"CE = Permanent, volatile energy
ME = Limited, regenerative energy"

That's the way I look at it as well.

Although I look at regen time as roughly 2 hours.

I can't get through more than a couple sentences of Forum-Brady's posts without wanting to bang my head against the wall. Does anyone else have this problem?

EDIT: Senshi's too.

I try to keep my local accenting to a minimum on forums, and personally don't much like paragraphless wall of texts in preference of "neat" posts, whether they're lengthy or not. Although I am aware I tend to blether on a wee bit.

Unless you mean my personality/attitude, in which case I cannae really comment on that with any objectivity~

I blether on regularly, so have often been accused of wall of texting. I don't agree with the word choice, but it's the easiest go-to answer when people have a complaint about my posts regarding said blethering.

Eitherhoo; couldn't comment on that either, as my posts are either based highly on logic/fact, (which I feel is something that can't be argued, although often disliked) or based heavily on opinion (which, as above, I can't comment on objectively).

Oh well, not much I can do if I passively annoy you~

*Reads the first few posts*
Well, I kind of agree with your assumption that the Spiral Community is growing more and more....................you know. Fine, I'm not exactly what you can call "mature" (since I just turned 14) but hey, age doesn't always matter. You can be the youngest person in the game but be the most mature....... I've never been kicked by party leaders due to the reasons you listed, but...................Ok, yesterday I joined a party and the leader was a guy named "Drinks" I think. I said "herro" to him just as a friendly greeting, he then asked me if I meant "hello", I said yes. Later on when another guy arrived i said "yello" as another friendly greeting. After typing in "...", Drinks kicked me. Now, I know he might've kicked me because his friends wanted to join or something, but still.
1. If you friends want to join and you don't want other people in the party, lock it. Amazing strategy isn't it? It took me a few weeks to figure that one out
2. How the papaya is saying "herro" and "yello" an excuse to kick someone?
Honestly, I don't know what made him kick me. Was my Sniped Hat annoying him? Does he hate people with a WRH? Does he not like papayas?

Ok, enough of that
"And how could I forget all the people who like to send friend and trade requests to every single last person that is unfortunate enough to pass by."
I actually like people sending friend requests to me =)

"Hey, does anyone here have mist to spare that wouldn't mind tabbing me?"
"I want to save my CE because I'm going to craft something"
The two sides of this argument about weather the guy (or girl) deserved to be kicked are quite "equal". Personally, I HATE wasting my crystal energy on elevators and revives. When I started playing, I would throw at least 400CE into every run I was in, just for revives (lesson learned). And yeah, people want to be able to play as well, AND get that shiny new sword (or gun, or piece of armor, etc).

Then again, he/she should have the patience to wait a bit. Other people need their energy as well!
Still, I think the party leader shouldn't have kicked him/her when he/she only asked once. If they continue ranting on about it then yes, he/she should be told to stop or be kicked...........

I can agree with the OP on how he felt justified to help the person who wanted to conserve his CE. I look at ME the same way, especially because of my elevator pass. Someone there without a pass, has the means and willpower to work for their money, but wants to speed it up a little. He politely asks for if anyone has any spare mist that he could use for the time being, simple as that. For me, sometimes I don't even use my ME for the day, so I personally would be happy to help someone in that situation.

Its sort of like needing heat, sometimes you just want to speed up the process, so you see if others need their heat. It can be the different between getting that 5* items fully leveled up in a run or only partially, depending on the condition of the other players and how willing they are to help.

While I myself am a very endgame player (proud owner of most of the 5* swords/guns currently in game), I don't feel the obligation of showing off my gear upon others or somehow implying that I am better than they are (which, could be the truth, but I don't let it get to me). If the fact that I am a better play does come out, how do I use this knowledge? I help others out, I help them reach their goals, since most of mine have already been reached.

