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Lag. Worse over time, or just me?

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Sat, 12/08/2012 - 08:53
Eater-Of-Worlds's picture
Eater-Of-Worlds

So when I first started playing I was using a 2009 Mac Desktop, dual processor, 4 gig memory, good stuff for a 2009 Mac. Any sort of Mac game that i had found ran fine until i stumbled across SK. I had a 4 bar from the start and actually did quite well in the CW(there was no LD at the time), but anytime stuff got overloaded with enemies my frame-rate tanked. This was back in June/July of last year. In Octoberish LD came out and with my derpy vog armor, a DA, and BTB, i went in and found myself to be utterly useless because of the frame-rate issues. Then the Lion operating system came out and I bought it, and like magic almost all the frame-rate issues were fixed. I had barely any problems with this setup for about half a year. Then i started to digress to a 3 bar, which isnt so bad but its annoying at times when you are used to hitting things where they actually are and vise versa when getting hit. I starting asking around why this might be, could be that my internet is just crudy, too many people on the server, or what really caught my attention was that SK was running as a 32bit game. So with help from some ragequitas friends I was able to fix some java stuff and got basically all framerate issues taken care of, and reduced a little latency by finding a way to play through steam, but off of steam. Now i know that a GM had told Bacon-Strip that he should play through the Steam directly because when the game searches for steam and cant find it, it causes hiccups. But lets be honest here, Steam is laggy as balls. So since probably about last June ive been on and off with a 3-4 bar. Since October I've had a solid 3 bar and have only ever seen 4 at about 3am EST. But as of about a week ago, I have dropped to a 2 bar. I have a video here that i recorded. Now since i have had this 2 bar I have not had any frame-rate issues, but instead just huge latency spikes. While in fights in LD everyone will start to move in one direction for about a second, and usually it just looks normal because they have not traveled far enough to make it obvious that they are lagging. So naturally i move to counteract that, only to find the game snap back and find myself getting hit from behind. Even more prominent is the problem of getting hit when boosting away. Usually the farthest a sword can reach is the GF second swing at about 3 blocks er so. Ive been getting hit by brandish from about 6 blocks. And its aggravating to just try and move sometimes. This is the video, note that my quicktime player causes frame-rate issues. If i can find a free recorder for Mac that doesnt lag ill record another fight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx8OZFmkZhI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Now there are multiple times when you can see the range, but the earliest and most obvious is from 2:22 until I die. That life includes the range and a snapback at the death.

I just want to know if others have been getting this lag too, or if its just me. It happened all of the sudden one day for basically no reason. We were doing some GvG and Bacon complained the first game of crazy lag and decided to hop out. The rest of us continued the next match until i got hit with the same crazy lag. I was talking with Rebel-Ex during that game and im sure remembers me running into all the walls and probably swinging at nothing most of the time(even though on my screen it was right on people). Ever since then, I've never gotten my 3bar back. Its been awful and I seriously dont understand why. Every other game on my computer runs fine. I can open 3 things of portal 2 and be fine. I can blow up 3k TnT in Minecraft, stare straight at it, and be basically fine (the sound or graphic of tnt exploding doesnt play but the world starts to just have little chunks taken out until its all over xD) But for SK its been awful and ive been having trouble getting over 10k in GvG matches. And im gonna warn you guys out there, the laggier I get, the more Prolaris im gonna use. :I trust me i don't find it that fun either. So enough of this book writing rant for me, just post here if you think you know whats wrong, or if you have been experiencing some version of this lag too. Thanks and please do try to stay away from the Mac vs PC comments or any sort of GvG rivalries/anything that causes drama.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:01
#1
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
Well er...

I can open 3 things of portal 2 and be fine. I can blow up 3k TnT in Minecraft, stare straight at it, and be basically fine

Minecraft uses your processor more than your vid card and internet connection... and Portal 2 in what resolution? and 3 things of Portal 2? What are those?

