the missions because whatever, here's a list of reasons why they'd never use them anyway) please stop hating on Levis. They're cool.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:25

#76

Ubernerd

"We should have upgrades because everything else is"

Oh? Good luck upgrading that Vitasuit into a Vitasuit Plus. Or that Vitasuit Plus into a Vitasuit Deluxe.

Sun, 11/18/2012 - 18:26

#77

Forum-Brady

please stop hating on Levis.

please stop hating on Levis. They're cool.

I harbour no ill will towards the Calibur line per se; I use a CiV myself and love it. But fact of the matter is that a vast portion of the community never bother crafting Calibur lines and many of the people who do own Levis still don't atcually use them that much at all.

All I'm saying is that people using the excuse "the 4* sits useless in my bag" are just spewing gas, because even if they did have the 5* one, I guarantee it won't see as much use as whichever Brandish they use or whatever their preferred sword is. It just won't happen. A week of novelty might have the swords out regularly sure, but a few weeks down the line and you just won't see the reskins anymore shy of Hipsters or people wearing fashions to suit the blade, whatever the *.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 00:58

#78

Caelifer

We're not mad

We're not mad that I didn't get the full rewards, just upset. Some us did deserve to get these; had the update been a few hours later I'd be on the other side of this argument, same as you.

None of us saw this coming; some knights were Vanguards when the update hit- great. You have no idea how much it stings to miss something that will probably never see another release. We can only voice out and hope OOO hears our pleas for more time.

I don't blame OOO for releasing the honor prizes when they did.
I'm upset they haven't given us a second thought.
Any thread a GM replies to regarding the update just skims over ones like these.
There wasn't anyone to give us a straight answer, or try to quell the upset or the angry.
We're met with silence.

We're appreciative of getting what we did; believe me. But every time someone whips out a Lionheart during a run, we'll always feel that twinge of regret.

We don't want to miss out on getting these if there was still a chance.
Please, let us try to be heard.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 01:04

#79

Forum-Brady

I have stated in other posts

I have stated in other posts that I sympathise with the few people in such situations that legitimately should have hit Vanguard bit didn't, willingly, by a margin of mere hours.

However, I can't condone a change/update that would crush the purpose of and entirely devalue every reward in the game for a few select cases. It's just not fair for the rest of the playerbase to repair an unfortunate issue for a handful of unfortunate people.

However, I have said (to another post in a similar situation as yourself) to send in a ticket to the GMs. Data logs should surely have timecodes of your progress showing that you only had energy-free "talk" missions to finish before the update and had enough time to do so. If they can see this, they should surely agree that such a situation wouldn't go against the people who oppose upgradable Honour Blades, nor be unfair against those who simply didn't reach Vanguard.

Worst case is they say no, but I'd recommend it; it's worth a shot, costs nothing and could end favourably. Personally, I'd like to see those few situations rectified.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 01:51

#80

Caelifer

@Forum-Brady, and for any GMs who might be listening

"However, I have said (to another post in a similar situation as yourself) to send in a ticket to the GMs. Data logs should surely have timecodes of your progress showing that you only had energy-free "talk" missions to finish before the update and had enough time to do so. If they can see this, they should surely agree that such a situation wouldn't go against the people who oppose upgradable Honour Blades, nor be unfair against those who simply didn't reach Vanguard.

Worst case is they say no, but I'd recommend it; it's worth a shot, costs nothing and could end favourably. Personally, I'd like to see those few situations rectified."

I've tried my hand at an appeal, but they won't have it. I was met with a quick apology, and a prompt closing of the request ticket. Questions or suggestions brought up are deflected or glossed over without second thought. I don't believe any of the GMs think it worthwhile to delve into the data logs just to see if any of us had 'qualified' for the promotion, so it was easier to lump all the cases together.

Disheartened as I am I'd love to just give up and chalk it up to "life happens", but these issues are not above a solution. What you suggested would be ideal; but they won't do it.

If nothing else I'd like to at least find out why and get some closure.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 02:09

#81

Xxpapaya

The papaya is confused

Not sure what to make of this thread, just gonna release some tension =) HEY EVERYONE, FREE COOKIES IN HAVEN, NEXT TO THE GUN PUPPY STATUE ON THE LEFT OF THE AUCTION HOUSE.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 14:28

#82

Forum-Brady

@Caelifer: If it's any

@Caelifer:
If it's any consolation, you at least know with certainty that when the next rank-based reward comes around, you'll be Vanguard already and won't have to worry about any such incidents. As you say, it may sting, but ultimately it's no major loss in the meantime.
I do find myself somewhat /disrespect if they aren't willing to even look at such cases, however.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 15:39

#83

Mad-Wolver

Well, what exactly is the

Well, what exactly is the point of giving out an item they will never use? And don't tell em what I will use and not use because Levi is actually a good sword considering it does the same damage to everything.