Yeah, the community in general has kinda declined, I get all the above every now and then, random friend requests, trades, and sometimes guild invites (despite being in the guild I am in). Now I'm not anti-social, I just prefer to know the people who I friend, or know what people are trading me (or want), and...perhaps....why someone wants me to move away from my guild and into theirs.

I can sympathize, and if you want another friend to add on, feel free to include me in the list. In game name is the same as my forum name: Ailment, and while I will probably remember your name from the forums, probably would be best to include a message as others have said. I focus a lot on T3 and lockdown, and while I can solo Vanaduke easily, I prefer playing with others, just so that my playing experience is always different.

To give my most honest criticism, a few of the assumptions you have made are just a bit exaggerated, but for the most part I agree.

Some players do fall between "bad" and "good", but you are certainly correct for saying there are a number of players falling suit to the "bad" category. Though I have seldom been kicked, I can relate to being opposed when only trying to be considerate.

I would never openly label someone as "bad", but I cannot help but admit that some people are just so blinded by their own arrogance and ignorance, that it's unbearable!

I'm glad I read this thread. You seem like an intelligent and respectable person, I just hope that many may learn from this and take the time to see themself from the standpoint of others.

Feel free to add me, granted if I havent already
Bomber Diamondshreddie, at your humble service ~

*salute*

@Laraso:
Hey, I never said to not help him; I probably would have as well in your situation. I'm just saying that, based entirely on your forum posts, you're clearly not considering everything.

To break your analogy:

Someone needs a battery. They're asking around for one. You offer them your rechargeable battery at your expense, while you could be using it.
But they have their own rechargeable battery and are just not willing to let it recharge.

The key factor here is not that he needs "energy", as he apparently has enough CE, it's that he needs "mist energy" for his craft. He can craft it if he simply waits. But he's asking someone else to cover that loss for him at their expense, while at no loss to him.
In that particular situation, whether you see it as no loss or not, I see absolutely no reason why he can't just take a time out for a few hours and let his own mist regen for the craft, rather than begging strangers for theirs.
Or, as I've said, why he didn't offer to give you his cr payout for the run in exchange. Mist or not, it doesn't change the fact that he's taking your energy purely because he's too impatient to wait for his own to regen.

It would only have been respectful to offer you something in return. If he was dead out of energy on all fronts and just wanted to play the game, I'd understand/sympathise more, but the boy had energy. He could have paid himself but simply chose begging instead.

To, hopefully, make my point clearer:

If you'd have freely given him your mist energy, he would have done the run and acquired the 9k cr from FSC. He would then, likely, have used that cr to buy more energy.
This is him getting 50ME+100CE (+heat) essentially for free, at your expense. Even if you get that ME back, he had other options but chose to trade your currency for more for him, without offering you any reimbursement for your currency.

Intentional or not, that's pretty heavily taking advantage of your generosity.

I don't think that asking for 10 CE is grounds for harassment. I don't care if it's begging, it still doesn't justify harassment. If that guy didn't want to give him 10 CE he should have just said ''no'' and rolled with it.

So he not only kept his CE but to top it off he was a complete and total jerkwad and somehow this is appreciated in our community?

I'm barely over the limit, but yet I have to complain that most players I meet cannot even spell a simple word properly.
All I see in lockdown is "NOOB" "AA" "AT" "SPAMMER" "COMBO SPAMMER" "GO DIE NOOB" and the occasional smart-arse that calls me "redblAAdes".
I also have to add that all the things I listed above seem like they're being typed by a 7 year old.
All I see in pve runs is "tab me" "so slow" "noob" and random kicking.
*RAGE*
This is why I always keep the friends I added when I first joined on my list. ^.^
Long live mature people.

Please stop trying to make him sound like some sort of shady "con-man".

You're clearly missing my point. I did say (several times, in fact) that I don't oppose helping and that I would too in your position, and that giving him the benefit of the doubt isn't a bad thing.