Spiral Knights need a balance of your processor, rams, vid card and a good connection. If you have a weak link in either of these 4 component than you will lag. Also SK is a Massive Multipler Online Role Playing Game (MMORPG), you are basically connected 100% of the time to SK server around the world. It is normal you lag once in a while

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:06
#2
Eater-Of-Worlds's picture
Eater-Of-Worlds
Yes but..

How do i go from being fine at a 4 bar to this, and not ever gaining back my 4 bar. Im fairly certain that my computer cant just rot from the inside out. And 3 windows of Portal 2, and what ever the default setting is on Portal 2. Also I only play minecraft on servers now so that is only with internet.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:10
#3
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Zaffy-Laffy
Spiral knights have 2

Spiral knights have 2 servers, one in USA and one in Europe.

Lockdown is played in the USA server, so it might lag for Europe server users.

3 windows of portal 2? You haven't even start to play the game, only to be stuck at the menu, which doesn't really much uses your processors or RAM

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:12
#4
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
Be more specific...

If you play on a server 2 blocks away from you and has a super OP server, it's normal you don't experience lag...

Running 3 times Portal 2 doesn't = good connection

I can run twice SK and do FSC w/o lags. That's a good point to start. I have 20 mbps download on speed-test.net.

What your saying has nothing to do with your connection problem

When you first started the models of the mobs were awful, no accessories were implemented. Guess what? Now you have to load every new aspect they put in... SL, LD, BN, Accessory, Mission, Danger mission, Guild hall, etc. And maybe your MAC isn't good enough? or your connection?

IDK what connection you have nor where you live. I live in Quebec, Canada and we have good connection here. If you live in Australia then don't ask why...

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:14
#5
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Canine-Vladmir
STEAM SUCKS PETUNIAS

We're in the same boat.

They say the problem is on our end yet I don't buy it. Except, your lag is better than my lag :)
I wish I was laggy like you.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:15
#6
Sowy's picture
Sowy
I am kyo and I approve this

I am kyo and I approve this fix lag message especially the no Specs in GvG

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:17
#7
Eater-Of-Worlds's picture
Eater-Of-Worlds
This is my Internet

I live in Ohio, so im fairly close to the server. This is my speed-test to Richmond Virginia, because that is about where the server for SK should be. http://speedtest.net/result/2356458557.png

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:17
#8
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
@ Canine

I'm on Steam... Running twice Steam on the same PC loading twice SK at the same time, running the same FSC and I have little to no lag when my Europeen friend host.

IDk what's the problem but it ain't form Steam. That I can tell you :)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:25
#9
Eater-Of-Worlds's picture
Eater-Of-Worlds
Also

This is my local speed test: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2359585724.png

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:28
#10
Shamanalah's picture
Shamanalah
@ eater-of-worlds

Look at your image... check in the bottom

Grade C, Slower than 51% of US

Look at mine
http://speedtest.net/result/2359584480.png

Grade B, Faster than 67% of Ca (probly for Canada)

Edit: and I'm ~200 miles further away than you

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:28
#11
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Dendios
Beep Boop Welcome to our

Beep Boop

Welcome to our world, what would you like for dinner Sir.Eater ? I recommend an Ultra Pingy Steak with Latence sauce plus Laggi for Desserts, and Oh! I forgot the Telerport Syrup. Enjoy your stay!

Note: Make sure you read all the comments and don't forget to comment with your support. We want a fix !!

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 09:31
#12
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Zaffy-Laffy
Meep Meep Everyone is

Meep Meep

Everyone is complaining on a free game :3

unless you paid for it :P

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 10:17
#13
Burq's picture
Burq
what

@Zaffy-Laffy I've sinked around 50 dollars in the game, guess I can complain to my heart's content, no?

You dont have to be a paying costumer to complain about a very visible problem, heck, I can see people stop playing (and buying stuff for the game) till the lag gets resolved

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 11:11
#14
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
Everything must get worse

Everything must get worse before it gets better.