So Forum-Brady you highlight the free part? I guess I'm going to highlight the crap.

I'm stuck with free 4* crap...

Ever notice why I call it crap? Because I will NEVER use it and even if people are using it. They are just going to toss it away like it nothing once they reach the next star. See it's free...but it is crap. So there is really no point in getting something free you will never use. It's is like it is not even there. See everyone is focusing on the fact that it is free, but what is the point of getting something for free you will never use?

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 15:45

#84

Shadowracer-Forum

Well on this sarcastic journey of discovery I've found an answer

I know why I think they should do something with the honor blades now.

Permanency.

In Spiral Knights, very little is permanently out of your reach. Didn't get a Phantom Mask? Maybe next year! Rose Regalia? Perhaps it'll turn up for sale! Groundbreaker... yeah, I get why that's exclusive. No issues there. Battle Stands? Trade! Honor Blades... no. Nothing. No way to obtain. You will NEVER have one of these no matter how hard you try. Everyone else will because they did some missions, but you didn't so you can't.

A wild paragraph has appeared!

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 16:24

#85

Forum-Brady

Doesn't matter if it's crap

Doesn't matter if it's crap because it's free.

How many times have I said to treat it more as a gift and token, a memento, than a weapon. Think of it as a costume or a bundle of unique tokens or something; it's there just to go "hey, you reached [whatever] rank, congrats!" People are taking the "weapon" part too literally. Honestly starting to think just a costume would have been better just to get all these ragers to shut up.

@Shadow:
Exact same as ground breaker. It's a reward based on rank. Maybe they'll give out the same rewards, again based on rank, next year. Maybe not. The whole point is to...

*sigh*

Y'know, I really feel like I'm just starting to repeat myself here. Has anyone actually got something new to add to this debate? I'm getting quite exhausted because it's just coming back to the same points, which I feel I've debated against already, several times....

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 16:38

#86

Psychodestroyer

...

Snipes.

Snipes are now new to this debate.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 16:50

#87

Forum-Brady

We have so many snipes in our

We have so many snipes in our GH it's unreal...

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 01:37

#88

Shadowracer-Forum

Okay, let's just get this argument over with.

First: I am jelly of your excessive snipes.

Second: If they were different 1* reskins, I'd want them to be upgradable. If there were costume shields (a good idea now I think about it.) and the Honor Guards were different costume items, I'd want them to be upgradable.

Third: This is really a matter of opinion. We can keep repeating the same points as long as we want, without gaining ground either way, as the last few days have proven.

You can call me greedy, and you may be right... but don't be surprised when I turn around and point out you're being selfish.

To answer your question, I don't think there is more to say. You'll keep believing that if one other person gets your precious Lionheart it's worthless to you (sounds a bit flamey. Sorry.) and I'm a petulant child (note to self: find a way to phrase that sentence without making his point for him) and I'll keep believing that you're an elitist who doesn't want anyone else to have something that makes him so special.

Neither of us can really change each other's opinion. OOO's probably read it and made their minds up one way or the other... and I'm pretty sure they went your way.

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 02:07

#89

Psychodestroyer

Shadow, what he means is that

Shadow, what he means is that the Lionheart is currently special because it can only be obtained via this event.

That's it's novelty value. If it were to become available to everyone else, it would lose that value.

I don't think Dark's against anyone eventually getting it. He was saying that the moment we got our hands on something free, we asked for more, instead of appreciating the gift we got, and that annoys him.

He's also saying that by right, we SHOULDN'T be allowed to get higher-up versions because one, it'd devalue the ones in existence, and two we'll be making better use of what's considered a novelty item that we're lucky to be able to USE as a weapon in the first place.

As for losing the novelty value, because he and others already have better weapons than the Levi (as they consider it, I love my Levi) the only value the Lionheart hold is it's novelty value. Scrap that, and it's pretty much worthless.

Dark's not trying to stop people from enjoying their things, last I checked, but he wants people to appreciate what they've been given. His more recent argument is following the more logical side of why people shouldn't even be getting an upgrade, I think. But he DOES sympathize to an extent with people that are stuck with 'lesser' versions.

However, you took him as not wanting people to get better versions at all, which is not entirely wrong; Dark would prefer things that way, I think, but he's not saying 'don't do it it'll screw me over'. He's more saying that technically we shouldn't get to, but for now, at least, everyone should just shut up and enjoy the stuff; the future can be discussed when this is over.

EDIT: Sorry I only appear to be defending Dark here Shadow, but I think Dark has a good enough idea about what you're trying to say, so I won't say it.

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 03:54

#90

Shadowracer-Forum

Thanks, Psycho

You managed to translate it into "reasonable" and for that I thank you.

Pretty much: We should just be thankful for what we have, then maybe we can upgrade it later on.