What I'm saying is that it's incredibly bad ethic to walk into a group of randoms who you've never met and ask for energy to pay your run, that you will profit from, without offering any compensation for whomever is paying.
It is especially bad ethic when this person admits that they can pay themselves but that they just don't want to, which is essentially what he said. He would rather beg strangers to pay his tab than wait a day for his mist to fill so he can craft on his own.

Whether he's conning you or not is irrelevant; his manners and attitude are pretty shocking, and being polite in asking does nothing to change that.

Mist energy isn't worth as much as you're making it seem

Also, that's just plain wrong. Mist energy is worth exactly as much as crystal energy. CE fees don't change if you use mist. Elevators don't cost more or less if you use mist. Just because it returns over time does not change it's inherent value or usefulness.
To give a perfect example; that player is using your mist to collect him a 7k profit when he could use his own CE instead to gain the exact same amount. He could also wait and let his mist regen and gain the same profit. Mist is still energy; it just can't be sold. Somethings value should not be dismissed because it's bound to you, just the same as armour that's locked in your inventory is not worth less than it would be if it was not bound.

Now, I'm not saying he's "taking advantage" of that fact, but people often don't appreciate that fact. He is asking you for energy, which equates to time and, as we all know, time is money.

Oh god, this is all true, I've even had to resort to putting on the stuff I'm heating just to get people to stop asking, and I just ignore the ones who can't spell correctly.
Feel free to add me if you want.

Beggars trying to look nice by "Only asking for 500 cr", Guy who came into my party and immediately asked to be tabbed, (seriously, how the [PAPAYA] does that even make sense? You had enough energy to get down here, but not enough to continue on? Needless to say, I kicked him.) Guys who want my crystal energy, (I barely have 500, why should I give away my hard-earned work?) and the occasional 8-year-old misspelling half the words they type up, raging at every little thing, including how they were kill while typing. (He though someone hacked his game and made him die, he was stupid enough to thing typing made you invincible. I tried to reason, but it was like he was the only person.)

I'm just saying that I've got the same end of the stick as you guys.

I have dealt with a few elitists a while back on my old character, interestingly enough, they were all fur-coats. I was only tier 2 at the time, yet those no-knickers still kicked me for using an unorthodox weapon combination (Charge/Catalyser/Pulsar/Fiery).

I eventually stopped random partying to avoid those people and have been doing it since, even for other MMOs I play. Even then, I still partied with my brother and his friends, but only on some occasions since they are a tier higher than I.

However, I did have a strange encounter on an elevator to Roarmulus. There were two fur-coats, who instead of kicking me, they waited for me to leave the party. I was patient and ultimately never did, and they just left. I don't know whether to interpret this as polite or rude as they could of just kicked me or created another party.

...The immaturity is a rather strange phenomenon, as it seems the more populated a game is, the less mature the community becomes. Puzzle Pirates, Three Ring's older game, have now been reduced to a rather small community since its peak in 2006, and it is nearly devoid of all immature players. I guess it has to do with the market, casualty of games attract the younger as they are "easier" while the more difficult keeps them out for not allowing them to advance. Or perhaps it is community, as a game ages it will lose its community and only the mature continues to occupy it because they genuinely love it.

I say, it is a combination of both, since examples like Puzzle Pirates and Team Fortress Classic retains a small mature community, are old, and are rather difficult to master.

The immaturity has gotten so bad, for me at least, that I've resorted to only playing with a specific group of friends. Our sessions are also very well planned out, as we rarely go to the haven to avoid the usual 3-5 guild invites per 30 minutes, not to mention the countless random friend requests. We used to allow anyone to join the party but when people showed up and started begging for the crowns we earned in arena two floors back (before they were there) or blatantly criticizing our equipment or play-style, we decided it would be best to keep it invite only.

I'm playing a game dear, why I need to be good? Urgh...this was supposed to have fun and not an ''example'' for the game community.