:)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 11:18
#15
Angerday's picture
Angerday
My connection is liek this

My connection is liek this http://www.speedtest.net/result/2359806298.png and i still get lag in lockdown on a 4 bar. There was that one patch rmember when they said they fixed some lag issues. and then i forget which month it was when they patched something it think it was for the surge promo. but the lag in game increased significantly. also with spectator lag now in games its terrible. how is it that a company that is working with Sega has to buy server space from amazon and cant even afford their own servers?

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 12:02
#16
Shidara's picture
Shidara
So it wasn't just me...

I've been having the same problem with connection recently, and Lockdown has become absolutely unplayable for me. Even the Clockworks is much harder than it normally is simply because it refuses to maintain a stable connection. Just before writing this post I had been playing several Lockdown games with a single, red bar and it was aggravating me to no end. And like icing on the cake my client crashed when <15 points off from winning and I lost all my efforts that game... But that's a different issue entirely.

I can definitely agree that Spiral Knights has become more and more frustrating to play with the prominent lag that's raging, and as a result of this I probably won't be logging on very much from here on until a fix is announced on the forums.

For anyone who cares, here is my connection to the EU server.
(The server chosen was a random guess, but it is in the right country now. I was previously misinformed.)

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 11:39
#17
Eater-Of-Worlds's picture
Eater-Of-Worlds
@ Zaffy

Oh i have put enough money into this game to consider it paid, so in my mind, and hopefully in OOO too, i have a right to complain about the issues i am having so that they may try and fix them in order to keep me as a customer. Also thanks for the other lag page and the notes of other issues.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 11:54
#18
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Icegill
I agree.

Lag has been getting increasingly worse, most significantly this week. I blame the server as I have never lagged like this before. This lag does happen in Clockworks as well as in Lockdown. +1 for a fix.

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 15:01
#19
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Wodanct

The lag has got increasingly worse. Though you know what is funny? I have a 35mb/sec download and 5 mb/sec upload connection living neither close to the SK HQ in Cali or the amazon cloud server they run SK on in South C (I think) and can't even get a 4 bar connection in this game. I used my new PC once in UFSC (i5-3570 core, Nvidia GTX Ti 650 2 gig x16 graphics card, 8 gigs of 1866mhz ram, Windows 7 Pro, and SK is on the Solid State Drive) and this game still has its hiccups. Been playing Saints Row The Third (co-op also) with no lag. Dungeon Defenders no lag. etc

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 20:31
#20
Dendios's picture
Dendios
Just a reminder.

Please go comment here.

Guys this thread will be moved to Technical Issues sooner or later, so please if you are having bad lag although you have good connection, then check the link up there and comment with your support for fix. I am asking for this because we reached 116 comments right now, maybe if it reaches more than that OOO will notice us.

All hope~~~

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 21:04
#21
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Tennis
It's been getting worse over

It's been getting worse over time for me as well.

Back in the first few months of release, I used to play on my cheap $400 laptop, handling FSC with minimal lag. After Lockdown came out, I still used my laptop for Spiral Knights but it was definitely getting laggy. So, I started using the desktop since it ran everything really smooth, but the amount of lag just continually increased with every update. And now here I am on my desktop, getting smacked around by Gran Fausts that reach 3x its physical length. :P

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 21:25
#22
Redblades's picture
Redblades
same

latency spikes
teleports
hax range
random "enderman effects"

Fps lag
screen freeze

Sat, 12/08/2012 - 22:18
#23
Toah's picture
Toah
since we're all posting speed

since we're all posting speed test results...

http://www.speedtest.net/result/2360600161.png

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 00:11
#24
Everblunt's picture
Everblunt
This is somewhat technical

Is anybody else that is experiencing higher than normal latency being routed through telia.net backbone? Try a tracert to 184.73.171.156 and look at the hostnames. (Ignore the timeouts, not all hosts in the route respond to ping). You should see a few hops that look similar to this:

8 33 ms 34 ms 35 ms ash-bb1-link.telia.net [80.239.132.177]
9 107 ms 108 ms 109 ms vadata-ic-157233-ash-bb1.c.telia.net [62.115.9.70]

I suspect there could be a change in the routing tables of some providers or a congested node somewhere.

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