Thanks for trying to make peace! I appreciate it.

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 04:01

#91

Psychodestroyer

Just in case Dark DOESN'T get that:

"You managed to translate it into something I can read as "reasonable" and for that I thank you."

Fixed.

Although as far as I've seen Dark doesn't get annoyed so easily as that, just thought I'd clear that up, because you both probably really don't want to get mad at each other, so I'd rather not give ya'll an excuse to.

No problem :D

Wait, big problem. Ten minutes of my life I've lost and can't get back. :/

Vogdammit...

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 12:33

#92

Autofire

I don't know how you feel...

I'm a vanguard... :3

TROLELOLELO

It's free. Shut your yap...

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 14:59

#93

Canine-Vladmir

no lie, i do wish i could down grade

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 02:07

#94

Meomap

Sorry, but I am against the

Sorry, but I am against the saying that I should be grateful for every free stuff they throw at me.

First off, I don't need it, but by giving me the stuff making me or everyone elses think that they are doing me a favor.

Even if the stuff is awesome, nothing to complain about, then it's what they do, when they're hundreds of F2P out there to compete. And this action is something out of pulling the customers back. Who do you think you are? Customer, you pay with or even without money, and this is part of the service.

Second, look at the stuff and its value: something u cannot upgrade. The moment I receive the items, I go to the upgrade machine, check the recipe and very soon found out there is no point in using them.

You know well that means you can only use it for a short time, before you go to the next level, and abandon all the low lv stuff (or upgrade them). Then the things are like some junk sitting ini your inventory, nothing more.

So what remain is the attitude of the game by giving people stuff that is more annoying, rather than worth being thankful for.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 02:13

#95

Darkbrady

^ Another person this thread

Another person this thread was directed at. Focusses more on th value and usefulness of an item and ignores the intention with which it was given to him.

Thank-you also, for proving my point~

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 02:51

#96

Meomap

First of all, I am not a kind

First of all, I am not a kind of pp that ASK for more free stuff.

If the stuff is given to me, it should be useful, if not, then please hold it.

And the intention? Yes, in real life, if you like someone, then you give them a fake diamond ring. So first when they see it, they would think "OMG, you're so kind and generous!" then realise that was a false alarm, cos it's a fake ring. So if you didn't give them the ring, their thoughts about you might be different.

What I am trying to say is that even if it's free, you can't just give whatever you want to and expect the receiver to see your good intention.

So when they try to say st like "the items are useless", those are not begging, those are feedbacks that imply "You let us down" becos when we received the gifts, it was you to make us hope that it would be useful, not becos we want MORE FREE STUFFs.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 02:59

#97

Darkbrady

You pretty much just

You pretty much just furthered my point, since your only response to "didn't care about it being useful, ignored the intention" was to complain that you don't care about the intention because it's not useful.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 03:01

#98

Psychodestroyer

Ikr?

You don't HAVE to get anything. I'll bet if OOO didn't give these same people the Honour gear, they'd get all butthurt over not having gotten it. "Omg why all these people get stuff I don't get it raegraegraeg."

It's a freaking GIFT. Why would your parents bother buying you TOYS then, you're just going to grow up and get over them.

Seriously, the ethics of some people.

"So what remain is the attitude of the game by giving people stuff that is more annoying, rather than worth being thankful for."

...Do me, yourself, and everyone else a favour and send a support ticket to the GMs asking them to remove the honour gear from your inventory.

Seriously. Ticks me off.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 03:13

#99

Meomap

Point 1: Even if it's a gift,

Point 1: Even if it's a gift, it cannot be anything, even with good intention. You should consider the one you give.

Point 2: If they give some pp but not the other one, that's another matter. It has to deal with the point "why they do not treat pp equally"

Point 3: We are not upset about the USEFULNESS of the gift, but about the way they give it.

You may have your points, but above were my points.

And no matter what you say, I and many other pp still think the gift was a failure.

Thanks.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 03:20

#100

Darkbrady

Point 1: Intention. The

Point 1: Intention. The actual usefulness means nothing when it was a gift given with good intention. That is logic, not opinion. People such as yourself cannot see that logic because greed blinds you.

Point 2: They are treating people equally. Those who earnt better rewards, get better rewards. Giving everyone the same rewards, when the reward is based on accomplishment, is not equal. It'd be like paying football players and useless tv/sports people ridiculous amounts of money, while society essential folk like teachers and doctors get stuck at the bottom...oh wait......

Point 3: Try again, but make sense next time? The way they give it is irrelevant...would you rather it came in a box? Or was hand delivered by GMs?

My points are logic, your points are greed. Sure, I've thrown some opinion in, but the fact remains that almost everyone complaining about this is just being greedy. Feel free to think it was a failure; you're entitled to be wrong :)

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Free Stuff! How about you learn some gratitude instead of begging, hmm?