After coming back from a 6 month Hiatus I've seen some extreme differences in the community, much like the OP mentioned. It's pretty sad since it's just so... Well, uncomfortable now? I'm just glad I still have my guild, I rarely go into Haven anymore 'cus I can't tolerate some of the behaviour people exhibit. I just hang in my guildhall unless I need to turn in tokens.

Feel free to add me if you so wish. My guildmates and I are really fun and friendly people, and I'd be happy to do some runs with you if you're interested. If not then either way, I hope things work out for you, and for anyone else having to deal with the brunt of the bad apples like that person you mentioned.

Get ready for even more disappointment, SK is now on Newgrounds.

http://www.memestache.com/Brace+Yourselves//277928?live=1

Err, I don't think replying to a question about handling Mecha-Knights is a good reason for being kicked.

What perplexes me more about invites is that there is no invite ignore option, even Toontown Online had that when I was playing it 8 years ago. And for some odd reason, you can still get Guild invites when you are already inside a Guild, so I find people sending guild invites to the guildfull a rather treacherous thing to do.

Please elaborate on your last paragraph, I don't understand your analogy, and I make weird analogies. EDIT2: Just realised it was about self-importance, but this thread isn't meant to be about that, it was meant to address uncooperative. It seems that our perception on that issue differ.

What I consider the uncooperative are people who exploit for self-gain; beggars, elitists, those people are afraid to work for their gain, and I find that to be sloth. I believe paraders are the elitists, but I am not that, I allow mistakes as long as the mistakers learn from it.

EDIT: I don't understand your perception of honesty, because honestly, I believe the OP is talking about the dishonest.

"Also, random guld invites and trades only faze those with such attitudes."

Um, no? People who receive those on a regular basis due to hanging exactly where everyone else does or people that absolutely hate being contacted for no legitimate reason other than than to send a non-though out request for either online friendship or membership to a club you have neither heard about nor ever have seen the messenger sending you the invite could also hate such advances.

"I daresay, you only got kicked because of your gob and self-perceived sense of skill"

I'm confused, I don't see how that's relevant at all in a mission lobby while there's no action whatsoever to even appear 'leet' at.

"The fact is. You are not your spiral knight, you're not how much crowns you have in the bank. You are not the armor you wear. You're not the weapons in your inventory. You are not your mewkat monster pocket. You are all singing, all dancing scrap metal of cradle."

No, but we are all people, behind that digital interface, and some of us don't appreciate the ethics of certain people online any more than we would outside the internet, myself included.

So being kicked for pointing out a breach in those ethics, even when not directed at yourself, is obviously something to get annoyed at.

"passive-aggressive players that try to offend me with correct spelling, misplaced politeness and pseudo-intelligent statements."

Pseudo-intelligence and misplaced politeness I get, otherwise I'm confused.

I think a lot of dislike for "correct spelling" -- which is probably incorrectly singled out in this case; more likely, the telltale signs are capitalization, usage of punctuation, and usage of sentence structures that require more punctuation -- stems from the fact that some people chat like they speak, while others chat like they write, and when the two styles collide, misunderstandings abound. Many of us fail to realize that we speak and write in entirely different ways. Try reading something aloud that you wrote, or try writing down a recording of something you said; you may be surprised to discover that correct and elegant prose, when read aloud, sounds stiff and convoluted, while writing down lively speech results in run-on sentences, incorrect usage, and a fairly bland sentence structure. Chat is an odd beast in that it's technically a written medium, but it conveys information in close to real time, much like speech. As a result, people approach it from both directions. Personally, I chat like I speak, which means I don't organize my chat lines into fully formed, balanced sentences. This probably stems from my typing speed; I can type nearly as fast as I can speak, and with a few shortcuts (chatspeak) I can align those two speeds, making it a very natural action for myself. I must admit that for the longest time I harbored an irrational dislike of the written chat style, and to some extent it still seems unnatural to me laid out on the screen.